skyrider

Exactly! Who needs another teaching tape from hq....same as last week's teaching tape? Yeah...what IF the local area in Dallas, TX kept their abundant sharing for outreach and all? Imagine the possibilities. Heck, maybe even go to the lake......have a day of fun, a barbeque, rent two jet-skis, a paddle-boat and enjoy the day. Perhaps....just perhaps, others might see the fun and want to join you? But NO....hq demands ALL the abs, because they don't trust YOU with it. See, they know how to HOARD IT AWAY AND KEEP IT FOR THEIR SAFETY NET AND SECURITY IN CASE THE ECONOMY REALLY TURNS SOUTH. The people on the field are being FLEECED.....all the while, those at hq kick back on Saturday. Yet, field people are supposed to run classes, outreach events or whatever on THEIR weekends. The double standard is appalling if one is simply paying attention.....but then, that would be "thinking evil" now wouldn't it? ppfffffftttt Gee, when you no longer work and draw a salary/paycheck.....are you supposed to give a portion of your social security check, too? .

Thanks Groucho..... I, too, have a memory of Geer.... During the 7th Corps Group Wedding in Emporia, I stood next to Chris Geer the whole time. We were focused on two things.....wierwille and the piano. With storm clouds building and darkening in the west, it was quite the evening. Of course, Geer kept one eye on wierwille....in case he needed something. But having a fast-moving rain storm drench the piano was something that we were very concerned as well. I'm not sure if wierwille gave Chris specific instructions ahead of time.....all I know is we were ready to make a mad dash to the piano, cover it or move it if need be. At the time, I remember the intensity of how we viewed our task at hand. What is it with rain and twi leadership? Where's that ole "law of believing" when you need it?

GEER was 'the man' who was supposed to get twi *back to the verd during the fog years* .....and yet, he had a substantial stake in keeping the vpee legacy squeaky clean. And.....Geer, admittedly, didn't go to the library to do INDEPENDENT biblical research. He went there to consume every crumb that might fall from "the master's table." Wierwille sends him off to Gartmore to start up a European Corps location...... gee, wonder how that's going to turn out with a sycophant follower....er, leader? Every teaching by wierwille.....catalog and file. Every mannerism of vp & mrs.....learn it, know it, teach it. Every whim of lust and evil.....dismiss it, attack the whistleblower. The corps program was run by psychos...... And, some wonder where all the Nazi-corps came from.....? :biglaugh:

See....it has everything to do with what comes out of that piehole of wierwille, doesn't it? Kinda reminds me of that GS-poster who confronts us about needing to truly understand the depth of wierwille's teachings/writings. PFAL is greater than scripture, doncha know?

Yeah, I know.....lots of us 'rebels' came out of the 9th corps. :) Some here might not realize that quite often CLASS FACULTY was derived from the elder corps. That's right, folks......many classes, select teachings and pertinent topics were taught by the elder corps on campus. Yep, that's how to scrimp on salary/overhead and position a campus with "proper accreditation" isn't it? For me, it was ONE OF THOSE TEACHINGS that sticks in the brain cells.....because I vividly remember thinking "I didn't sign to be way corps to be following the man, wierwille." Yet, here.....right in front of me, Christopher C. Geer was confronting the 7th and 9th corps for NOT listening to EVERY TEACHING EVER TAUGHT BY WIERWILLE THRU THE YEARS ON TAPE. And another thing.....we were scolded for NOT VOLUNTEERING for extra duties. Yet, Geer could sneak away to hide out in the library and meticulously take notes and file them away for later use. He had a plan to be *most valued bootlicker, valet, and bus driver......and it happened. Maybe, in 1989......THAT is why I didn't hop on a plane to get to gartmore and seek geer.

Yeah.....there was a lot of scum in the corps 'training' to grovel at master wierwille's feet. Johnnie T0wnsend was another one who always was holding on to vpee's coattails to be noticed. Add the "spiritual protocol" to the mix, the head table posturing and a dozen chiefs to report to.... and what do you get? The corps indoctrination. Everything in the practical sense of the program belied what they were teaching. They said it was "the Word"......but the focus was to build wierwille's legacy. The scriptures were just a springboard......the swimming pool was the twi-cult realm.

