TheInvisibleDan

"Dropping endless futile judgment of men," Mike? You might do well to look in the mirror. You are doing precisely that of which you are accusing me. But I forgive you. I was not criticizing the board (quite to the contrary, I meant what I said - that truly it was an "interesting idea"). I would enjoy contributing to the "Philippians" thread on the ancient Marcionite interpretation of Philippians ch.2, which I have been studying this past week. I don't claim it's the one true interpretation but it's fascinating alongside a comparison with others. Does adopting and expressing other "theological ideas" outside of PFAL - in your view or perhaps even your language -amount to one "dropping endless futile judgment of men"? Well, all wondering aside, I will post a thread at the "Philippians" thread sometime over the weekend and see what follows (lol). It can be a very profitable discussion.

Laleo, I'm coming in on this more recent page, and admittedly haven't been following this entire discussion, but your last post was fascinating. You used the word "stigmatized" -which in another form by itself - "stigmata" - lends further merit of your post, when imagining how captivated Christians become by a person bleeding from "supernatural" wounds on their hands, feet or head. And of course, many interpret these as replicating the wounds of Christ. Suffering and sickness and even celibacy and asceticism and even the ultimate self-sacrifice of martrydom is like a red thread running throughout Paul's writings, i.e., "daily I die in Christ" Did Paul preach "health 'n wealth"? Not in this life. For the majority of us moderns, this stuff is held at arm's length and toned down and "re-interpreted" - and I can't say I blame us! Literalism can certainly lead one to an extremely unhealthy lifestyle here. "Illness" may have the carry the meaning of "sin" in the Bible but that's also turned on its head in the New Testament - which is perhaps no better illustrated by the fact that millions revere a cross with a beaten and bloodied figure nailed upon it. Danny

A particular saying hit me like a bolt of revelation when working on ideas for a fictional cartoon savior called Wa'shua; I must have been "caught away" to the third trailer park in the sky when I received this one : "I'll do your sins for you so you won't have to." "Got a sin ya don't want anymore? Give it me - I'll do it" Gosh, what a great savior we have in Wa'shua. He'll even go exceedingly above-beyond what we can ask or even (hate to) imagine. -->

It's actually a most interesting idea. How open will that board will be to the expression of "non-PFAL" theological ideas? hmmm, I wonder....

That's just it...the whole trial appeared to be nothing more than a "Gold-digger versus the Molester"...

If he has half a brain, he'll stay away from kids from now on. Or move to Europe, next door to Roman Polanski.

Vickles, Do you have any friends with a copy of Win98 who would be willing to lend it to you? If anything, take a look on Ebay - type in "Windows 98 upgrade". There are a number of copies for sale. Contact the seller before bidding to make certain it is the upgrade that will work for Win95. Danny

lol! That wouldn't happen to be the year in which the marketing pitch, "Christmas in July" first appeared? I still like to imagine his experience as a bona-fide miracle. It was an unemployed "elemental" angel of judaism landed and perched atop of his dental-garage, gas station office..., that shook a box of soap suds over his window. At least in this version he gets fooled . :)-->

You're much too kind, David. I thought I being a shade too blunt in my expression. But Johniam's recollections were quite an eye-opener. (lol). ;)-->

just to jar anyone's memory... Mike Vest was a slightly heavy-set guy, bald head, glasses, and yes, I think I do recall him wearing a vest along with a giant western "Branded" belt buckle. Kelly Dubus appeared to have been separated at birth from Tom Selleck, but a lankier version.

(lol) yeah that, but I also construe this on a very personal level. If a deity who doesn't think physically challenged handicapped folk are worthy or sacred enough of being in his presence,- time to take another trip to the God-Store, and shop around a little bit. And now for some very good news: I just found out today that my new insurance company covers the cost of artificial limbs 70-100 percent. I'm tradin' in my old hockey stick for one some those new fangled cyborg deals with lasers. It's gonna be freakin great... Danny

His frame of mind there speaks volumes! For one, Wierwille harbored the mindset of a "MOG" or a "high priest" on the basis of the Old Testament, which effectively cancels out "the mystery of the Gospel" revealed to Paul, rendering Wierwille an ignorant puppet to the very angels responsible for crucifying Christ. The so-called "holy angels of Yahweh" who forbade certain types of people attending their meetings - the crippled, the blind, the feeble, menstruating women and the like - all those rejected by Yahweh whom Christ, in contrast to that warped, savage, tribal deity, embraced. Wierwille put on the "old" over the New. He traded the mystery of the liberation in Christ wherein there is no fleshly divisions and distinctions, for the narrow tribal attitudes of a defeated archangel and his hosts. Vp's "ministry" is a testament to this, and an "old" one at that. It's a shame. Danny

Two of my old WOW brothers from Charlotte NC (81-82); haven't heard anything from them in years. Kelly originally came from Wyoming and Mike (if I remember correctly) from Texas. Has anyone had any "sightings" of these guys? Hope they're doing okay. Thanks. Danny Mahar dmahar@snet.net

What's your gripe, Garth? Seems like a perfectly average psycho-killer to me. No danger to national security...

For what it's worth, the cutting up of the concubine in Judges 19 reminds me of the mutilation of the slain body of Osiris:

Perhaps if they dressed up in kilts and started selling cookies everyone would leave them alone.

Like a chain letter - if you don't mail it out in the next 48 hours, you'll die. I haven't seen the statistics on how many procrastinators have ended up dead on account of neglected chain letters. Perhaps I will get around to doing a survey on that question someday.

I notice that you capitalize the word 'Bullies', ..... and I think I know why. ;)--> For the benefit of German readers? :P-->

What weird links thread would be complete without The Brick Testament? :)--> Danny

Praise Ala! :)-->

I thought it was one of those "higher up" names I've heard in the past. One who was in a position to know (almost twi version of "Deep Throat", lol). Jess sounded like he had his act together, in contrast to that later "Corp. director". Danny

That was incredibly insightful of George Jess, Tom. That "resonates" with me as true as well. Was Jess one of the original trustees - or am I confusing him with someone else? good stuff. Thank you. Danny

Unlike him, the "angels" remained at HQ. Would they leave that cushy place to sweat at "Bally's"? I don't think so. ...then again, I have no idea as to the atmosphere of a certain Bally's in Toledo. Does anyone here work out there? :P-->

The Way came nowhere near comprehending the complexity of St. Paul's actual views on the topic of angelology and demonology. Quite to the contrary, they focused all their energies upon the weakest, least powerful, least influential class of "demons", with the majority of them made-up at that! The Way was more medieval in their thinking than "first-century-church" here. Perhaps a good example of discerning "spirits" at work in the Way- just look at the manner with which their leadership treated and abused people, along with all their accusations directed against many of "possession".Does this sound like Jesus, who healed people - or doesn't Way leadership sound more like the legalistic "scribes and pharisees" and all the legalists from Jerusalem Paul was battling throughout his epistles? There are whole classes of angels to which the Way was entirely clueless and unaware, and they still are.The "unemployed angels of Judaism" defeated by Christ on the cross merely packed their bags and relocated to New Knoxville Ohio, and waltzed through their front door without so much a notice, and move into their new jobs. "Ah, just like the old days" they said,"We get to kick people around, and lay heavy burdens on the backs of these humans, make them perform stupid human tricks, and make them worship us." And even better yet,they were able to pull this off because "Christ" was (for the most part) "absent". Danny

Which three "Way" things I no longer hold, but quite to the contrary, believe Jesus to be the Highest God, to have pre-existed, and do not hold the Bible to be God incarnated in the form of a book. And I still end up with "reformed Judaism" (lol). The test could have used some additional choices, though...