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and you say "trust me i can think ofa way of spinning words about book so well it must be right" just never mind so can every other person who has read it and think they are right, IM the one who is right. God is a spirit always has been always will be, to have problems with the fact He says our life is to be spiritual as well even tho we also have flesh speaks volumes on just what YOU think of God. All flesh can do is plead for the grace and mercy of God. except you of course you can teach him your bible spin .

off topic honestly Mr. Ham that picture of the giant mouse is beginning to look like he is talking straight to me! look at it! see? scary isnt it? carry on

geez now im sad. thx

if it is a problem being off topic then do not answer me and i also apologize, but im courious as to why you think that many woould "fall away" from twi after he died? true enough it did happen that way.. but why do you think it did?

When i look at (gee I said look instead of read did you wet ypurself?) it says he taught the things concerning himself. he told the guys about what was concerning HIM. Jesus later tells them he is going to send a comforter to explain everything to them a holy spirit that will guide them. the "new testiment was even written yet . yet Peter and Paul and all them spoke words to people that got thousand filled with this holy spirit. but I have to go now I feel angry and upset and this isnt good for me. you love to hurt people you like to be full of contention and you will win , for now. Jesus will be with us in the kingdom continuing to teach us in the flesh we will have no doubts or questions by the time the end of sin happens and I am utterly thank ful for that knowledge. in the mean time have fun this is to painful for me to continue, i do not enjoy it i even want to call you nasty names back now i have to go. carry on. oh just to let you know I have no idea if your a man or a woman , you use words as if your a b*tch of some sort tho.

the 'devil" isnt people johniam. and how do I know what Daniel was doing it is written exactly what he was doing with the lions he was singing songs of praise read it . never thought of that when you have it on tape from some other fool who wants the power to tell people how they should or shouldnt think about God. your a bible bully twi made them plenty you consider it a good fight when you hurt people. what is your motive it certainly isnt to lead anyone to know Jesus as Lord. you want worship and when you do not get it your nasty and mean and do or say anything to destroy another. yeah keep it up I cant stop you IM just blessed I know who can and will some day. you have already lost and you can spend your days trying to kill steal and destroy anyone who disagrees with you it is your choice. I chose to love people and serve people and do the best I can to be kind with my days. see you at the bema rock star.

When I was marked and avoided by a clergy it was over the phone I was not to interact or speak to believers in any way shape or fashion and i was not allowed to go to fellowship. and I cried and cried and I thought I really thought life was over and God didnt love me anymore. maybe some of my rants here has to do with the angry feeling of not being good enough then to have love from other people who loved God. it hurt so bad words can not describe it . i thought they loved me. i built my life around the whole idea. Jesus is the one who picked me up oout of that sad time. HIM alone loved me enough to heal my broken heart. why because He simply loved me. i was desperate for love and frankly i still am but i met people who didnt say one word of the bible and they thought i was a good person , they thought I was worth a hello and a how are you. I never would have survived that time in my life. i will be forever grateful to those who cared about me just because they cared. so I got some baggage and christians are at times frightening to me with their slapping and hitting words. I came in with this mess and may struggle the rest of my life with it. but all I know is i lived through the worst time in my life because somone loved me, and the bible was never not once metioned thank you God. for love to always prevail.

well it isnt just unbelievers they chose to attack, they bite at me too and I confess Jesus as LORD bramble. I know I have derailed this thread a number of times IM sorry. I do not know on how stay on topic with idiots responding in lies and twisted answers, I will leave if you need me to and ya know I have been giving spit for psat along the line here , maybe that is wrong and not needed , I will be accountable for it tho! trust me I gotta have some fun my life is in a stinking mess i do not want to think about AGAIN> invisable people are better for me right now. but i will leave gladly and say IM sorry for the derails .

some make can be tatooed such as eye liner that is permanent or a cheek and lip color. some of the movie stars have them. but I hope not my johnny dep in his pirate outfit that is natural im sure .

I agree the fact we are human is not a bad thing in His love affair with us. we are all well aware of the mistakes we make plenty remind us everyday if not. if we could be perfect why would we need a God?

i have to note the contrast here: you say "just by speaking the word people would flock to us" and on the other coin we have johnima telling us he has "someone actively sabbotaging him" because he speaks the same "words" Can anyone eles see this? hahahahahahahahahlololol omg both are the truth as people think ! hahaha lololol geez your right only in this forum. no one flocked to you eh when you sit in judgement? what a shock and THEN because you judged and spoke unloving to another in the name of god you get your butt kicked by the enemy. how much does that class cost again? uh not so attractive lololol

your paranoid, you really think you have somone activly trying to sabotage you? where is your God now? Either you smoke way to much pot or you have a cult mind . I didnt hear Daniel whine about the smell of the lions breath when he had to spend the night in a hole with them licking their lips , nope he was happy as a clam in fact he was singing praises to God. your such a victim for God it would frighten anyone out of even considering trusting in a higher power of any sort. who would want to know life is the worse for trusting in Jesus christ? youmake no sense and I believe Jesus was risen from the dead!!! lol what did jesus talk to these men about? chapter and verse? no HIS LIFE HIS OWN LIFE and how it went and what it meant to HIM knowing God as a father. that is a witness. see I can read a great novel and tell a story and be really excited becaue it is entertainment or a tv show and people like to hear it . like tv shows we talk about them all the time and that is how you present your life as a christian, no thing personl nothing loving nothing moving inside the soul that makes another think about God, just entrtainment. the devil is happy with that idea it gets zero deliverence for anyone . it takes the focus off the spirit and on to men.

