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Jean-Yves...........in less than 50 days, you will be installed as the 4th president of twi. I'm sure that you and Michele are excited, and a little nervous, as this major transition approaches the horizon. What's next: 1) Will you be moving into the corps chalet ...er, president's home in the woods? 2) Will you be able to select or change twi-policy and issue directives to your cabinet members? 3) Will Rosie and Donna still preside in those cabinet meetings.....keeping close watch on your decisions? 4) Will you do a series of sns teachings to establish your new position and spiritual authority? The U.S. has just gone thru the democratic process of voting/selecting their next president......obviously, the twi-corporation has NO pretense of an "open process." Thus, there is no inkling of the possibility of 1) "a change candidate" or 2) "a status-quo candidate." Twi has all the machinery in place to RESIST CHANGE. Clearly, there is no such thing as a new president coming in and "making sure that the old trash gets taken out." It's just not going to happen. It's even more apparent.....knowing that you were hq-groomed for 28 years and had NO FIELD ASSIGNMENTS DURING THAT TIME to help clear your head of the cult indoctrination. So, Jean-Yves.......you are destined to preside over a no-change, status-quo, read-your-sermons, do-nothing-significant, hidden-from-view corporation. Sigh. In all honesty, does it really matter who heads up the thing......if everything remains the same? If all the pieces on the chessboard just keeping doing the same-old, same-old........then the president is nothing more than a figurehead. When one walks the grounds of twi, what are the pillars projecting.......the victor paul wierwille prevailing word auditorium, the founders' room, the trustees buried at the garden of living waters, the wierwille memorial, founders hall, etc? Will your "presidency" -- Jean-Yves -- be anything other than a footnote? Yeah, lots of questions, I guess.....lol. Will LCM be invited to headquarters to your installment as president? It must be quite ackward to acknowledge Rivenbark's tenure as 3rd president with a plaque in a distinguished place of honor.....without the question surfacing, "what ever happened to the 2nd president and his place of honor?" And, here's the real kicker........if the next president is ONLY a "status-quo" guy and its just MORE OF THE SAME, then for some [those who've been trudging down this rut for 25-35 years] will find this as an excellent time to exit. It happened when wierwille stepped down. It happened with martindale was ousted. It happened when Rosalie took the reins. And.....it will happen when you, Jean-Yves, become the 4th twi-president. The new cycle, to build allegiance to its next prez, doesn't really appeal that much to the older crowd. When they smile....you might think its "acceptance," but the staffers are smiling to keep their paychecks coming. Status-quo...........it's what cults do. .

....."complaining about the debt policy for the last 10 years." Complaining and murmuring that it's wrong.......and they still stay in twi? That is what some define as institutionalized......they just can't seem to break free from the onerous burdens that twi has heaped upon them, because their inner-core of respect, self-worth and determination has been systematically stripped from them. Amazing !! Those who WERE household fellowship coordinators and went ahead, against twi's debt-policy, to get a home mortgage anyway .......are dissenting and, basically, giving twi the middle finger on this issue. In other words, they are telling twi....."Go ahead, strip my authority to run those home fellowships, I just don't care anymore. My family and financial future and security is what's most important. And....you give every indication that you, the board of directors, are running roughshod over me." The twi hierarchy does not listen to their followers.......or God. Get out........NOW.

The cult caste system has to label and put them in little, designated boxes......it helps the administrators, the BODummies, feel like they are making headway. Same thing happened in 1995......after LCM inititated the "full-time corps" mandate. Some corps did not want to go full-time staff....they liked their careers and benefits/retirement package that it offered. Some corps didn't have the desire or drive to jump thru all the hoops that twi required to be full-time. SO......since they WERE corps grads, to label them "dropped from active corps" when they still wanted to be involved with twi [only at a lesser extent], martindale and co. devised the term "corps alumnus/alumni." See......these corps graduates were still "corps" but designated a notch lower, "corps alumni." Looking back, it all seems so juvenile......like a high school cafeteria and who can/can't sit at your table.

Thanks, T-Bone......that NIV translation seems to fit better. And.....yeah, "you should be ready to move in 24 hours" type-of-indoctrination. I've always considered twi's debt-policy "a coercive-contortionist exercise that only enables twi to exert its control over corps/followers." Back in 1981, The Way Credit Union sanctioned home mortgages and car loans thru the credit union.....only the LATER backtrack and started instituting the debt-policy. Why did hq-staffers get favored status to go ahead and get mortgages (yeah, I'm looking at you, Linder.....and Rowe, and B. Mason.....those security guys, to name a few) while field corps were NOT allowed? Just seemed to me that those annual corps placement meetings were a real dud when more and more corps were locked into a home mortgage and all.

