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dearest pawtucket you seem to be a friend and we never met. I have a mind picture of you that is quite lovely tho. I was a good girl most of the time and you were always a kind man. so strong and gentle. i went to trust and obeys new site his name is time out now and he is a nice guy. somhow I think he is younger than you and I have no idea of your age you just seem older cause your wiser I think. i do not believe in hate to much and at times I think I got into fights that got hateful of the poster. Im sorry. but it was all in good times, wasnt it. I am mj412 I found the site after CEs took a toll on me after the way twice. Gosh only these folks would get that. so to my friend a man who showed integrity for over a decade to me. maybe I will see you on the new site it looks good not so much food around tho.. take care pond mj412

I looked up grease spot on face book and it said it was a "closed group. ???? do you have a link or something?

Hello it is me Pond I read excath post who missed mj, I am mj I do not remember how it happened but I changed my user name because I had to rewrite my computer or something and well because things are the way they are I just stayed "pond" on the site. The idea that this site is closing again made me think of the loss I have felt in my life. Now that I am middle age it seems to me the more despair I face the closer I must cling to a God of mercy and love. I have no idea if this is healthy or right it just is. I have seen much loss in my tired old life now... but at the time I needed a light to see what I was doing God did provide. I read in Ephesians that God gives the UNITY of the spirit among the saints, which to me says WOW He is actually the one who gives us all the ability to minister and love and feel a unity with one another. I also believe it can be for a moment in time or a season in time or a life time, but God is the one who allows and gives us such love and fellowship. time is yet to be defined by the Lord, you know and this may be linked to the loss and sorrow the bible speaks of for His children. I do not believe the sorrow is death as we are promised the ability to live beyond this body.. I think the sorrow comes from the loss of our unity that God gives. Why does He take it away? We are people with a sin nature that can hurt and destroy another , and also because work does need to get done for the Lord if I get stuck on my emotional ties and stop listening to what will lead me to God ultimate life for me refuse to obey and stay within the confines of what people feel and do (positive or negative) can I grow with the Lord? I think not. I believe this is how the abuse begins , we tend to become comfortable in our worlds we build and then we stop listening to the One who makes that very life possible because of the Power God has so loving given us with the Holy Spirit within. Jesus Christ is a humble guy he knows very well we are not good to Him or to each other and As the only one among us who can clearly Love us enough to die for us, He must direct our steps to places that will keep us all safe and able to obey the most righteous Judge . I can hardly think what TWI was and is to my life, I can only wonder what life would have been if what happened didn't happen. but it did happen and 25 years later I am still getting wounded from my involvement . deeply wounded. worse today than 25 years ago. people talk about moving on I laugh I seriously laugh. life moves on whether we chose it or not, But the abuse and its impact stayed and the next generation doesn't get it and I stop telling them a why it all happened because dam it I do not know why my own self. before the way I was in a church in which the minister stood up in front of a congregation that he built into the hundreds and said he was not sure there was a God. I accepted Jesus in that small baptist church and now the man who taught me the hope of one day seeing my mom (who died when I was very young) said it could all be a lie. So this road to God is not a pretty one for me , the horror story from getting involved in the way will never be revealed on-line for the safety and security of my now grown children , they know but they do not need it on-line and truthfully they blame me and I was the one who got involved in what they understand as a cult. was it a cult? I do not know, I know I still seek the Lord Jesus Christ as my helper and friend, because I do not know any other way to go in life. I do not sell a class anymore, I am still desperate and wonder a great deal how the hell this happened. I'm thankful because I do not know any better. The wonder of the Lord is no joke to me. grease spot helped me find others who still are crazy enough to believe in a God of some sort through it all. I am thankful. If there is no God I am a fool indeed, and for me it isn't even about that I just do not know what else to do to make my life function. lol grease spot helped me and I'm thankful. I do love you all and here is to the hope we all may have that better days are coming.

Harley bikes are very very costly Rottie I know a few owners and trust me they all have incomes in the six or 7 figure class. I agree the corp made its name with sense of rebel without a cause idea yet reality is they market the elite and wealthy class. who often do not smoke. I have become poor lately and I smoke. In a sense I believe this is wrong (the ruling on no hire) Smokers in New york pay HUGE tax on cigereets they are 8 dollars a pack or more. I heard minimum wage just became the same price as a pack of cigs. I believe that enough is enough. If we chose to live in poverty and damage our own health is that proof enough we are capable of making our own choices and have strong enough will power to get any job done? lol I couldnt apply I smoke and I would get busted for sure. Discrimination? yeah probably but who and what defines that? Im also over weight and young sexy studs do not open doors for me any more Is that discrimination?

