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You can count me in the prayer to not say anything worse too. im in the middle of a battle myself. not my kids tho thank God. as far as her personal life it really isnt any of your business, unless you feel compelled to get authorities involved and take custody of the boy . that probably would make for some hard feelings all around that would not help the kid much. if i ever get any money i will give it to my grands. no lick with that yet but god is still on the throne. at this point maybe life freaking insurance.

Catcup who wrote this? If not you then do you have any reference or acknowledgment? What method was used to arrive at your conclusions? what training and education have you attained specifically? I read that you are busy and do not want to respond to this thread, yet i feel accurate information and documentation about your credentials would be helpful for the readers to validate your post. it could be your a intern at a rape crises center or a volunteer , you could be many things, please take a moment to acknowledge your skill set so we can all be on the same page regarding your expertise in this area. thank you

i am not sure why they put this in doctrinal, it is not as popular down here. it is fine , jeaniam , not so bad down here . my threads which can be counted one maybe two fingers are limited anyways. love pond . deciet and trickery is a strong word there Jeaniam, Jesus love the sinners, our culture has changed today a man and woman having sex without a marriage license is NOT worthy of killing them . God says to work and provide for your family can you weigh that in with the fact of rabid corporate greed and corruption today? it really has gotten to a point if you cant beat them join them. and the deciet and trickery are very wide spread. so no compromise, if you go to medical school you will learn the odds of a person dying or getting worse during an illness, God wishes us all health. it is a contradiction isnt it? a trick from the devil is what they will tell you in church you can be healed, as a Dr. you must tell your patient well you should prepare for your death or to never walk again it is imminent. and MOST of the time the dr. is right. no well i know a guy who lived through when the dr. said storys please. believe all you want the dr. job is to get you to point b of living without your legs etc.

All I see is evidence on the internet. from people that do not use their names. about a person decades dead, that can not sue you or defend the accusations. wh0 is to say who is telling the truth? well the only way is to verify the facts. which cant be done. I can tell you i am 5'10 and slender with good boobs. you might believe me esp. if i had made friendships with you. but if you could see me now ! im surprised catcup is geting so upset when i read of her warning about the internet on this site to not believe everything written here . does that mean im calling those who are telling their story liars? no not to me . this is an internet forum on a public forum . the fact vpw was never charged with any crimes while alive is also a facotr , yes i know WHY you say that never happened but it is a fact to consider. emotions run high , and guessing will work for some. but I had a supreme court judge say something to me many many years ago as i complained about the fact this person could again take me to court and accuse me again and i have to waste years of my life and money proving it was not true. he said "they can say what they like , but in my court room they have to prove it." you have your proof because of the testimonys you hear and your relationship with those saying the storys. that is enough for you to convict. ok then . but not everyone has that same standard of proof, and to talk about IF it went to court again is just foolish the man was never even arrested for a crime . why ?is up to those who chose not to do it at the time.. they tell the forum why and since they are the only ones who are still alive by a long shot i do suggest they are they only ones who can appreciate support or empathy or consel about their life. it seems no more wasteful than defending a long dead man. it is funny to me that the focus is so strong on each "side" and the bottom line is neither "side" can do a darn thing about changing how this is done,and yet somehow it is the more noble and saintly mission they feel the push from to tell all. to warn others about a dead man capacity to do sexual harm is not going to dig him up from the grave and punish him . to state one does not believe the testimony and prove it etc and go at it from that angle doesnt stop the testimony. so as far as i read the guts of this discussion is about pride in each person , with a mission , to hurt one another, maybe with the facts about the sexual abuse being said on this forum another person wont be harmed by VPW ( he is dead) so it must be the goal of wanting people think less of his research or books or class. those who do not believe the testimony defend a dead man , and a work they have enjoyed teaching in their life. Vpw is not getting hurt. the work you enjoy and appreciate can still be enjoyed and appreciate without this fight. so whay do you continue ? i do think it has a much bigger source on both sides.

or she doesnt want to submit information about other houshold membersand their finanacial resource which would be included in the application. you may not really know why. I can tell you in this county in NY they DO NOT cover teeth. unless it is very serious problem, surgery etc. two counties over they do. it depends on the county budget etc.. polictics. a birth defect determined by the dr. would allow medicaid to pay for him regardless of the incom of the parents. we have a clinic for reduced charges but the wait is months between appt. and it is students so the detist changes evey year. then you have to start over. a trump card? for what to get your son involved in another relationship with her that involves more than what they have now? no authority can force medical care, they would have to take over his gaurdianship , and that here is not done lightly, frankly the state does not have enough workers to make sure a parent does what the state decides is best . NY is liberal in this area . It may or may not be considered an issue.

it may be a medical problem. a birth defect. medicaid would be granted if that is the case. but i will tell you no state cps worker will encourage or help anyone go on welfare roles. it is a conflict of interest if the parents ssys they do not want assistance, so they would have to go to court and prove the child is at risk and take custody of his care. not necessarily living in foster car it could be just his medical care while custodial parent recieves conseling. this is very diffiult to prove, and if they do you also could get tangled in a battle or his care. if the states takes responsibility for his care YOU will have no say so as well, but they may grant some vistitation. i do not balme her for not wanting to sign up for assistance to let you know my kids went to the dentist twice a year for cleaning even the baby teeth.. what happens to them could effect the adult teeth. the adult teeth are already in his mouth formed since her pregancy and they could be getting damage as well from his baby teeth. i would look into some help for him . why is he getting so many cavities?

