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ministies say that they are doing Gods work. Contrast that with the fact everyone knows how we buy and sell america's goods such as a movie or our electric etc. the utility company does not say "WE live the life style we chose, do what we want when we want and have zero accountability to anyone but our own self and those we chose all because God works in me, so give me money, for your electric. they answer to others and have regulations and MUST follow the norms of society laws etc. STF says This is what God has me write and because im obeying God you OWE me! let me say i need my heat when it is below zero even MORE!!! and maybe the guy who pushes the button downtown to have the electric run through the line is also working for GOD!!!! it is a freaking job. Im not impressed anymore than I am with anyone eles doing what they need to do to help our community and bless another. again it is the elitism taught in twi!! and many churches. what bothers me is they are not accountable. and do not act like all the money goes to write another book, it doesnt they live very well and their families. and you claim they do not get paid??? how about power and control and say so??? it is a payment for many in this old world. again no accountability. that is the problem. how can some not charge for thier materials? because they have people who are in on their mission that feel a part of it and love the mission and purpose enough to FREELY GIVE to that group enough so there is ENOUGH left over to provide for those who can not or who chose not to. why? because Jesus is all about freedom and his words should be free. why cant stf do that? because they do NOT answer to anyone they do not give a rats foot about community or want to be accountable to anyone for thier time or work. it is their CHOICE. God can bless thier stuff and make it happen to be able to provide but they CHOSE not to have a community that is large enough to make it happen!!! hmmm why??? well this post is long enough.

two excellent points were made I would like to address: 1 Paul didnt have as much need as said by trust and obey, the focus of His ministry was his Own service to Jesus Christ. he entered into the work of the Lord not by his own will to be sure, He was confronted by the Lord, because he was killing Gods children in the SERVICE of God, he was very serious trying his best to meet the religous requirement of his day! he stood corrected after Jesus gave him a little chat.... So his life was changed for the Lord, not people who were of a certain group that he spun together or scraped off a failing ministry. God blessed his work for Him, and he didnt do it for the money or come into the situation with a butch of needs ,a wife a ex wife quite a few children , land , a camp a school travelling all of what life can be. HIS LIFE was serving the LORD! that is in contrast to some men who say HERE ARE MY NEEDS , meet them and I will then serve the LORD for you. the cost of writing a book or a tape etc is often covered in churches or ministry by the free will offering of people who attend and SUPPORT that church and/or ministry. yes you do have to have number large enough to DO that..... and at what point does it become a people pleasing ministry to hold onto the support? well it comes down to accountability a larger group of supporters means a larger group of accountability to them. alot more serving alot more answering ? alot more WORK!!!!! CES does not have the large numbers or enough dedicated to give them the amount to "freely share" their teaching and books. they do not have to work other than when they want to. they travel, when they want to, they live where they want to they dam wel do what ever they want to.. how nice for them. how unreal most ministries have to be accountable for the job they do. was Paul?? maybe not but he DID NOT ask for his life style and his needs to be met by people either. does it cost money to publish a book? sure. does it cost time and accountability and hours and/or travel that may not be good for you to have a ministry large enough to have money donated because they appreciate what YOU do? yep. and CES does not have the willingness to do that to please the people enough to be able to give their stuff away. they have their own thing and keep it that way always have. no accountability brings HUGE freedom. they do not serve or do anything that isnt on THEIR time line or wish list. but ministers of these large churches and minstires that provide free stuff do it is also called a job to get done, they sacrafice time family and hold their self accountable to do it. what is right and wrong? i do not know. but the fact CES does not have the amount of support they need to cover the cost of publishing a book speaks very loud, to me it says we do not have enough people we have served or believe in us or our ministry to do that. but we can fund a great many things like graduate school for one of our ministers , travel when WE want for who we want lots of kids divorce court , insurance , of course WE decide how we spend it and spin the accountability to NO one eles!!!! so pay for the book already. the devil doesnt like the truth, it mut be because truth is less appealing than tradition so fewer people will help us.

hello Are you bags123???? I do not know how I could help somone as talented as you, other than being glad I could enjoy your work and writings. congrats bagpipes on publishing your "good works".