Tazia said DG was brought in to clean up STF. and no one thought firing two out of the three original founders would be the solution. At my job the powers that be bring in in term directors to clean house every few years or so. People grow in unity and purpose which can be a good thing Until it becomes a lower standard than is acceptable and the decline in productivity is noticeable to "outsiders". or the standard must be raised. Jesus Christ is the same as always His "standard" has not changed. DG will say well now division is normal and from the bible many of them parted ways. Myself I have no problem with change in the work place I am quite accustomed to it actually enjoy the chance to do it differently even if it doesn't work as well I feel I can learn. BUT I know others who can not tolerate change and completely shut down when a different approach is used. valuable skilled people who can not and will not shift thinking patterns.. and for a reason because it may not work as well and then we are stuck with a mess. that takes time money and all kinds of resources wasted . At my job unity can hurt us because we get stuck in a rut. Maybe that is what happened to STF. I reread JAL "wimpy e-mail" on the front page of GS. Ya know if he could he would still be with stf. they just do not want him. I see two issues one is stf have felt they have gone far enough with jal and stopped being a loving example or "teacher" clearly for him to heck with unity of purpose etc. what does that say about how they would tolerate or help others? seriously he is the guy who put the pay check on their plate. Of course they may say Jesus Christ did pay them then why in heck do they still need the coins from people? see. the other is how very unstable JAL is with his emotions and words, which again how does that play out in helping others who may not have the decades caring and knowing and working together? not good. The idea that we are to look beyond human frailties and just obey God and his word is so stupid. BECAUSE they claim they teach Gods word in a manner no one else can in a superior race for the super crown of life itself. so ya can not just obey God and not men, because they have the edge the bigger better paper. cant ya see it? it is bible worship. yes now God loves His book but I firmly believe He loves His own creation more. I wonder if we took away their ability to sit at a desk and read from books if they would still "have the power" to know God as well as they want people to think they do. be a people who have to work 8-9 hours a day deal with communities that are different and strange to their manners and rituals on a regular bases live among those who live OMG in this world, without skipping out after a prayer and a sermon. Without standing before them and demanding they change because God says too. How about just loving one another regardless of your research and invention. for my life that is the only way to really grow in faith (trust) with God, to be able to see humanity and evil on a constant level along side of His loving grace. WE may be "called out" as a chosen people BUT not to the point we no longer need humanity itself. the world reminds of us of God. constantly without end . I believe they have made their own worlds, and will not accept change because it may not work, and it may not but isn't that why we need a God ? it could be idols are not always golden they just need some of it.

2 corinthians 1:9 10;7 philippians 3 41 thessalonians 2;4 I can play batle ship bible verses as well as JAL can. but I will not because God loves the bible but LOVES his people more . jal says it isnt about the knowledge yet that is exactly how he manipulates people and dismisses people. If I spent 60 looking at a rather small book and "researching" what it must really mean than i would be a master player as well . Is that all that a faith person can do? I think if we can do what Jesus Christ said we should do even a little bit it is pleasing to God. they still hae the heirarchy from twi days the levels of knowing God, as the standard is bible verses and knowing how to throw them at folks who desire to know a Loving Father. I would not slap my 3 year old for not knowing how to drive the car, nor would I say God loves him less because he is unable to to drive a car. thw manifestations and how "good" people are at them is the other standard. pp was thrown in to give something to do for those who think they could be at least as good as them in sit and etc... just give me a break , seriously is not worship a private affair ? we can rejoice publicly with others but true worship is the relationship each child has with the father of all. this is a game played by fools.