Yeah....I remember at Emporia sitting in Geer's teachings a couple of times. He was my elder corps.....he was 7th corps, I was 9th. Even then, Geer had to cite his credentials of zealous study for ALL THINGS WIERWILLE. He confronted the corps are being lazy and apathetic when it came to vpee. See......during his first year, Chris (and wife Barbara) would take any spare time and go to Anderson Library. They would diligently listen to EVERY teaching by wierwille and catalog their notes meticulously. Together, Chris and Barbara studied the habits, the likes and dislikes, the idiosyncrasies of vic and Dorothy. EVERYTHING......what they liked to eat for breakfast, what kind of cup to sip their coffee or tea. Family heritage, wierwille's passions, reading material, dog training, personal safety measures, etc. When wierwille would like to take off his suit jacket after teaching so long...... Chris prided himself as the perfect servant. No other corps could match his dedication and commitment to "the man of God." No one. IMO, he build this mystical persona of wierwille and projected him as always walking by revelation. On their interim year, Chris and Barbara were *selected* to be vpee's and mrs. personal valets. Surprise...(ha) THAT was their obsessive goal....to side up next to the wierwilles. They obsessed over it every waking hour. This fixation on wierwille ESCALATED the psycho geer into the stratosphere of the sociopathic realm. His eyes were fixated on every movement of the wierwilles. He took it to the furthest extremes imaginable. And.....wierwille, obviously, allowed it to consume him in narcissism nirvana. This association was toxic and unbiblical every way possible. Vpw and geer had a toxicity to their companionship.....much like rosie and donna. They each feed off each other. Now, the girls are in charge.

Yeah......and even the sales training seemed lacking on so many levels. In reality, wierwille and co. put together a patchwork recruitment program together that simply inferred to bring your friends, family, co-workers, whoever to twig or the next public x [ie pfal class explanation] and twi leaders WILL BE THERE TO SIGN 'EM UP. In my opinion, the wheels came off wierwille's wagon in 1977. PFAL '77......wierwille was coaxed into re-filming pfal, and it was NOT used. Fall of 77....vpw's brother, harry, died. This man was an anchor for vic. Martindale and Geer were in hyper-allegiance mode to win vp's favor. An inner circle of yes-men completed the circle of loyalty. The last eight years of wierwille's life [1977-1985] were to fulfill his legacy. At the advanced class of 1978, vpw was extremely ....ed at three 8th corps and their research paper. IMO, wierwille deep-down loathed the corps....only attempting to use them for recruiting purposes. Definitely, even in closed-meetings it was stated that corps didn't know how to research the verd. Only the research dept was authorized to do "new" research......what a crock. The corps program was simply a brown-shirt....er, green-shirt, follow-your-leader program. Obedience was first, foremost, and the ONLY priority. If you step out of line, they'll tell you. All that walk by the spirit bible-talk was put on the back-burner.....this was corps indoctrination. Teachings on doulos/slave, dog-soldiers, staked to the truth, red dawn, mal-packs, deprogrammers, etc. Recently, I read a thread about Chris Geer's deep paranoia and influence on wierwille. Together, they fed off each other's allegiance and narcissistic ways. Books, guns, dog training, illuminati, conspiracy theories, liberty lobby, etc. The corps were used and abused.....a means to an end.....to build the legacy of the mog. All those corps grads who STILL believe that wierwille loved them....... If vpw's two "achievements in life were....1) pfal and 2) the corps program then, number one....he STOLE the foundational class and number two......he failed miserably in establishing a "training" program I've said REPEATEDLY.....going into the corps program was THE WORSE DECISION I EVER MADE.

Yep......the corps indoctrination set in motion all the other twisting and turning of perversions in twi-cult world. Was wierwille THAT incompetent.....or did he scheme this isolation dominance for his sexual pleasures and conquests? Having a corps campus FAR from the mrs. and a motorcoach and bodyguard to watch the door .....ensured to safeguard from unwanted intrusions. And, further......wierwille craved the obsessive adulation of followers. Yep......the corps program was prepackaged for the ZERO TEACHER.

And....here's another thing. The loyalty purge.....was directed to corps and staff. The debt purge........was directed to corps and staff. The homo purge........was directed to corps and staff. Then, LATER......debt directives permeated the whole of twi. Then, LATER......homo suspicion consumed the whole of twi. THEREFORE....is twi, now, more fixated on a "poverty paradigm?" Is the whole of twi consumed by this corps sanctity to poverty? The corps leaven has leavened the lump.