upstate New york has the finger lakes , several lakes in a small area. the largest employer in many of these small towns is Medical, hospitals and nursing homes etc... very large employers. Upstate has "snow birds" that go down south for three months and then hold this area as their primary residence. If you like mountain range it is very close to the Aridonaks and the Cat skills. The lakes are wonderful and we have our own napa valleys with famous wine makers. Taxes are very high compared to many states and getting worse since we have the burden of 911 securtiy for the state. It is a border state but we "like" Canada. which is less than an hour away. You do not need a visa if you travel by car into the mainland. like boats??? come here. our Senator is a woman ! lol some might have issues. weather? Well we have winters and a thing called north Easterns that get a thing called "lake effect snow" hello we can get some snow that is serious stuff. But ONLY in certain areas. not much humid days maybe a week or two in late summer. Crime well as anywhere i suppose it depends on how much money you have to live. my town is less than a mile square and we have 8 full time cops. no problems here but i do not go where crime is . I believe all major cities are needy , Im a suburban girl a couple miles from real country living. the land scape here is fantastic anything you want mountains ocean big city small towns lakes all of it. many gradutes MOVE OUT of NY for jobs. large schools for DRS and NURSING anything medical. and many retired folks COME BACK to die here for its beauty and peacefulness. hence the large medical employment. manufactoring is gone out of NY . your car wil be eaten by salt within a couple of years, and we have a very large risk for ANOTHER attack.

being a christian to me means following the Christ our Saviour as LORD. One principle of his teaching is to serve and love one another. to worship and Seek HIM. If one needs an organized religion to learn the bible or to serve , (the bible does encourage that we felowship and be together to worship God) then how does the teachings of the bible change? they do not it is still Christ as LORD. people change they have throughout history wanted kings, wanted men to tell them what to do. it is a type of idol worship that is hard to overcome. it is the LACK of trusting in an invisable God. so as far as behaviour affecting doctrine, in theory it is impossible , as Gods words are truth and able to overcome any issue. but people struggle with TRUTH! and blame either God and HIS truth or other people, who may or may not be speaking the truth. false teachings or sayings are part of what we are to LEARN about, from whom? The teacher Jesus christ and our own holy spirit. God is just not into blame, He really does have it all covered, the problem isnt HIS people being right or wrong on doctrines or prophecys , the problem is people who chose to deny God and follow men.

Is that Jesus? omg how did THAT happen????????? freaky

not funny I think i just died.

WELL THEN So open a web site where in the names and dates of their crimes can be verified and they can be amoung their own ilk. why here? I do not have a pitch fork but i also have zero desire to hear what he thinks or why or understand. they decieve the most innocent in our society to meet their perverted needs , they know it is wrong and they know it is illegal . they are not forth coming or honest. any entertenmain from their opinion is NOT understanding from us it is exploiting at best. and i honestly doubt they are going to give up their dark secrets to a community they well know doesnt accept it as ok.

i feel we never really know a person, just bits and pieces they want to share. the surprise we learn from our family and friends is what life is really. A person can be on this forum for a very long time as one name, and become what they may consider intimate with other posters, "real relationships and friends" then come into the same forum and reveal a fact of their life like this and be very unhappy with the reaction. that would be hurtful but also very very possible. this is an internet forum everything here is fantasy, maybe not you ,the reader, you may cry ,but im me ,Im honest, I am who I am ok that is great, just do not assume it is true of all on these types of PUBLIC forums. i still think people put way to much stock in what is said about anyone on a public domain forum. In our everyday life with people we often become shocked to hear some news about someone we know well(so we thought) in this world of internet it is double or triple fold everything here is just fantasy. maybe your really you, maybe not , this form of communication is not healthy for intimate relationships! now abi meant her beloved in a chat room I get many relationships spin from chat room but they grow into REAL relationship with out the screen of who are you and questions are answered in real time and place. not the same as here on a forum a person is who they want you to think they are truth and real life has little or nothing to do with it if they chose . it is safe it can be dangerous and more than anything it just isnt real. for robin to get so upset Im very sorry, but i am here typing so i must be bored or lonely too... but try to keep the perspective of this is what it is. a public internet forum , fantasy world where in each individual TELLS you who they want to be . me ? Im 5 10 blonde hair that shines like the sun I wear a size two and my hubby treats me like a quenn I have a million dollars...im famous and im very very happy everyday. ok?