Geisha is right . If JAL wants to make it about relationships well then HELLO come on your track record sucks. It appears that when your relationships disagree with you, YOU give an ultimatum of your way or the highway. this is healthy relationship? that is not transparency it is being a bully. Even Elizabeth was left high and dry until YOU decided she was worthy after your other relationships turned wicked bad and sour. So she took you back after a divorce and NOW has permission to disagree with you! I bet she does! haha JAL you speak of your sat thing as extra income you teach a total of 5 weeks a year? ya know I really do not think you have a clue what it means to have a real job in which you have to be accountable and show up every darn day whether you can reschedule the "kids" for a better time or not. or something bad happens like NO income. that has never happened to you has it? you bet it is about the money wanna go? and about being hypocrits Im tired of christians using the hypocrit card I really am, the day will come has been here already plenty when that finger will be in your face JOHN. bad move. all sin and fall short. yet with you as long as you play the grace card when it comes to your crap and really really believe it is all about grace anyways like you do what the hell difference does any of the bible verses make ? that is why the administration are always on your list of priorities because you can prove it is the grace administration now when you need to. and that is what is most important to you! well for me I like to change my behaviours to be a better person for God and for people and for me. it is more difficult . Repent. give a sermon on that, please. without the grace and who likes who game. it cant hurt to have another bible ministry , go for it. at the end of all this if it is true and we will all see Jesus face to face I believe it will be the PERSONAL walk we held with HIM not the group of people one can amass while speaking anything . God gives the increase JAL not YOU.

how many times have we seen a person pick up a bible say take a verse and say here is what your doing that is wrong here is your problem here is the reason why you suffer. well I know some very serious christians who suffer and commint sin. and just yesterday they had the bible in their hand. I do not want to take a book and hurt people. if the truth is your boyfriend left you and your hurt about it. does it help anyone to say geez the bible says sex outside of marriage is sin and....you deserve this says so god almighty, or I do not do it and I have no problems. Im better than you attitude. I worked with a guy and Im silent about my life at work.. but he would grill me about my marriage and life personal stuff and I finaly in a very tired moment told him I was never arried (Im divorced) to get rid of him. so he knows I have children So one day he blurts out well something is wrong with me concerning sex, meaning about the bible standard with the fact I had sex without being married. I couldnt believe it his entire position as a christian was to find an area the person had sinned in life and beat the person about. he carried a bible . His wife left him for cheating on him. alot of probems he told to have another tell their issues and he could bring out the bible and say this and that. Im a sinner so are you line of crap. Why? misery and gossip I guess I really dk. /I do no think that is why God wrote the book. I think people can use it as a weapon to hurt others and that is far removed from gods will for His precious children.

I think it is the point exactly that what ever one is involved in and believes is the truth is the truth for them. People define what they believe as truth. It was alot of peer pressure in twi and group think. most religous groups operate in that manner, if you do not believe what they hold as truth you not really welcomed to worship their God. Twi had pfal as their standard for truth. twi claims pfal is bible truths. hence why your thinking the bible is the only source for truth. disclaimer: I am answering your question on the terms you stated, to the manner it was written, I do not know why you think in the manner you chose to think. does anyone know the realy why or honest truth of how anyone eles may think?

Most religous groups have a book or written standards. Most organizations, business etc have a set of ruls and regulations to have a standard of behaviour and procedures. USA has a set of laws that say what we can and can not do. People have always desired control and say so in matters concerning their choices. TRUTH is up to the individual. Truth is the choice people makes at any given time . What religous book or standard one choses can decide for you what choices you make in life. Whether one person truth is better than the other is yet to be seen as far as the christian perspective goes as the return of Christ has not happened . For me the bible perspective can be a very confusing web of people trying to understand a God that asks us to be spiritual not academic . I believe knowledge of God and Jesus christ and spirituality in general is a personal affair between each individual and their God and a very personal CHOICE. To seek knowledge from a book(bible in the case of the christian religous) again is up to the person ability and desire to understand and obey. truth is whatever a person thinks it is. my truth may or may not be your truth and on and on it goes. I believe that is why LOVE is the most important commandment in the writings of Jesus christs words. But if a person does not think a man was able to perform the tasks the bible claims Jesus Christ did that of course would NOT be their individual truth.

yes twi folks are trained to give money, abs was huge in twi. So jal found the need and kept the ball rolling. it worked enough to hire the others. I think stf wants to distance its organization from the twi stuff. they want to be a ministry without the negative baggage twi brings their group. but no other group of folks will be as shall I say (loyal) as twi people in givng money. a problem. But that isnt all of it, the crap with PP , momentuos and their own leaders suing one another isnt from twi that is in their own mess of baggage. Jal is a smart man he knows how to make money.... and entertain people. Both Johns have spent enough time researching to be able to teach well. but I think today people want more, the net provides many ministries and resources for bible study. the competition is huge for religous organizations and 'research". no one has to travel to ohio to get the remedy anymore if you know what I mean. Mark and Jal both wanted a more people thing. Well good luck to all involved.