When I stop to think about it........after your wedding in 1988, Jean-Yves, I probably didn't spend more than 5 minutes with you thru those years before I exited. The vortex at twi-hq sucked you in to their inner-circle where arrogance demands that upper-tier keep their distance, associations and conversations limited to those "they rule over." Trying to emanate the wierwille-mystique proto-type is the realm of deceivers, dicktators, and wannabes.

And.......that's the beauty of it. You decide -- I decide. Win/Win Much better than a distant authoritarian mandating the rules.

Yeah......why isn't twi TEACHING people to properly budget, borrow and leverage debt to their advantage? Could it be.....that they do NOT want to see people empowered and moving forward? Just seems that the more people advance in opportunities, careers, money-smarts, and life choices.......then, they exit twi altogether. And, yeah.....a mortgage has some risks, but living in a rental apartment/home in a less-than-better side of town HAS RISKS. And.....when that mortgage is paid off, happy days are here again. Woohoo !!

The new hierarchy in twi is running on fumes. Just more bureaucratic bullsheet......it keeps extending "job titles" to encourage involvement. Back in the early '80s, this is what was happening during Tom Kn-upp's tenure in overseeing Zaire, Africa.......those involved were continually seeking designated titles that gave them a leg-up over their peers. In oppressed societies, like Zaire.....followers seemed to relish having designated power that others around them did not have. Therefore, as the twig fellowships swelled to 40-60 people.....all kinds of titles where initiated to give the coordinator an inner-circle of "go-fers" to get things done. Heck, being a designated greeter was a big deal. Twi's debt-policy has to go thru all kinds of contortions to stay viable.

To spell it out......further When Pa-ul All-en found out that Craig Martindale was using his "spiritual authority" to have sex with Paul's wife......he demanded a face-to-face confrontation at Craig's office in the Corps Chalet and that Rosalie, then vice-prez, and John Reynolds, then sec-treasurer, be there. This took place late in the evening.....like 10:30 or 11pm. Reynolds tried to berate Paul and talk him out of it......but Paul was livid. So.....the face-to-face meeting happened. Martindale was seated at his desk, Reynolds and Rivenbark were there.....and John Linder, security patrol man, stool alongside the wall brandishing his glock 9mm handgun. Pa-ul All-en demanded martindale's RESIGNATION.......Feb 1999. Martindale balked and tried to bribe Paul with a job promotion if they could resolve this adultery [sex predation] quietly. NO WAY, NO HOW. Paul was having none of it.......Reynolds and Rivenbark sided with Craig and wanted to sweep in under the carpet. As things escalated.......Craig ordered Linder the bum's rush: to escort Paul to his dorm room in founder's hall, pack his things and get him and ferne off grounds within hours [in the cover of darkness]. By noon meal next day, martindale fabricated the story and told staffers that the allens were "possessed" etc. etc. [same drill used time and time again.] Within three weeks......Paul, a computer website guru, had Waydale up and running. The sole mission of the website, the forerunner of GSC was two-fold: To seek and destroy 1) The Way International and 2) Craig Martindale....... hence Waydale. Reynolds and Rivenbark were the sleaze that continued to cover for martindale.....until the lawyers got involved and strongly recommended that martindale be ousted for legal/insurance liabilities. So, the "man-in-tights-from-spirits-in-the-athlete" fame who had been salted and oiled by dikter wierwille himself slithered to Toledo, Ohio to a twi-owned house......trying to take him off-grid from one and all. No forwarding address. No phone listing. No one need ask questions....its NONE of your business [to hell it isn't !!]. See, that's the essence of all those dirty, little secrets at twi: You, little peon, have NO RIGHT TO QUESTION THEM. They can lie to you face, intimidate you into submission.......but when they utterly screw up, Reynolds and Rivenbark use every weapon in their arsenal to keep THEIR secrets. And......Reynolds and Rivenbark have been JYDL's mentors for the past 28 YEARS. Now, ain't his installation going to be a grand kick in the bucket? lol

I bold-faced the "28 years" in DWBH's post. 28 YEARS.......of monitoring from john reynolds, president's cabinet, and rosie/donna. 28 YEARS.......of delusion, deception, distortions, devil-spirit discernments and deference. 28 YEARS.......in the self-congratulating compound and echo chamber of elitism. 28 YEARS.......removed from the real-life, challenged and over-burdened followers on the field. 28 YEARS.......groomed more thoroughly than any other twi-president before him.