Yep. If wierwille/twi were honest.....that vow of poverty would be on the application form. Corps are to live a life of twi-servitude ---- check. Corps are to serve until death and move every 3-5 years --- check. Corps are not allowed to own a home --- check. Corps are forbidden to own land --- check. See.....THAT would be honest. And.....not just the money, but SERVANTS at their beckon call. Fix their meals, clean their homes and offices, do the laundry. Wash and wax and detail the car for traveling. Bodyguards at their disposal. Maintenance guys and tree/lawn care for Rosalie's property. Oh, it's good to be queen of the cult.

"Get me going"..... Naw, you input was just off-topic, that's all. The title of this thread is Corps Training: A Peek Behind the Curtain And....that's why I brought it up. Some STILL don't realize the caste system in twi wherein the corps were the slaves, indentured servants, so others could go out and live that *pfal stuff.* I've been citing this corps-perversion for about 15 years.....putrid stuff.

Gee, Twinky......you might want to re-check wierwille's "prosperity gospel" a little more. Interim corps at hq worked for $75 a month. Corps don't need to be "worldly" and own possessions. Just get out there and move the word, move the word. Everyone aboard the "mystery train." Get your clothes from plurality palace. Broken cars, no cars, hitchhiking etc. No retirement....work till you drop dead. And....THE HYPOCRISY STUNK UP THE JOINT. No pets, no extras, no cable tv, no pregnancies unless authorized [lcm-era]. Yeah.....preach it sister. Everyone should be as spiritual as you. 24-years in twi....been there, done that, got the t-shirt. The corps were the indentured servants for twi hierarchy....for life. Corps and staff were subjected to a life of dependency and "stuck nowhere." Leaders forced unwanted sexual advances, abortions, strife, death by guilt. You can keep this "prosperity gospel" if you like. And, yeah....I get that One Body, members in particular stuff. In a solid, wholesome, Christian environment it SHOULD be God-service to all. BUT.......in twi, at least for the corps....it was exploitation in the highest order. C'mon Twinky......life in moderation, ever hear of it? .

Well, now....I would merely point to just a couple of examples in Scripture. Gen 39:2 And the LORD was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian. Gen 39:3 And his master saw that the LORD was with him, and that the LORD made all that he did to prosper in his hand. Gen 39:4 And Joseph found grace in his sight, and he served him: and he made him overseer over his house, and all that he had he put into his hand. Joseph, indeed, was given UPWARD MOBILITY and honored God in this new position of authority. Another example: Ruth [read the book of Ruth]. By his divine power, we are given ALL THINGS that pertain to life and godliness [iI Peter 1:3] and its all that garbage "spiritualizing" in twi that continues to pervert the true essence of the Lord's goodness. See, I believe that we are to be LIVING EPISTLES IN ALL OF LIFE.....words, actions, family values, work ethic, honesty, raising children, stewardship, etc. In twi, we were taught to compartmentalize EVERYTHING.....and leadership would critique our lives thru their filter of "spirituality" which was skewed by twi. Yes.....UPWARD MOBILITY. I have no desire to be positioned into a caste system of servitude. Why can't the Lord bring us before *great men*? See, it's another one of those twi-perversion teachings that keeps us in a state of dependency, of servitude. I love Greasespot. It helps all of us to chuck twi's stinking indoctrination into the garbage bin.

Yeah.....a PERMANENT group of servants, intended to last indefinitely without change. That's a counterfeit, false teaching.....manufactured by a false teacher. And.....how often do those newly corps grads get assigned to work on staff? Yep, all that "training" to move to a dorm room and do grunt work. The dependency and indoctrination resides at twi's hq in a systematized pecking order. "Spiritual protocol" is the buzzword for selective seniority service. Ever notice.....it's the FIELD CORPS who are always the first to exit? Why is that? Well, for one....the chains of bondage are broken by reality. The field corps SEE all kinds of avenues for advancement and UPWARD MOBILITY. The outside information helps to strip away the indoctrination day by day. THAT is one reason why wierwille called the corps grads back for "re-education camp" years ago. After about three to four years, vpw wanted to subject corps grads to more indoctrination.... all in the guise of learning from the teacher. What a bunch of bs. Corps grads have been exiting the program since the ZERO CORPS. Why? It's a zero-sum-game for the one caught in the snare. Every road leads to twi-dependency....just like they devise. Dependency leads to manipulation and guilt and twi-servitude. And, the modern-day Pharisees grease the wheels.