hello twinky I am posting to let you know about a very serious concer I have with one of your recent posts. The post said you were scratched and biten by your cats. I want you to be aware of a illness that comes about from a cat stratch, the name of it is cat stratch fever (not the ted nugent song), Im very serious . One of my children became very ill after playing with a cat outside the cat had scratched her lightly and it healed up quickly YET soon after she had flu like syptoms and I took her to the doctor and he said it was cat scratch fever. I didnt believe him at first but she was very ill. the cats breed bacteria in their claws and when they scratch the germs can cause a serious infection in your blood stream that must be treated . just thought I would let you know. Also I was biten by a neighbors cat as a child and I got distemper in my arm and was in acast for over six months very very ill.

Truth matters, if a person has lied to me or knew a fact but would not tell me because they are to afraid of losing the relationship I am not so sure that is love or healthy. people and their children is a different story then a parent does know best and will answer to that relationship its self . If the child needs answers somone will tell them and they will go to the parent and hopefully a disscussion will happen. For years I resented my mom, I was angry she didnt teach me about many things like a husband canleave ya or people die when ya need them most or money and education are important. Truth is not opinion and one person perspective of what his/her truth is can be vastly different than the other person. truth is often a person reality and how they interpret an event or situation, and my experience has been it is a very wide spectrum. One may think they have abuducted by aliens and need to tell me the truth about it, and I reject the truth as unworthy. So I also approach my own truth lightly as mostly only belonging to me and I consider it love when another can share their truth. my friends husband is cheating on her , do I tell her? she thinks he is golden. One time I didnt tell another time I did tell I think it depends on your own relationship with the person and if it can handle the truth .

He says in his letter he thinks the stf board should be eliminated because of the manner in which they acted towards him that it "taints" the "word" they have. I do believe they have spent a large amount of time reading bible verses and can spew it out like any expert who has spent decades reading and studing something. i do not think it is any more important than the gal or guy who has invented a new medicine or gene to cure a major illness or the guy or gal who found out what any new better invention or idea is. Jesus is a personal LORD. Every born again person has a spirit in which we can learn what God needs us to know. Can we use what they have done for work? I can and do just like I can take a antibiotic when I have an infection but have no need to worship the company that manufactured it. or think it is the only manner in which God may heal me. or the best. they are a good resource eating their self up with in fighting . not good. JAL says the "word" (as if it is the only bible resource available to mankind) stf offers is "tainted" because of the manner they have dealt with him and his wife, so what about all this teaching he has "bubbling" (are you kidding me?) inside him, would that not be tainted as well? It reads like God only forgives jal not the others. not a healthy approach, when the very reason he is complaining is because they refuse to forgive him for his past sins and give him a job at stf . now would I be upset if I founded a company and worked very hard to bring in these employee's on a payroll and they fire me ? yeah I would. but ya know life is like that in many areas for many people. I think he went wrong when he began attacking them. another thought is they got in the pay roll by jal who got in the payroll by attacking another ministry! and now they regret that. JS was fired he needed a job.. so jal attacking twi was good for him then. but now that he is angry at stf JS regrets USING JAL attacking mouth when it helped him . that would be ok I understand regret, but hello I think it is only because jal is effective and spot light of jal deeds are on stf now. I bet he is sorry. Iaint so heavy in the book leanin ya know but aint reap what you sow kind of a basic idea of LIFE and a bible teaching?