when the bible is used to abuse another, to cause strife ,to prove your right to puff you up without loving another it is not Gods will. You use the bible to hurt people to fill your ego to be right. Jesus died everyone saw it, and He was alive again that is what the diciples SAW and witnessed that is what was amazing to them. and they still had so much fear they were hiding for fear of the same thing happening to them as happened to HIM after years of walking and hearing His sermons and being taught by the great Master. I will say anyone I saw die a horrid death, and be buried that shows up at my door a few days later will get my attention! He had been teaching them for a lng long time and yet they sat in that upper room in fear of dying a horrible death their self and doubting eveything He ever said to them. do not use Jesus as your bargan of who you are or what you do or what you say Johniam . You have little or nothing to do with what He accomplished or testified . your not Jesus christ JOHNiam not even close. and you can stop pretending to play him in yur fantasy show any time now. it is the holy spirit who guides us into all truth, not your abusive nasty game of who is who on what a verse or shapter would mean or not. for millions of years people did not have the ability to read, to even have a book , everthing was dictated by the KING or ruler of the land. no school to learn how to read was available ,very few had the ability to read or write, do you suggest all those millions of souls are jsut dead now and took a litle vaction from Gods plan for mankind? even today in many lands to own a bible is to grant certain death, so God just ignores them because they can not read what you claim is the key to salvation? you really have no spiritual base for all your ranting your like a trained computer who spews out bible for you own gain and jsutification of being right. and then you spin it and twist it to meet what you want it to say or hurt another . you have no love for people you do not appreciate the grace of God. You can sell your oil all you like but does it bring anyone closer to God? does your life impacts others so they would want to know the LORD? no In fact many would see you as a bully and a know it all with any bit of care or concern for them, but you feel self righteouss in all the strife and vain glory and that is all that matters to you it appears. love is what works, not your works, satan clearly knows God and the bible better than any man or woman Yet He is considered an arch enemy of the Father.

Jesus says it is the reason we have HOLY Spirit to guide us and teach us truth. Again your condition of bible verses to enter the kingdom or to know truth is a flat out lie. Jesus says He is the truth , the ability to read a book has NOTHING to do with accepting HIM as lord or not. your insane and make up stuff as you go .

funny when bible verses are used to prove your statement as false you just gloss over that pretend it didnt happen. did ya see the romans verse about your contention that unbelievers have "no one to trip them up"? of course not . and on and on it goes when one worships the bible as an idol to be placed above what Jesus Commands . We all know the verse study and show yourself apporved before God a workman ... blah blah and you think making a book an idol above loving what God loves namely, His creation? your a fool and slap Jesus in the face every time you write. it is christians like you that make me want to see the bema in full glory, as Jesus sits on His throne and says geez you know alot of bible verses but not me or my Fathers will. it is christians like you who make other never want to know Jesus as LORD, your testimony stinks of self righteous works much like the religous leaders that had Jesus arrested.

oh johniam it is YOU that has this special power hmm? again with the granted super power what color is your cape today? how very trite and I thought it was a gift from God freely given by the very Blood of Christ. for the service of one another in LOVE to praise God in His Glory. but if you insist it is because you deserve it well then how could anyone possibly compete? not even the only begotten Son. another wanna be Jesus Christ in the making are you? working the deeds He did on your way to the kingdom? how silly of me to know the job was complete in HIM. and every single thing you do today is by God's utter grace. just because it is the truth I wouldnt want to shatter your list of who did what when and how and the check marks of earning your way into eternal life. yeah good luck with that. In the mean time the RISEN Saviour of all mankind, laughs at your pompous foot knowing full well who wears the crown made only for HIM. and still loves you. hey now maybe that is the difference betwen arrogance and agape ya think?

I was born and raised in the baptist church. We never believed that Jesus Christ was God. When i started with pfal that was news to me that people even thought Jesus could be God. We always considered HIM the Son. it was not his gimmick it was NOT a new idea by far. I know lots of churches that do not believe Jesus is God. even 25 years ago. I had a buddy who was catholic , who i got involved, now HE was thrilled just thrilled at this stuff of jesus not being God. we had alot of talks first about how it was wrong then in a ironic twist how come it was right! he is still in. fur didnt fly with this teaching for all christians ,just those who had issue with it. and it was only a tiny little cult in ohio not a main stay religous event . good God, lol . the gimmick that attracted folks was rebellion , that was His calling card that attracted those unhappy with what they had been taught by the authority of the day. and we were all young and indeed stupid about much in life rebellion was a good thing in the day! then ya grow up and realize your just a mass of baby boomers that had their thing like every other generation, i remeber drugs was the other rebellion of the day. the gimmick was not his theory about who Jesus is or isnt it was to get together a mass of folks willing to state they were right and EVERYONE eles was wrong. such is stupid youth . he knew what he was doing.