I can not see any benifit in engaging this person in conversation. and the whole forgivness christian spin... is what is making me angry. UM why? in the days of when the bible was written a women or man was stoned to death for cheating on their husband or wife with another consenting adult!!!] and you think it is some how Gods will we even try to understand this creep? he would have been dead even speaking such crap. and you know what all this confession is good for the soul stuff is just insane. again why? So he/she can stroke herself with the attention he will not get anywhere eles in life? call it possession call it mental illnes title it anything you like it is what it is to me and that is conversation about an idea i do not need in my life. but i get why these people get away with what they do and how they live because some have a need to understand . a need to be a fool and think they are higher power kind of spiritual person who can overcome all evil with love. the week of easter i think of our Saviour hanging on a tree post so I do not have to battle evil anymore or understand it. as far as boundarys the idea of "jumpers" is one thing yet consider some do not have boundaries in their life for anyone to jump, again a learned idealogy in our culture of tolerance and victimizatiom .

dude your not the victim so stop trying to evoke some understanding or sympathy to "christians. you comminted a crime you will be hated for. and I believe rightfully so. the fact your not dead is the very grace of God. you can speak to your own type of sexual deviant all you want and I really do pray to God no one is reading you and gaining anything to go on forums and feel like a hero because you turned you own self in. the odds are more than one victim is out there and you turned yourself in because you knew she would tell on you or someone eles threatened you to turn you in. do not pat yourself on the back or cry your self esteem isssues to me your a creep and hated by our society for a reason. Dmiller alcoholism is not the same as lusting after children sexualy. many can be hurt by a loved ones addiction it is a issue in life that basicly destroys the individual if allowed to consume. you do not victimize anyone with your problem i get you know shame.. but this guy problem is not a cultural issue it is a behaviour that is sick and ingrained and most probably the reason he wants to come on here and see who will forgive him and "understand" and cosnider his ideal of being a hero.. because he claims to have turned himself in is because in the real world few will buy into the lies and deception theses freaks generate and this is all he has left. did i hurt your feelings? anothen? to freaking bad . no pity or understanding from me.

I give thanks to God for what happened to me and my lovy cats. I had gone to walmart and purchased special kitty a brand that is on the list for all the illness in the recall. it sat on my table for awhile and I mean to tel my very soul told me to go to the special shop and buy dry cat food for awhile. im learning to listen to that gut feeling and i had real problems with it because I do not have the extra money to buy the premium food. but i did and then two weks later the recall and all the problems hit the press althugh it has been known since december of last year. I put them on science diet light one is overweight , i didnt know what to buy this is expensive stuff 10 bucks for three pounds!! it is ten buck for twnety punds of the purina I was buying. the difference is AMAZING!! I cant say enough in just under a mnth now the fur is beautiful, no more stank breath it actualy smells good! fewer poops. and he has caught three mice and is now running around like he used to before he got fat. i have not noticed any weight loss . maybe but nothing big . i measure out 1/4 of a cup twice a day. we have had three bad days with incidents of breaking into the bag and eating till i got home from work tho . they love the taste and they look fantastic no more dry skin no more lose furs no more dry flakes. wow. but i have been unable to find any research on this brand science diet yes but not the Light formula which i bought because it has less calories and less fat so it says. i am feeding him less because it is so expensive i am not seeing any lean muscle still flabby and fluffy. i looked on the web sites you linked and they have nothing on them about science diet dry food "light adult formula" he is a about 12 or 14 years old and i wanted to get him a mature cat fromula but it had more calories. thank you . anyone know how to find out what is best for a fat cat that is old?

I do not get the idea of "all in your head" ok say that is a truth.. so does it make the problems and issues of life and how they are living less real to the person? so what if it is all in your "head" the head is indeed quite an important baody part isnt it? if it is all in your head should it be dismissed?

it seems to me a person would avoid admitting to being sad or depressed because of the shame of being possessed. does that make reality unreal or the person better ?

so your possessed? what is the point? they cant love you anymore? Jesus commands we love one another and he didnt say only if everyone is happy and never ill. is this not disobedience? oh i get maybe you should love from a distance you know fake it in front of their face pretend and accuse behind the back of them being less than who they are to the lord and certainly a lesser disciple of christ. again go to the sermon Jesus spoke at the last supper when they asked who was the greastes he said it is the one who serves the other. kind of mean and sick thinking isnt it? so what they are possessed now what? you have the news what is the next step? kill them hate them or just stay away from them? wwjd?