God can . Yet people can not.

omg thank you. it means alot to me somone would write back. yes even the idea's can hold you back from growing as an individual, idea spun from bible verses out of control , framkly not right. how many times do we stop a relationship or a conversation because we just know that person has a sin in life, and we say well God thinks that is wrong(and it might be wrong) so i wont bother to speak to her/him about it. or they are catholics and God says Jesus isnt God many examples . when God may have sent them for another purpose for me to get blessed pr them to get blessed. the idea is God is USED to stop you from doing the right thing.

some want the others to "move on" and not be a victim. yet here they are in the same web site , living in the same "past" but with different colored horse. still just as serious about getting their own message said. it is the same camp folks, but different focus of what is important to you. johnny i know pfal is important to you and your serious, just as those who speak of the sex stuff feel it is important.. same things different plots. but consider it is an EX way site. and the victim thing isnt wrong johnny it isnt wrong to admit your hurt. it doesnt mean life is damaged beyond any reasonable happiness. you learned in the way any sort of hurt or sickness or depression or wrong was from the devil. could be . but the people who had the experience in their life were are not the devil. they are God beloved. Jesus was a victim of murder. is that not an example of love ? he didnt wake up that morning and say geez this will be a good day he had alot of pain and turmoil knowing He would suffer and die. and his brothers slept and didnt have a clue how to help him even when He asked them to pray they wouldnt sleep was better. would you consider Jesus christ a victim? he suffered and told a great many tales of woe and misery betrayal all of it. some of this thread shows how this site gets to personal one on on in fighting, which is what happened in twi. i love that mouse picture he looks so warm and cuddly . and it fits your writings Mr. Hammeroni.

it is clear to me why twi fell apart after reading this thread.

Well Mark i never had so much money to be a corporate gal. and i do not believe loving people stops just because they happen to work in a group that is having serious problems . The fact we all worship God and love the lord Jesus makes it even more so for me.

such a smart mouse rodent thing you are. i agree . if you really process the fact others could have been hurt you may have to remember your own or possibly admit hurting another . that hurts . so focus on the pfal class and the academics it taught. not loving really.

another victim! im honest . yet you accuse l calling people liars so why would you believe anything said here anyway? it isnt group think decid it is just not what you think. and you got the problem with that .

johhny im in a little bit of pain about having my thread being put in doctrinal , but i cope maybe the powers that be know better or something. can i be a princess? wait ! stop! im confused who is the victim in misery again?

well since we are talking about it and this is an active thread, i began a thread and it got thrown down to doctrinal. it isnt that bad, lindyhopper helped clarify some things, i invite anyone interested to go write on that .

it is important to them that people realize both sides of twi johnny. maybe your down home feelings about this web site allows you to dismiss how important it is to them because it isnt your pain or you mission to accomplish. so it easy for you to "move on" the idea of forgivness and moving on in life is a very personal one and what may work for you with your angry feelings may not work for them. ok?

yep waysider unless it is a power play about who has the fastest bullet from the bible. often times used to hurt another not help, who is keeping tab? Jesus knows us so well and calls us friends it isnt because we are smarter than the next guy it is because He is more loving than all of us put together

The body of christ was good till they messed it up with different color name tag and who is who and that whole only in the household thing. im trying to get along here cant do it no how

I do not think it is even possible. oh they try . but when and where is it EVER proven to be accurate without the guy saying something different? i think our holy spirit has a great deal of accurate account for each person who choses to make Jesus christ LORD.

make no mistake . it is my understanding that johhny is upset because he can not enjoy a post without the storys of these girls being brought up. he has issue with this being and EX way site i guess. and inmho White dove lives in a very conservative place of right and wrong and get rid of those who do not get it. well maybe not get rid of but discussion isnt logical unless it has all the t and x crossed, and i do think he is right most often as i have said it is ironic these claims come up decades after vpw died and he never once was charged when alive. he does help keep the story straight very much. and he is polite never rude . i accept we will never really know the truth on this arena . a public internet with cult people . i think feelings go strongly here and a good discussion is had by all. as far as comparing bible characters to leaders in twi... that is to much for me , i also do not think christians are mini Jesus as twi taught. christ in you the hope of glory got way out of hand for people and their ego's.

some warning about training in medical transcription,seriously. This is a problem area. before you begin any training look at the places you would like to work, ask them what they specifiably need regarding transcription. then check with the "program " you look into and see if it matches. this is a serious problem here we have many schools not accredited offering "programs" to train in the computer field and folks pay good money for them to find out upon graduation the actual skill and terminology needed to work in the field was not taught in the class. some of these "training programs" offer out of date technology and lack the accreditation to move you forward in the work force . talk to the employers to see what they need to hire you. do not go by the stats of the training program that say 99% of our gradutes got a job, doing what exactly hmm in the field doing the work ? um often times not . it is misleading . certification means you passed a state test, it does not mean you have the skills employers are looking for . do research find out what the employer want in your area before you put the time money and effort into it.

bitter hate could be another

God is still "cranky" (love that word ) in my life. so pick and choose folks pick and choose this verse fits here and that one over there come one and all pick and choose. rally call of those who use bible verses as bullets . on a good day you must remind those we are held accoutable but if he/she is a good joe a soldier you love pick that other verse about it doesnt really matter put it in the past your still born again and going to heaven and He loves ya. pick and choose pick and choose bible verse for any sin or occasion here !

yes i think this web site is used as a crutch . anything can. to fat to go on the hike munch munch. but im talking about God as a crutch not grease spot . then you fell???? ok we like one another groups are good, social is good. and so have you ever used or saw God as a crutch ? love pond

I think they end up like this because some people want others to know about what they think went wrong. this is a site where issues with the way international is the main stay isnt it? i might be wrong but grease spot is a word to describe those not in really happy standing isnt it? what i wonder is why some keep trying to bring the positive to light on this web site, i love you doreen where ever you are! you too white dove .