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I agree with mark and the ice on the sign. One cannot put integrity back into anything. Because as Pawtucket said it is subjective, and then posters take issue . The position here are solid and serious, and just like when you were in twi, any other views must be an attack, you become blind to how the "others" may understand it. the others (anyone outside those who belong) wouldnt know anyway they are not of the wow or corp or been abused. they must be dismised as lesser than. such is your world. it is a very small world here , it seems to me many just fell off the twi planet onto greaspot and stuck in long enough to set up just as they please . Pawtucket can do little now about it, those who care and love this place are stuck here and cant see a way out of their thinking all hell will ice over before they will consider another perspective. those who look in just see twi mind set with a different focus. Society has rules and manner of speak and accoutability to one another we have checks and balances. Groups can form their own rules to be sure and believe as and who they wish, yet when they go outside the borders of Society at large they are considered a sect and dismissed without credit altogether. Maybe some believe I want it to change, I do not, it is what it is, just like twi was and is. I just thought it could have been more, because some information on this site is valuable .

hi bumpy. lasted? in the way corps I think by now if it would take you would be married to Rosie! she likes cats. ex has a very cute picture of you on your birthday aaaawww

maybe you wouldnt but some people would ? why ? many reasons waysider hate is always a motive that generates words with out integrity imo. but that isnt the part that bother me or the type of accounts that I think discredit GS. it is statesment: like the leaders in twi raped woman. a very sensational statement yet where are the fifty people, or the arrest records ? what ya got is a poster on the internet that says it is so so it most be truth. and it gets heated because some know one another and play on this forum and believe in one another and so it is assumed personal. it isnt . lcm was never charged with a crime nor was vpw yet by the standard here they have been convicted . ok for the people here in the mix believing every word yall say to one another. in the other world, the world without cult co-authorship and kin folk on-line it really just comes out as gossip and slander. ESP. since the facts of LCM case can be viewed for what it is in truth by all! At the end of the day GS power players will win one another over and discredit any good this entire web site has done really. that is why I feel so strongly about this issue. but not enough to have the type of personalities on this board attack me for it , and dare i say I really doubt Im alone on this. Waysider you told me in another post that GS helped you put the pieces of a puzzle together about facts you didnt know concerning twi. that information is still here and available. I would like to see that happen for other folks but Im afraid this site is losing alot of integrity by "frabricating' as you call it. people lie waysider people from twi lied plenty, and anyone coming here is going to see more of the same finger pointing without any base of proof and just dismisss it as much of the same. and some of the stuff on this site is helpful and will also be discounted as the same as a ranting woman and a rather persistant bird.

happu birthday bumpy

alot of things in life are only as real as we want them to be bumpy. I think my kids really love me until I say they cant loan them anymore money, then it become REALLY ugly and the love is difficult to recognize. I thought twi had all the real answers once and I was REALLY wrong in pretty quick order. life is what it is bumpy and reality is not all about your understanding of what is going on on any given monent. people change situation change and the real becomes unreal all the time. If this is "real" for people then it is who is to say different? those with a bible in their rise up and say God says this isnt real or right... those with a gun say it as well. Much of life and living we have no clue until something eles happens to make it clear . I enjoy GS I think the posters here are real in the context of what they present themselves, posters on a public internet board. I tell ya alot of being are not real in everyday life who knew that guy would be the one to do that awful crime in real life he was a good neighbor and a family man. I work with a guy who dresses up as a girl at night to date men but at work he is just a real handsome guy. they were married 25 years and she left him for a much younger man . alot of life isnt what it appears . what is bad for one isnt for another so people bloom where they are planted for the most part. how one communicate or even forms a community is up to them isnt it? for me it is a spiritual journey that involves a Lord and a thought process that belongs to me , i understand my emotions or reality better than the next guy understands my feelings and thoughts and the Lord most of all so that is how i form a community. i can no longer take people places or things just at surface level. to many hard lessons on changing what I thought was real and really wasnt.

yeah squirrel worn out. I mean in the real world they do not get how very tiring this trip has been and maybe why the fuse is just a tad shorter than it should be for a nice christian girl. I doubt any would believe me if I tried to explain my life/ but some on GS already know. that is my reality . where eles can I say I accept the Jesus as Lord in my life and in the same breath ask for the love of God please no bible verses or Im leaving? hahah sad but true.

and those who think they do have the one and only doctrine sound the most full of elitism.

Can you pull them up from the soap box?

sometimes you or another poster goes and gets a thread that is in the archive so a thread never rally dies., i think some of these threads could have had more to say IF it had not all gone sour in personal ways. then they end up in the soap box which is kinda sad cause only those who are heated into it really go down there and guest are not allowed.

your right I do not even think I would need to do that. it was a difficult call for me because of what the actual thread was about Why because i try to be honest and not play games that is why. I thought using a name would be more honest, and esier for folks to see what I was talking about but I now realize people can and should draw their own conclusion,. ya have to admit it was a fine example tho of the type of discourse I was referring to and that it is difficult to overcome for those not familiar with this type of "problem".