ya know im sorry this may sound trite but hello many have lived a very nice life style off this system. to work when you wnat to travel when and to where ever YOU want to rest when you feel you need to all of this is a life style few could ever imagine. im not jealous really not because at the end of the day I believe we will answer to what we have done and who we have obeyed. work is important and they do wrok when they want to how they want to and etc... come on now how many can do this in life and support large families and go to school and live in any manner they chose? travel to see friends hold nice parties on the ocean for all of them come on... it is MUCH more than an ego. get a job and try to live as they do. it doesnt happen . when you own a business as well you must answer to the competition or eles. not these guys. this life style is a part of fantsy they want in life and what people support. yes i do think it is a motive.

right it is more than an illusion that the "word is at stake here" it is much more than an illusion.. it is a belief system that has enabled some to operate their life style thus far. we read the newspaper or a magazine everyday and how often do we think the characters in the story is about is REALLY one of us? in some fantasy play out of a world only cult heads live in? im moses your a prophet like debra whatever... but it is INSTILLED in many to live life like this. to believe this is our purpose our being the word and nothing but the word says . so without the suthors dictating who is who the whole thing begins to crumble down into having to think for yourself and to look to What was REALLY at STAKE so much so he died and was raised again to LIFE. Jesus christ. so what is hard about reading the bible and wroshiping God and having a relationship with a LORD? the issue is few do, without these guys telling them how to do it what it really means etc. and whne a person comes along who attempts to not go along with the set program they are dismissed because they have not been instructed how. it isnt about knowledge of the word it is more about ignorance of how to search and find Jesus christ in a personal realtionship that YOU alone own.

so we know they will be in the thid kingdom. so what? I do not get your point. is this one of those pleas fo they are a christian so exempt from being held accountable because they worked for the grace alot more than the rest? please I really do not think so. it is like the dr. who hacks off the wrong leg in surgery and we all say together now now he was a good guy and made several successful operations untill the bad day this happened, heck what is one leg in the big picture of life huh? ask the guy with the wheel chair maybe.

education is not the end all of knowledge, experience counts.. so consider what is their experience? hmmm education brings an accountability and a mix of fellows to play with in other words a person may indeed have a real gift for an area.. and school will help fine tune the ability to present that gift with the awareness of others who also pursue the same calling or gift. these guys are loners it is truly their way or the highway. one factor in this mess is the fact Mark is attending classes and mixing with those who bring new ideas and presentations to the goal of getting a piece of paper that says they now can but also have done what the degree admits. they do not like this.... John S. has his "degree" by the way international and by his years spent doing what he has always done same with John Lynn.. they will not consider new ideas unless it is completely on their bred platform. I have talent but it has to be tempered with the fact we need to work with other people and systems in place that may be wrong and ineffective . no one gradutes from college and goes into a place and says I have all the answers because i went to college. no ya work with what you got. try to enforce change when possible etc. but not these guys again it is their "baby" and compromise and working with others well without the final say so and power just aint gonna happen. I believe they feel quite entitled by now to know all what they know. it isnt real. those who have begun their own business will tell ya , alearning curve about what the competition is and capable of is quite awesome and where in many fail. CES has never considered anything beyond what they considered as right because they began this thing with scrap from twi. people fell into as blind as the leaders saw the "marks" (heheh) and took them. it isnt leading or building anything. a degree says you have done and completed a process of learning the way things are done in a area, these guys do not want this learning because they already have a set plan and process that has worked for them just fine and without one bit f questioning or grade on how. which would you chose if you could?

this is what I do not understand. If it is all about forgivness and being loyal to those "in the house" then why does that NOT apply when we speak the truth of their life? why does it have to be sugar coated? why cant the truth be told? is it possible your afraid forgivness wont be granted? God does forgive. people might not.. hmmm the "special above the rest power" isnt from the people is it? so you say. no but what is? money and the victims of your game. so you can not fight God or hurt him with the power... but people you can. do you need God? or people? when I break it down it seems God is of no use to you but you must have people and to use this fantasy power you need quite a lot from people who will comply with the program. erase Jesus all together much? if the truth is told without your spin, people may not believe what you say or they preach. and you claim then God will not be happy, or is it really the people who will not comply with what the people want. you can not stop God from loving His children but that is the threat YOU use if the truth is revealed about people you worship. Jesus christ knows us, and knows our details in life and will forgive.. what is the problem then? people worship could end. ohno because people meet the needs of people ? and that is who you place your trust and why your AFRAID of the man behind the curtain inside may be shown as the same as the rest as needing a Saviour. not a man , and then they would stop the worship of men and the money and well truth be told the entire lifestyle and system will just fall apart. YOu as a soldiers fighting cant let that happen can you because then YOU would have to worship a invisable God and a spirit that is in the name of jesus christ, and you know better with your special power to TRUST in that truth.