. Once again, as you read this letter, I ask you to consider your personal relationship with me and the fruit of how I have interacted with you since we have known one another. If I have a positive “track record” with you, I ask that you not discard that in the face of vague allegations against me. Are you saying you have a need to know people still love you?[/color] I simply want to provide an alternative source of biblical truth that is presented with love, grace, mercy, honesty, and transparency. A little humor wouldn’t hurt either—seriously. Not all that simple when you have trashed stf over and over showing zero mercy or love or grace . Nearly 23 years ago, back in The Way International, I stepped forward and adhered to the biblical admonition to “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather to expose them” (Eph. 5:11). What has happened since I sent my 10/21/09 letter is (much like what happened in 1987): (a) some people believed that what I said was true, especially after hearing the STF Board’s vapid and evasive responses to it; (b) some believed the Board’s rhetoric about me without asking me if what they said was true, and © some have yet made no decision one way or the other. Those three responses are pretty much what Acts 17:32 and 33 shows will happen when truth is set forth. Nearly 23 years ago, quite a few people now on the STF mailing list were then TWI followers in category (b), but what happened over time (my actions and the actions of the TWI Board) proved to them that my assertions about that Board were true, and that my heart was in the right place. I believe the same thing will happen in this situation. I am moving on, but I am very concerned about those who may choose to be part of something I believe is being led by people like those cited in Romans 16:17 and 18, and in that vein, this letter is to try once more to help you see this situation as it really is. After this, all my effort will go toward the new organization that I and other brethren are starting. I know how painful this must be for you, and I want you to know that I will continue to love you and make my life and teaching ministry available to you whether or not you support either STF or me. As far as I’m concerned, my relationship with you is not contingent upon whether you take my side. I am more concerned about your relationship with the Lord Jesus, and that you stand on “the side of truth,” for your own sake. You do not know my pain, you want us to know YOUR PAIN . Not about taking your "side"? sure JAL because your convinced the LORD JESUS is splitting the organization because your good and they are bad. give me a break much? Jesus didnt tell you you cant work for them, in fact YOU want to work for them, they just wont let you. stop twisting this. If you are now in category (b) or ©, I ask you simply to consider the undeniable dishonesty on the part of John, Dan, Gary, and Karen in how they have dealt not only with Elizabeth and me, but with you and everyone else who pays their salaries. For the sake of brevity, the following list is not all that could be cited: OH I thought it wasnt about money either but you must metion that too? You go on and on about demanding they put it is writing... why? You have all this third hand infomation to tell us about, Is it possible you want it in writing so you can sue them for a false firing or slander? hmmm? Your mighty eager to hear what they have to say about you. * When they finally did say something because of how much support they were losing, their 9/25/09 letter did not say they had fired me in January, but rather that I had left STF in August, clearly implying that I did so voluntarily. YOU DID JAL!! they wouldnt give you a job so you left. You could have stayed on in the ministry UNPAID that was YOUR choice to leave. they didnt let it be known they fired you that is true, BUT they didnt kick you out of the group. you could have stayed as anyone is involved. YOU DID CHOSE TO LEAVE STF in August. you wanted to be more involved per you own letter to them, (on this website) and they said no you wanted to be PAID again and it made you very angry when they decided um nope sorry love ya bro no can do. your "wimpy e-mail" spoke of your love and how much you admire them. which changed when they refused to hire you back. * John Schoenheit’s 10/25 letter said that I had asked people to stop giving to STF, which I did not. I suggested that people consider “voting with their wallets” to show the Board their disapproval with how they have led STF. [color="#FF0000"]stop playing mind games we all know what you meant JAL< grow up. - Furthermore, they put the focus on me and failed to address some very key things that would have exposed their rampant hypocrisy. JAL all of your letters have put the focus on you and that is ok for you but not them? Is that not how we define the very word hypocrisy? . If you attended the meeting, and did not afterward call me to ask if what you heard about me was true, is that how you would want me to treat you? [color="#FF0000"]REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY???? SEE FURTHER DOWN IN THIS LETTER!!![/color] I’m very sorry that those who went had to endure such a painful experience of seeing people they love pitted against one another. It made me very sad to think that on that Saturday, the 38th anniversary of my ordination, while I was enthusiastically teaching the Word in Washington, D.C. to God’s precious people, my longtime friend and fellow laborer John Schoenheit was dishonestly degrading me. "]and you him. [/i] First of all, that is not how CES was founded,(really ? how about what I quoted in green in this letter above?) as our letter about The Way went out in February, 1987 and CES was founded in September, 1988. Be that as it may, aren’t you glad I told the truth about TWI so you could make an informed decision about staying or leaving? Could it be that their “regret” at the November meeting was all about making me look bad in regard to my October mailing to you that exposed them? ARE you kidding me? seriouly hahhahah that is just unbelievable JAL CES was founded from twi people., Once again being a super hero, mini Jesus, the saviour of mankind are you? god still speaks to His children JAL and your not an only child or the most beloved. . They don’t ask because they don’t care, and must advance their own position at my expense. stop with they do not love me anymore and Im a victim crap you write this letter to "advace YOUR OWN position at their expense". And now, despite the overwhelming percentage of people who have told them that the composition of the Board is seriously flawed, they are going right ahead with their plan to add only Mike Patten, a salaried employee who is in lockstep with them. That will make the Board three salaried people and a married couple, which is even worse than its current composition. Nothing is changing, and it is obvious that they do not care what anyone says if it contradicts them. Not only have they given no credence at all to the Elder Council members themselves, or to their input, and blown them off at every turn, but they also reproved them and said they are not doing the will of God. You speak about this elder council , that is interesting so where is their report? can you share it so we can see