JYDL --- Just Yank Da Leash The Leash Gets Shorter

Jean-Yves found his "safe zone" in International Outreach......where he was nurtured into the cult-elite status. From 1988-1992, the trustees were still reeling from dem "fog years" as martindale continued to clear out the dead wood of corps grads who were less-than-enthusiastic to follow his lead, but hesitant to call it quits. Even though martindale desperately tried to assert his authority, there was a general malaise that permeated large swaths of followers. Then, the purges.......1) the loyalty purge, 2) homo-purge, 3) non-productive purge, 4) those-in-debt purge, 5) those who didn't believe "the word was over the world" purge, 6) full-time corps purge, 7) the bridge to the promised land purge, 8) martindale was going to teach new fnd/int/adv class series to replace wierwille's --- if you didn't get on board with this, then GET OUT [purge]. During these years, Jean-Yves came to the same crossroads of decisions as the rest of us: Eschew evil, confront it and walk away OR be loyal and subservient to the cult. Jean-Yves made his choice.....and was sucked into the cult vortex. The scriptures describe this seduction in a variety of ways.

Yeah.....managing a nostalgia group for older wayfers to feel like they were a part of something meaningful. I see your point. I guess, in some ways......I made the same point 3 years ago: The Victor Paul Wierwille Memorial Museum

What harm IS being done to those still involved? Well......1) TWI is anti-family. It splits and divides families----- example in recent thread, Getting daughter/son out of the way 2) TWI is manipulative, coercive and exploitive------later in life, lots of people regret the deceptive ploy. Loss of opportunities, stolen lives. 3) TWI is bondage, not freedom of true choice. Why do you think that wierwille selectively cherry-picked certain scriptures? 4) TWI does not allow open discussion or open questioning. You always know who rules over you, by who you are NOT allowed to question. 5) TWI incorporates modern-day phariseeism.......it oppresses the vulnerable and weak. Read the 4 gospels. 6) TWI operates under the guise of a non-profit organization.....yet, does NOT do charitable work in any sense of the word. 7) This is NOT about Jean-Yves, per se..........its about a shadowy corporation that hides its intent and masks its true nature.

The announcement that you, Jean-Yves, will be twi's next president has reached GreaseSpot Café. Knowing you from those early days in Quebec City, and your WOW year in Toronto.......I am not surprised that you rose up thru the ranks of leadership. Clearly, in your former years, you had discipline, drive and heart-felt compassion for others. When you were assigned to one of Toronto's WOW teams, I personally made sure that Rene and Sonia [ if I remember her name correctly] were in your WOW-family.....Rene needed extra attention being wheel-chair bound, and Sonia was so innocent, lovely and beautiful that I knew you'd be the right person to help them. And, after your in-residence year......I was honored to perform your and Michele's wedding in 1988. As twi continued to endure Chris Geer's call to "return back to the wierwille-indoctrination doctrine" with his arrogance assertions......twi went thru turbulent times, for sure. Martindale, Don and Howard were thrown back on their heels and were reeling in a defensive posture for a number of years. During this time, you and Michele were staffers at headquarters and saw much of the destruction of people's lives. Yes, for 28 years......you have been intricately ensconced at the upper-tier levels of twi-hierarchy and groomed by "leadership" at hq and therefore, removed from understanding the emotional, physical and spiritual abuse that has been thrust upon the followers. I am saddened, Jean-Yves, to see that you never connected the dots of this abuse and evil. The scriptures give us wholesale examples of how the Pharisees burdened the people with guilt, shame, and fear to maintain their positions of power. You see, Jean-Yves.......there are reasons why some 480 clergy and 3,000 corps grads no longer follow the doctrine or tenets of wierwillism. The mog-doctrine was a fraud perpetrated by wierwille to enrich his power base and control over the youth. Even back then, the older folk were abandoning him left and right......as even wierwille had noted that time and time again. And, when wierwille schemed to offer the sunset corps an "opportunity" to build a cabin at their expense at Camp Gunnison [that twi would later inherit upon that person's death]......NOT ONE ELDERLY CORPS PERSON bought into it. Notice how the elder corps were skeptical and suspicious of wierwille's shenanigans.....even though they were "corps trained?" Clearly, the days of Rosalie's tenure as president has been little more than manage the perceptions......after all, twi really doesn't have a research department any more, do they? And, the teachings are bland regurgitations that were scoffed at even by wierwille's pfal class renderings of religious veneer. Why would a "spirit-filled believer with all power" NEED to read his/her sermon? And then, is there really any full-sharing fellowship going on......or are people just going thru the motions? I think, if you were really honest......you know the answer. So....its not really a "Research, Teaching and Fellowship Ministry" is it? Perhaps, you will slip into the big chair and be able to make BIG CHANGES during your tenure......to elevate Jesus Christ in his rightful and honored place as lord, savior, and mediator between God and man. Perhaps......you will turn the ship 180 degrees and get back to true Christian values where believers are guided by holy spirit within. Perhaps.....you will be able to clean the ranks of arrogant and abusive leaders that have sat in their seats of power at headquarters for 30+ years. But if you are going to make any difference whatsoever......you will have to keep Rosalie and Donna from whispering in your ear on a weekly basis. All the best to you, Jean-Yves. Just know that "the power of that office" is not of any significance in the sight of God......UNLESS you use it for good, to unburden and heal the brokenhearted and those [still] in captivity. [Luke 4:18] .