Wierwille's corps training was a peek behind the curtain. * The corps training was straight-up indoctrination. * The "spiritual maturity" rap is unbiblical and manufactured manipulation. * The corps program ushered in a permanent caste system in twi and dependency. * It had NOTHING to do with leadership. It was a get-in-line, followship program. * Wierwille was a cult-organizer.....nothing more. He was twi's deceiver-in-chief. Not once did I see any decision or action by wierwille that was revelation from God. Not one. Every meeting, every Sunday teaching was meticulously scripted to convey a certain outcome. Corps Week and Rock of Ages events became a two weeks of work and guilt manipulation. So, where are all the 3,500 corps grads today? What is the result of wierwille's spiritual "elite" corps grads? Scattered to the four winds. What happened? It was based on a faulty foundation. Not grounded in truth, love, family, reality, personal goals, direction, etc. A peek behind the curtain. What a seductive mind-trip twi was.

Yeah......celebrities, notables and deep-pocket donors. Under the *notables* category, I would highlight someone like Dr. Carolyn Rawl!ns. In her medical field, she had delivered somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 babies. She had a distinguished reputation and purchased a home near the Rome City campus. Can't remember if she was Recognized Corps or if she did a soft-stint, one-year inrez.....but whatever, she certainly didn't do any gruntwork or endure any face melting confrontations. Other notables would be the Lynn Sr. or Wineg@rner Sr. folks. Others come to mind....but you get my point. Now.....the deep-pocket donors would give way to the subtle forms of favoritism. Included in this group, would be Rosalie F. Shumate...er, Rivenbark, Linda McD_ffie, Moynih@ns, Freder_cks, etc. See, right from the get-go.....they get favored staff positions. Rosalie never went WOW, never took a field assignment, never ran a pfal class as far as I know. Yeah....the fast-track to the inner circle, baby. Respecter of persons? Not in twi...............pfffffftttt.

Yeah....what you said. How does a lazy, plagiarizing rural preacher get to the place where adulation awaits and follows his every move? Well, he crafts out a persona, a myth. Then, he works to deceive......he connives and insulates himself from accountability. IMO, wierwille studied the art of messaging (homiletics) and knew that crafting his image was task #1. 'The Teacher' sounded the best....since he had this stolen class from Leonard (in 1953). It lulled people in. 'The man of God' shtick worked good for this corps program and notched up the adulation, indoctrination factor. 'Father in the Word' was derived from vpw's teachings and, most notably, spoken by wierwille's enablers (lcm, geer). In wierwille's travels, he'd picked up on the techniques of marketing. Whether he learned these deceptive tactics from the world or the devil.....we may never know. But everything in twi was leveraged by wierwille's mystique. He "seemed" to have aspects of those five gift ministries (noted by ww)......but standing outside with a skeptical eye and scoring vpw on the merits of accountability and scripture, wierwille had NONE. The Scriptures do NOT say that ye shall know them by their words and fair speeches (sermons). The Scriptures SAY that ye shall know them by their fruit. And.....wierwille's *fruit* was THE FRUIT OF THE FLESH.

Can they spell.......h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y Graduate from the corps program......and GO ON STAFF FOR A LIFETIME. Pppfffffttt Coulter graduates from the 2nd corps and does the desk job at twi. Donna graduates from the 4th corps and divorces lcm and stays at twi. Rosalie graduates from Family Corps 3 and never goes on the field. Did any of them EVER put a class together? Did any of them EVER run a class on the field? Oh, yeah.....coulter 'witnessed' to lcm. Nice claim to fame there, Joe. Add....Linder and Fredr_cks to the mix. 8th corps grads who've been there since 1980. Yeah......prevail much? :biglaugh:

Joe Coulter, Donna Lomardi Martindale, Rosalie Rivenbark......If you were ON THE FIELD and receiving no paycheck from twi, would you still be selling wierwille's products? Get over yourselves. You COLLECT A PAYCHECK for working on staff. That's your duty to fulfill to your employer! NOW......why don't you go witnessing in Sidney on Saturday. NOW......why don't you go try signing up people for your current class? NOW......why don't you schedule time to help some people who are burdened? Oh, that's right......you're so spiritual that you get to sit in board meetings and pontificate. You have SO MUCH to micro-manage that it's exhausting. You've got the big chair to sit in with very little accountability to shoulder, right? After all.....the corps sign-ups are pathetic. The class enrollments are crawling. And, the sunday teachings are so BORING that no one comes any more.....BUT YOU KEEP DOING THE SAME THING, OVER AND OVER AGAIN. That's NOT genuine leadership.....that's authoritarian rule. Any thug can do it. And, have you noticed that the quality of people coming your way are the dependent, spiritual-welfare types? You know, the ones who have no ambition or direction in life and subsist to have you tell them what to do. Are you okay with this? Does this build your ego knowing that twi flounders in a cesspool of dependency? But hey......you've got a paycheck rolling in twice a month. What do you care if it grows or not?