Allow me to break down EP theory of life as he writes it. He has the ability and special powers to do special work for God which then allows him into a special power fantasy spiritual place that no one at GS can go or do. THEN he demands loyalty to those others he decides also has a special above the rest special power . Then the most important part is when the special powers hurt Gods children it is quickly excused and dismissed because God forgives them and it is evil to speak "evil" (I think the word in the real world is truth) of those who he has demaded loyalty. So the theme of "speaking the truth in love" twists and morphs into Speak what my loyal firends want you to speak about them or we will consider it evil. so the truth is in the mouth and mind of how anyone needs to twist it, to cover for all the grief and pain when the theory falls short of blessing anyone and hurts people. that is the reality of a cult. of using words and one another as a battle ax to kill steal and destroy. anyone can twist word to apply how they see fit ! cult people have few other relationships in life other than one another. ex twi and ces folks are very good at it because of the amount of words we know. and the friends we have in a cult . I can do it. I could slap you silly with bible verse and storys of how your wrong. but I do not use the bible as a weapon to cause strife and hurt another. that is your gig. not Gods YOURS. what do you get? a feeling of being so Godly you are almost Jesus christ. that it is evil.

That is why the atitude is so difficult for them to see. I do not think they realize what life is without the power and say so in peoples life. people wanted it people still want it. and it is a feel good thing to think your helping people in the name of God, and powerful when your talking about no holds bar god as they have put in their thinking. a agent for God where does one draw the line? really they do not have to. see in real leadership, at some point along the way up you got slapped bad, and learned what it meant to make an error and realize that IS the growth of leadership.. with these groups it was given to them to use in the name of Jesus and they can and do take advantage of the ignorance in fact that is the very foundation of pfal MY people lack because of ignoranceblah blah class #1 WELL it set up a power play YOUR ignorant from the get go .. and they are not. in real life outside fantsy world of leadership it goes like YOU KNOW something I do not? PROVE IT? see i do not blame anyone it is the system that is corrupt really. and you can not ask past middle age men to change their thinking now why because bottom line is this is what has paid their bread line and bills their entire life.. not to metion their egos.

A second rate jock lololol I think people have to get to a certain age to understand what leadership is. twi claims you have to be thirty to be a adult. I do not know about just because that was what they came up with as Jesus christ age when "his ministry began", Twi talks to people that have for whatever reason been unable to say IM an adult I can chose my own choices and make my own decision. it was often a case of co-denpendency which is and always will be rampant in our culture. CES buys into that very healthy system and life style. bottom line is allow someone eles to do your fixing of your soul and that is what your stuck with and it is never going to be correct or right or even work in many cases. but it is easier than taking responsibility for your own choices and actions. alot eaiser. those who you allow to lead YOU want it for their own needs inside that are lacking and their need is for YOU to fill it up.. you can not hence why it is abuse all around. no one gets "happy" or has their needs fullfilled. i believe that is why the Lord says to have great courage it is NOT about fighting another person or a nation or a cold it is fighting the core of who we are and make choices that are good for us. the line of those willing to tell me how to run my life is so darn long.. but those willing to hear my own plans and dreams and think I can succeed is very small. God is on the human side He wants us all to succeed. I have to go to work I kind of lost my point but it has to do with the scholorships you speak of.

Well then I remeber feeling ike i wanted to go back and i did ten years after i had left, I am glad i did , that is when i learned how to close the door on how i had been trained to think. good luck to ya post your experience good or bad i am really interested in your destiny.

I do think safe gaurds are in place at all. they had one of the PP practice session at a fellowship I went to. I left when they began .. but after wards I spoke to the guy who owned the home and ran the fellowship, he was angry and looked beatedn down. He said so and so is not a prophet. this other guy was his friend and not from the way background well what happened was his friend did a prophecy on this guy that he didnt like ! it hurt him and he did not agree with what was said at all. so he dismissed the words from God. why couldnt this work for a PP you liked? oh that sounds good so listen to it.. oh that sounds bad for me so lets practice some more your not right yet! oh come n. I do not want to think God needs practice to tell his people anything. it is all about what people want to hear, and who is who UNTILL it goes bad like in the case of KG and the spiders. uh oh . no safe gaurds and quite dangerous because the pressure to perform is there just like it was in the clas to sit.