for ourself what they have to say? I firmly believe that your heart is honest before the Lord, but the Board members’ actions have long ago proven to me, and to many others, that their hearts have become hardened. If, like some, you are asking, “How could that happen?” please remember that the amount of spiritual knowledge one has is not the measure of his spirituality. Rather, God looks on one’s motives and how he relates to the knowledge he has, i.e., how much of it he is practicing with an honest heart in the sight of God and the Lord Jesus. And given the biblical picture of the life of David, God makes it clear that He especially values one’s willingness to admit and repent of his sin. JAl that is exactly what stf is saying to YOU, about you . It is painful to hear, but it is clear to me that the following Scripture verses aptly describe the current STF Board and their actions. And if that is true, wouldn’t it be more painful in the long run not to hear it? Romans 16:17 and 18 (NASB) (17) Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. (18) For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting. The Greek word translated “unsuspecting” is rendered “simple” in the KJV and “naïve” in the NIV. It is akakos, and is used only one other place--Hebrews 7:26, regarding Jesus (“harmless”). I don’t think either the KJV or NIV has it quite right, and I prefer “harmless” or “innocent” (ASV). It means that a person like you,( but not you?) who is doing your best to be honest and do what is right before the Lord, does not expect people like those on the Board to do otherwise, and it is hard for you to believe that they are. It was hard for us too, but we have lived with it for 7 years, and I am telling you the truth. "]Look at that JAL is protecting the "simple" naive innocent flock enough already with the super hero crap Jesus Christ is the head NOT YOU. YOU JAL are causing dissensions and hindrances because they wont pay you money to play a super hero anymore.[/i] As per Philippians 1:17-18, I rejoice that STF has great biblical truth to present (much of it material that I and others who are no longer around helped to produce), but if the hearts of those leading the ministry are tainted, it cannot be the blessing it could be if it were coming from people whose hearts were honest and right in the sight of God. And it cannot help but become more tainted, because each of us is either “being transformed” or “conforming”—we can’t just stay in a holding pattern. Are you saying bibical truth can become tainted? All because you got fired from an organization? hahhahah your losing it man. 1 Corinthians 15:33 (NIV) says, “…Bad company corrupts good character.” If my perspective of the STF Board is correct, the more association people have with them, the more likely they are to be deceived. To vividly illustrate that point, let me cite something I was told happened at the November meeting. It involved someone I’ve known for 25 years, and been close to the last 15+, someone whom I have never done anything but try to love and bless, and he the same to me, but who has in the past year been much closer to John and Dan and had little contact with me. In the context of the Board bringing up my past sins to substantiate their allegation of my unworthiness to lead, my friend stood up and said, “You wouldn’t allow a reformed pedophile to lead children’s fellowship, would you?” I was told that the room exploded with indignation about his malicious remark, but that no one on the Board said a word about it until after a subsequent break during which at least one person I know of had castigated them for their silence. My question, however, is how did my friend’s heart become so venomous against me? Who spoke what into his life such that he would believe such lies about me and even think of saying something so hurtful? [[font="Impact"]color="#FF0000"] [i]OK OK OK THAT IS IT ive HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR CRAP! above in this very letter you say you want people to call you and see if the information is true about you SEE ABOVE in purple!!! Did you call this "somone" you love and are close to for the last 15 years" ? NO you didnt because this letter says "you were told" . talk about a double standard why can you NOT Do what you say others should|? My spin on that is not that he was calling you a pedophile as you imply but rather asking if sexual sins are allowed in the STF group leadership. probably also why they kept silent hahaha (oh geez this is just rich lol.) JS is out of order by bible standards his own self because he has had more than one wife so just be silent and they wont notice. haha anyways Jesus Christ did forgive sexual sins. YOU JAL are purposly twisting that to imply a person you love is calling you a pedophile to appear to be the huge victim once again with emotional charging accusation that are probably not true and YOU do not care to find out or not. it is a lie or in the very least why do you NOT call the friend? hmm? because this crap will get more attention . more people will read this letter esp on grease spot if the word pedophile is being thrown about somhow! your desperate. you want to destroy stf. that is clear. no i am not a supporter of stf, but anytime I see this type of twisted crap I stay away I hear no love just hate and a war between people. it is awful really[/color] He needs something very evil to sue them with and being called a pedephile could just do it! wowowowowo this is a trip I cant do this I just do not have time to waste on this I just want everyone to know beyond any doubt Im certain a very fat cat named pond should never ever ever be allowed to play with different color fonts on a puter sorry. 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Dear rodent What percent of folks behind bars claim they are completly innocent? most we rarely see our ownn agenda's outside of our process of thinking. it is for the love they have for God and for people they are so dedicated. that and it is a real pain in the butt to try to find employemnt when you have been crooked in your last business Dan G claims he was involved in all kinds of illegal business affairs in his. What do they think ? I get confused they must have all theses forgiven people who understand them. yep I am forgiven but to be honest I was never all that evil in my doings in life with people or business. I was just a normal nice gal.. and yes I still love God. hard to put in words but it like a group of folks who have done really bad things and know they are forgiven and now want others like them who understand. they are not my kind of people to start with. I didnt live a evil life and slowly ever so slowly learn to be a little better I have always been good as much as I can. get it? if you go to church most folks will eye ya for some of the crap theses guystalk about in their past like it is normal to steal and commint sex outside of marriage get divorced several times etc... that is not a normal christian. it is a cult christian. cant explain it. do not know how suffice to say they know a real Spirit filled God loving man or lady may tell them they are sinners and need to be accoutable and change right now, not just work on it with some good friends for a few decades. cant have that it is to difficult for them .