I was never enamored with vpw either. Scripture was VERY CLEAR as to whom one was to revere.....and it certainly wasn't some plagiarizing preacher with a skewed doctrine on believing to fill your wish list. Lordy Pete.....ole vic sure led a lot of folk on a wayward journey, a cornfield cult.

Seems like vanity is on the rise......but probably not. Solomon....in the Book of Ecclesiastes notes this vanity in man. So, more-than-likely, ole wierwille hadn't cornered the market on excessive self-conceit.....but he sure acted like it. Even his wonder class, pflaugh, he admits that he didn't originate the content, but HE DID masterfully "put it together" so that it showed how scripture fits like a hand in a sock. Oh, the vanity of the elitists! They are everywhere. Religion, politics, academia, administrators, etc.....and the final word on the subject. Just ask them. Webster's definition of vanity.....1 any thing or act that is vain, futile, idle, or worthless 2 the quality or fact of being vain, or worthless; futility 3 the quality or fact of being vain, or excessively proud of oneself or one's qualities or possessions; self-conceit. If vanity was wierwille's north star, then I cannot trust ANYTHING in pflaugh......it all has to be thrown out and worked again, starting with John 3:16 For God so loved.... All of the material is suspect, because the man (wierwille) is suspect of moral character and integrity. But rather than work it to detect *bugs in the system*......I threw the WHOLE thing out. Vanity has a way of infiltrating. It spreads and contaminates and poisons. Yet, if we are of a humble spirit.....then humility leads us gently. .

Yeah......and one corps week (1983 or so?) the rain kept pooling ON TOP of a section of the main tent and rather than deal with the situation and announce for every corps person near THAT SECTION TO MOVE the speaker up front [lcm or walter, ??] kept right on teaching. The danger factor got intense.....a couple of guys got up on top of the tent and slit a hole in the tent to let the water out. The bigshots were numb-brained a-holes. Several corps below could have been badly hurt by this negligence. And, yeah.......wierwille's "law of believing" ppfffffffffftttttttttttt

At times, it didn't even have to be a screw up.....but rather, just wanting a different outcome. Why were the people responsible *for the believing* and NOT the "man of god for our day and time?" THE RAIN DURING CORPS WEEK. With wierwille and martindale on stage......the hypocrisy of it all to blame the corps for not believing to stop the rain. Why couldn't just wierwille believe to stop it? Or, at least.....the both of THEM? They were the bigshots.....the super-jocks in this spiritual athletic thingy. If wierwille believed it was God's will for the rain to stop.... And, since wierwille proclaimed that this "law of believing" worked with a mathematical exactness and a scientific precision (blah, blah, blah).... Then, he should have been able to believe to stop the rain, right? The corps were blamed to distract them from connecting the dots!!!

It seems to me.....at first, we were taught God's Word IS God's Will. The Word of God is as much God, as God is God. Same deal with man.....you are what you speak. Your words yield your confession of belief. Yet, later on......wierwille moved his doctrine to what he spoke WE NEEDED TO BELIEVE. In other words, it would only come to pass IF we believed it....??? Wierwille could speak something.....yet, WE had to believe it??? Isn't that a blatant perversion of the gospel? In Deuteronomy 18.....what the prophet spoke CAME TO PASS. Speaking it forth was NOT dissected into a two-part sequence. When the true prophet spoke.....it came to pass. To put the "believing" responsibility ON THE PEOPLE was a veepee doctrine. This smacks of a FALSE doctrine. ....the camp Gunnison restaurant never happened because we didn't believe it? ....the word didn't move over the world in the 1980s because of us? ....the campuses had to be sold because corps quit on the man of God? Ummmm, what about putting THE RESPONSIBILITY back on a drunken, chain-smoking, plagiarist sexual predator? How about THAT? You know, taking the scriptures at face value like in the Book of Proverbs. One is a drunk. One is diligent. Which comes out on top? Back-n-forth the Proverbs go.......do this, don't do that! Yet, wierwille did THAT.....the wrong stuff, the slothful stuff, the stealing-plagiarist stuff, the drunken stuff. And, wierwille was brazen enough to point his accusing finger at us. And, taught wrong doctrine to cover his failures and slothfulness.