I want bumpy to see what just happened . see these poor mods have a job to do and it is a tough call. stop being annoyed by it Im not. thank you very much for deleting my post, im serious. good job.

They do have the soap box forum where threads end up when they get to personal like you describe. i think it like a banishment and only members can get in there! guest cant read them once they go down ther so it is a shame. i do not believe posters write a post and say Im gonna get into a rip roaring debate that is personal with that guy. if they did your idea would work great. it just escalates to that point. and I think some posters have been hurt or in rage about a topic on another thread and their emotions about that poster rides them (sometimes for yearsI have seen) and they are quick to go nuts with them where if it was another poster the same words would not have such a reaction. some of the posters have been going at it for years. how does one stop hard feelings? Geez if anyone has an answer for that I need to know in my life for more than just this forum and it would help my life alot.

I think more than one HUGE problem has come about after a drug has been released by the FDA. you read the head lines, you know darn well how the FDA has so many problems with lack of staffing, errors and just general inability to be certain, it was even on the debate with the democrats last night. after a few hundred or thousand have the same type death or major problems only then do they sometimes even begin to form a link with a common drug they have. many drugs are recalled after an the oh we didnt realize that could happen ! be honest science has more than a few problems and it is not exactly proven what the heck will happen when any of these drugs come out!! but some cling to the hope my siblings are much older than I and they all have the typical problems of high blood pressure cholesteral. all of it. i do think it has to do with the dr. some but I also think they need to do what they need to do and i would never dare say what iright for me is for them. personly I really do not wanto live into well old age unless i can be absolutely healthy and do my own thing. and I smoke so there ya have it. so i do not go for meds, or tests or check ups really all that much once every two years, never had an issue and i do take my blood pressure often cause everyone eles seems to have such issues in my family. I have the sudden onset pressure which is linked to stress.. i believe my brother who died in a car accident did as well they think he had a mini stroke when he was in his forties and my sister had a stroke in her forties my family is one of those sick ones. I will tell you a story and again i think God was in this for me, I had to have an exam for a job and I had to have a test I was nervous it was a very bad day a number of issues were getting to me and i didnt eat that day. so when they took my blood pressure for the job the PA told the nurse to call an ambulance, my blood pressure was so high she thought i was going to ahve a stroke right then. I said wait just wait let me get a grip I cant put it back down . she called the ambulance and by the time it arrived I was fine and my blood pressure was normal. IKNOW I have never heard anyone doing this and IKNOW it isnt something I would tell anyone to do to do to be ok. i was young then in my 30's I assked the Dr. and he said I had that situational blood pressure when my emotions increase my body reacts with high blood pressure . of course he wanted me to go on med. i said no. Now as I age i think I have learned how not to stress I really have, twi helped me practice a great deal when my body was able to adjust itself alot quicker . being a single parent two divorces my life has not been easy. i think now if I get so emotional i stroke out it had better be a big one and i die instead of messing me up to the point i cant talk or walk and need rehab forever. I know this is radical but that is how i feel about how i want to manage my life.

I understand the science very well, but when I wake up with no storys of what happened to me in the night to tell! that to me means no dreams. i know it may be odd to folks who are used to it. I think if i ever did dream i would freak out nowI do not know what it is like. get it?

i may dream, i just do not remember them. never had a "dream" i had just one when i was a little kid i do remember that about a movie i had watched that night. but other than that i do not wake up and recall anything other than sleep. I mean not a bad thing in the sense of what twi said spiritualy if you have dreams... your possessed I do not believe that. yes i think people can have nightmares my kids did when they were sick and woke up speaking of a dream she just had. i wonder what it is like because people often speak of their dreams. i do not think it is a common or uncommon thing to dream some do some do not. i do not. i do wonder what it is like.

I will find your point im tired and need to stop this computer thig i have going on in my life. yes I am avoiding some issues i have inlife and pretend real life isnt out there and hide here I admit it. I think folks who join twi or an offshoot today are in the same place we were when we joined. who could tell us different waysider? that being said times have changed as i metioned earlier they do have the internet it is here and iM glad. but who really gets involved in these outfits??? think think yeah we had alot of opposition back then too! we didnt listen. because we were sold out. I do not think anyone from 1985 is still out there wondering how the hell vpw died. sorry but the answers are all over the internet. and i do not think anyone in 2008 involved in twi really gives a rats foot who he was he is just an author of some book they use if they still even use it who knows I donot. to us he was a real live person we watch build an empire and we also watched that fall!! they didnt and it isnt so very interesting as I am sure it is down played or they would have kept LCM. people join those groups today for the very same reason we joined. we believed it all hook line and sinker till we got slapped enough to see reality. he aint gonna die again , John LYNN and many other off shoots are available I think vpw and lcm reign has fallen and groups like that will always be available for those who need them. those who stood through it all and are still in the way from way back crap they wouldnt leave now if it was their children own life.