I think Jesus weeps at the choices people make in life. I never believed God was a group thing. The body of christ yes a group thing but I do not worship people. it is sad, and the cost is so very great. here and now and when we meet the maker some day to explain what was a priority to us. I do not understand staying in anything out of fear tho, why would you need a God then if you can not take a risk?

I consider myself a christian and I see a lines in the bible all the time in fact that is what it is a book about this or that manner of life. Jesus draws a line when He says to be able to live for eternity with HIM and God you have to believe He did what He did at the resurrection. If you do not trust HIM enough to think God called HIM a SAviour do as you may. boundaries are NOT about the other guy and what they do and or do not do. No one has control or power over another, without manipulation and or abuse. healthy boundaries are about what YOU can or can not do. I think Jesus excelled at teaching us that very fact.

Johniam You say "non Christians have no spiritual adversary trying to trip them up" ya know take a look at. Rom 2:9 there will be tribulatin and distress for every human being who does evil. Using the bible is just dangerous unless your absolutly positive you know of what you think and it is impossible to know God through that source only because "the world can not contain the books that would have to be written about even what happened in the time of Jesus on earth"! the bible says so in the book of Rev. do not play a victim for God to me . Evil is evil and LOVE is LOVE. period. end of discussion to put all these conditions and agenda's and complications on that TRUTH is called religous spin and that has caused more pain damage and death throughout history than all the what you call "unbelievers" put together. Christians need God. Those who not seek a God do not need HIM. ( the story isnt all done as the bible states) and that is where we are at as a people who follow the manner of Jesus christ. God does not love christians more, how very evil of you to imply such a Statement. His will is all be saved from death. but not all will chose that. the creations of God ALL of the creations of God are "good", how in hell some of you take this arrogant attitude and that is EXACTLY what it is and begin to draw line of who is who in God thinking who is LOVE is just freaking rdiciulas. it is about YOUR ego. it is about being better having something "they" do not. we do not have something unbelievers do not have , they can have it , God loves them, sorry if that disturbs your self righteousness. At the return Jesus will be KING to ALL but not every person will even then accept HIM as the SAVIOUR. Of course having Jesus as KING may influence some and the christians and the jews will adore HIM so some will convert and accept His position in Gods plan. not all ! some will be born and live and not chose the bible story and will live with us in paradise. in a world withut the issue of sin, does that sound like God doesnt like the unbeliever to YOU? Jesus again will ask or keep on aksing do you believe I defeated Death and God raised me to life ? and those who say uh NO ! Can play with Satan when he rolls out of the chain and we will all know then who will win! (hint I think it is Jesus Christ and us) God loves people . hello it is up to us to decide our life or death. not until the throne is given back to God and death is destroyed will eternal life begin and seeing as DEATH is destroyed we do not have the problem of it. Gods plan is done!! untill then the unbeliever and those not so much unbelievers will be together living with both Jesus Christ and God and I happen to believe their will is one of love and life.

At my work all tatooes male or female need to be covered. I work in the human service field . Some tatoos can be offensive (not your flower tho) so it across the board policy, so to avoid discrimination or bias. I wouldnt call this policy uncommon in the public areana or "service" customer or other wise . Long sleeves and band aids by resturant personal is a sign of this policy in effect. of course more conservative jobs only would require it. I think they are pretty or can be and i also recognize some gangs use them to identify one another.

I say one thing if ya did survive the titanic you had to think long and hard before ever going on another ship altogether eh?

I love that passage. Look at tone, it teaches us about Jesus thinks. She was mouthy to the Lord! he didnt take offense in fact it was a real blessing to HIM to hear a woman speak truth! She was far from intimidated because he had those disciples complaining, she was a strong lady to say "yeah well (maybe so) BUT Jesus the thing is even the dogs eat from their Masters table! she was saying so what "If your really a Saviour YOU CAN DO IT! it impressed Jesus very very much he liked her attitude even after he called her a dog!! lolol what a Guy he was honest and called it like it was in how people think. But knew God so well as a LOVER of us all. where as the disciples fell into we shouldnt because she doesnt deserve it and besides she isnt one of us and she has a very big mouth and shows no respect to us because we stand with the Saviour. Jesus says it is all about the faith HE CAN do it, so He did and does and that is Why He is my friend. I like her too Jesus .

Well I do not believe idea's I do not think are true. education and knowledge are not the same thing. I am no longer searching for myself tho, so an exit ramp isnt needed . I go where I please whenever I please I am not stuck in a trap, im free to believe in the truth I know and what good would that be if I didnt believe it? it wouldnt be my truth it would be an idea, i know the difference . I have plenty of ideas in life, I know my own truth in life. Does it change? not really, it grows. again I see a difference.

mr rodent ham what good is a belief if yu do not believe it?