They have teens and twenty thing every year ( Like the rock of Ages) also you know a home fellowship or a group at school and now the young folks fellowship on-line alot. camp vision alot of stuff happens to be available. lol . Well of course for the sold out believer there is not another option for those you love. it is the same twi mind set just new and improved and now with grown children doing it for our future. I hope the lord returns soon .

Who do they think they will profit from right now? clearly it is the teens and twenties group. Ironic it is. Most wafers have children in that age group now. Most ex twi's families are now in the teens and twenties, those that left in the late 80's early 90's on John L and John S and others fall out .. those that had not been around long enough to be fed up and just go away from the whole ordeal... that needed to jump on the other ship linked to "the word" . If nothing eles works bring in the cry for the children ! What about the kids? what about the kids? they will never know the truth now, you better give. When I was marked that is what stung me so hard in my cult brain O Mo OH NO the kids ( they were babys at the time.. NOW they will ever KNOW God or the ministry! Honestly it frightened me the worst of all of it. They are the furture John S is talking about. when your kids get to the age of independent thinking a "good" parent will want them to go in the right direction.. to "train " them as the bible says..... in the way to go. this is the reality of most of their faithful ex twi people. effective it is. In marketing the best advantage is always to see a need ( or in this case a fear) and then sell on that premise. Since hini the gel to rid germs on your hands can now be found every where.... not so 3 years ago.. fear sells. Our future for any loving person is mostly our children and that is who they market now. Suck in the kids and the bank roll wil last while the aging boomers begin to grow older and retire etc. seriously these guys are not fools. I believe this is why the face book, my space and twitter accounts and the heavy heavy computer and tech toys are being advertised . The books they wrote are not the key sell points any more... the 10 minute teachings and all the puter stuff is what they are selling heavy now... hmmm and that is the mind set of the young.