I think Tom is being used because he is an actor so they most probably make it very cushy for him to belong. he helps them. he is famous we like famous people. Where are the other folks who have dedicated their life and support to this group? behind tom I suppose hahaha

thank you Goey my sister and I got in a rip roaring fight over this crap. she is one year older than me, we eat about the same same size . they give her drugs she has side effects. i have normal levels. I think the fear they put in people makes them stressed and they get high blood pressure thinking they are gonna die over this invisable chemical in their body that is evil and the dr. has a freaking hey day! i know this isnt gonna be popular. but i truly believe stress has alot to do with the chemicals in your body and how they function and once you allow them to be messed with all hell can break lose . i think a change in life is demanded for good health and so many want a quick fix of the pill, easier than losing weight and exercise etc. I love it when the antidepressant warn that an increase in suicidal thoughts can happen while on this drug. yeah sounds like a rememdy to me!not.

Well I was marked by the way. no good I was. and i have never ever dreamed, I know what it is people have told me it is like tv when you sleep. I have no clue never had it happen to me. I wonder about it tho sounds awful even if it is a good dream. they dreamed in the bible . I do not understand how it is a bad thing.

you know i do get the whole "friends" things on the internet or I wouldnt be here either but I put it in the context of the internet. I try to stay safe and warn others it is what it is. a public internet with zero accoutability. posts like waysider who always sound kind and gentle to me I do grow attached too. but I also think if he and I diagreed he wouldnt turn into less of the person he presents himself to be again a very nice guy or girl. we all have moments well at least i do where in we are hurt and fed up and might write things we later regret, but grease spot is now loaded with a certain group that is here to attack and not so much as consider understanding and they are scary .

I agree completly. I was marked and without a cuputer in 87 went back to the way in the 90's left because it was insane. but quickly joined up with the off shoot people of CES, cult head I am! they didnt have any answers besides i still kept my mouth shut for the most part then . it was a person who left that group that told me about grease spot. I believe God was in TWi, I also believe God is involved in GS cafe. I believe God help me and Jesus Christ does direct me to where I need answers. he better I know how very pitiful I really am in life. Grease spot is here for a reason Grease spot does provide a resource. Now do I believe everything on this site? do I think the posters are not people with their own backgrounds and "stuff" and problems ? I do not even think all who are posting on this site belonged or was involved in twi. I think it is a public internet forum that is a resource on the internet and each need to "process what they can from where they can. and each opinion will be different such as humans are in life. the truth where is it? honestly I believe one needs to seek to understand who Jesus Christ in their life to find the real and only truth in life.

but the threads go off course naturaly in the form of a discussion. what one may consider "b.s." is helpful to another right? some want a strict police force that dictate how a thread should go.. stay on MY topic my opinion IS THE TOPIC. and the anggry posters take over. well then who is right and wrong? Mr. Hammeroni thinks the one who began the thread should police it, and that would work if all had the same amount of time and devotion dedicated to typing on the puter and can sit here for days on end and comment, most do not have that type of life! (I know hopefully i wont either soon) not to metion that core of "friends" who back one up on a thread.. that can and is overwhelming and confusing and darn frightening if one just wants to start a topic . the flurry of that happening friends and players getting in on the action of personal attack on just one thread can go pages long in just a few short hours and no one knows where the whole thing began and what the heck was the original idea! and no one wants to read it for the most part to find out. to much effort, but what it does it silents anyone who disagrees with those who are the majority here and who have the same sect as the power base.

Why do I come here then? Honestly? I have NEVER EVER SEEN Pawtucket play a power game on these boards. I also do not "know" pawtucket" but it is his site and I have been watching him for as long as only he know!!! heheh but he has tried so very hard to do this and he has been fair and kind and I not for a moment believe his motive is anything but good. and the job is dificult. Not because he is the owner of this site God knows i can be shut down and may be shut down in any given moment .. I just think the man is fair I think the man is a good man. and i do not know him. also because it is a hoot.

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your right Im not one of the chosen inner circle people. yeah hooo for me really. I played that game once we all did and you know what Im glad I broke the chains it made in my life and I now welcome new thoughts and ideas from many different places people and things. and that is exactly why this place is fading into the few sect mind sets that dismiss anyone But their own little group , it is a safe powerful place for them. those "die hards" are the very ones killing any new life or hope for answers other than what they want them to be. It is a learned behaviour from the cult and alive and well on grease spot cafe. Im happy i no longer fall into its trap and allow certain people say so and power over all just because they have a position on the forum of authority because they ahve been here longer know certain people or can be the most mean of all.