In twi leadership could sin openly and get away with it if they held the right people around them. It was all grace and then some for the chosen twi people . Many more where that tattle tale came from, and John is a tattle tale he gave information about others to use against them when situations got heated. He was covered no problem. it is how things are done he is speaking for God , ministering for people ... In a much smaller outfit like STF you cant let it be as obvious peole who give the money are in smaller supply and by virtue of spending account must be dealt with. So you have to go deeper underground and keep the sin more quiet. to please the people that your ok . this is NOT one of JAL strong qualities!!! he struggles with the whole concept he wants to tattle so his own sins feel less bad to him. You know make a fellowship of heart to heart sharing. just what he said. But they do not have the numbers twi did for him to play the game and get information to use against people and force them to stay from the shame he inflicts. well the other guy in the group will do the damage not him but he is playing his role....the other guy is also sold out. or easy to be dismissed if they have to . in other words the system has broken down and isnt working. he freaking just does not know what to do now!! that has been and always be his role . John S and Dan will pull in the circle now and I bet they do not even speak toeach other much in fact I know they do not. it is dangerous what if the people find out your not as good as you say? oh my they may have to find the Lord Jesus Christ as a SPIRIT not a flesh and blood man. But spirit doesnt need money a man does. it is simple to understand .

God has blessed me tho, I gave up and told God do as you see fit Im just trying to survive . I made life simple and just decided to love others as I would like to be loved. I got people in my life I stand in awe of .... I am just amazed at the body of Christ every single day it blows my mind and makes me seek Jesus as Lord more and more. Being a christian is a PEOPLE thing. I do believe these guys, have no practical knowledge of what Paul talks about in the reality of the thorn of the flesh. People keep People real, how? by loving one another, and hating one another . both emotions work together for the good of Gods will to be done. God is love. People are Sinners. What we do as humanity is fight it out for our own salvation. the drama is fun if you remember we can not compete for the throne of KING of Kings. The sin of adam and eve is and always will be the problem, we can not be God. he (God) is a very jealous serious powerful Spirit who can create beings in his image . So we make these little organizations and worlds and instiutions and whatever we can to be God of. All idols will be destroyed.

I pray for a quiet and peaceful spirit for my self. John Lynn you have one very big mouth in which to use many words good LOrd man I hope you can enjoy your gift because it does seem weary to me . ok I have a little something something to consider with all your facts of the case. Mark G is suing YOU John Lynn why not disclose to the STF all the facts and figures in that ordeal? If it is all about being righteous and all hmm? just saying . still lol and a little bit of tears along with it all through the years my brothers . we are all crazy Im convinced but lets carry on we must not know any freaking better , good lord good lord. sigh

Pawtucket or a mod Do you know why the link to the time line and the link in question for the board isnt working?

A silent retreat you say? I think they all need a silent retreat. how very ironic eh? lol

Dont allow the failures of people to stop our ministry? really John? SO ya know the person who is capable of hurting other people because "they failed" to the degree the BIBLE says they should be stoned to death in Gods wisdom and worse is just alright with you? that is scary. How come you do not give them money then? how come they aint staying in your living room giving a "teaching"? People who are azzholes to me are not allowed in my life, but then again I do not have a problem with it because I aint asking them to pay my rent in life either . When Jesus Christ stopped the stoning of the women who slept around he asked who here has no sin NOT well we all do it I got ya covered woman. He also didnt ask her for money for the rest of his life nor did he invite her to live with him and be with those he taught daily. He told her to go away actualy and do not ever sin again. You want those guys to repent , they want you to repent, what a freaking word repent how about change not one of you will change for the other so just get the he11 away from one another and allow the real Jesus to be who you depend on. I promise you He is the nicer guy . I heard the iron sharpens iron crap non of you guys got any iron sorry to say lol seriously. thats what you get for being proud of being a geek for far to long. love is the iron you boys just want to cat fight and bi1ch slap one another. this is about money sure emotions are involved and the OMG he sinned bigger stick but it is about money . And Power. The power to tell people they have to stay with you, Jesus never did He just did his own thing and loved those He worked with and His ministry worked out ok . Paul talked about people doing him harm but I got to say that guy murdered so many folks he most probably had it coming . the man was in jail a lot I guess maybe you do not consider His failures to please the people as a problem . so live it dude but man you can not have your cake and eat it as well . Paul thought he was blessed he didnt complain knowing darn well he was a massive azz hole in real life. he was ashamed of who he was (should have been) and that was why He sought the ministry. not you your good because of all you have done and because Jesus was raised from the dead ok I will buy that brother so is the board of STF then right? or are you the lone ranger ? I do not think so.