Exactly right! The reason jean-yves was selected.......he will obey orders [from ros-a-lie and donna]. He has been watched, monitored and groomed for 28 years at the hq-compound while serving in the international outreach office and cabinet positions. He is the perfect foil for an "international ministry".......his age, family, and French-Canadian background with U.S. wife.......to be the next twi-figurehead to bilk the followers. The other candidates in the mix thru the years......pla-tig, mitt-ler, rey-nolds, ru-pp, mag-nelli, hor-ney, etc.....had potential to be prez, but also presented a **risk factor** that they might stray from the cult-orthodoxy and wierwille-idolatry. Even martindale, in his bold/offensive/klutz ways was moving away from the all-things-wierwille legacy. Ros-a-lie knows that twi's survival and legacy depend on keeping the wierwille legacy in tact........and jean-yves will obey, or else.

Yes........Chris Ge-er's poop paper made quite a stir, but his over-the-top bloviating was full of holes. Did all those people who climbed onboard with Geer ever stop to think about all the implications of what he said in that "Patriarch Paper?" Bad Decisions

Farewell Rosie!.........with your upcoming "retirement," hope you enjoy your 60th High School Reunion in 2017. Click Here -- Rosalie F. Shumate

T-Bone......my days of posting on GSC are drawing to a close. At times, when I think "....that's enough, I'm done" ---- you come along and spur me on with your appreciation for posting my experiences and insight. You know, I sometimes find it amazing that I had contact and personal interactions with ALL FOUR twi-presidents 1) Wierwille, 2) Martindale, 3) Rivenbark and soon-to-be 4) De Lisle. Not just a brush here or there......but actual experiences. Heck, my fiancé and I were invited to the wierwille home for dinner at the end of my interim year. I sat with wierwille on his motorcoach on three different afternoon sessions as I related my deprogramming experience to him....so that he could write his "By The Way" articles in the St. Marys Evening Leader. And, martindale performed our wedding......besides a host of many experiences and encounters with him. And, Rivenbark.....several occasions of interactions, and I helped bader one afternoon working on her home. And De Lisle......know him, counselled him and performed his and Michele's wedding in September, 1988. At this point in time, I know full well that WayGB know who I am.....and keep tabs on my posts. Heck, with Jean-Yves groomed to sit in the prez chair......anything I post will be sent directly to him from now on. Sad, really......that he succumbed to the fateful indoctrination that is anti (against) Christ and was unable to connect the dots. Whereas wierwille and rivenbark were calculating and deceptive to the core.....martindale and de lisle fell into the trap of believing the mog-doctrine [imo]. For that, De Lisle is the presumptive ploy by rivenbark to select him as president-elect. He's been headquarters-groomed for 28 years.

Go ahead......."suspect there was much more" all you want. I worked alongside him for about 14 months and was privy to lots of insight. And yeah, he wasn't the only one heading to Alaska.......Steve and Beth L0wder [family connections, iirc] were going as well. Career opportunities? Distancing themselves from twi? A combination of several things? Yep. Isn't that the way most of us make our decisions......a culmination of several things? lol

And further..... About 25 years ago.......I read this interesting article about "Clergy look for Alternative Careers." The article honed in on statistics that it took about 15 years for salaried clergy to call it quits. From what I remember, it cited that constrictions, the repetition, and the bureaucracy of church governance that compelled clergy to find secular employment elsewhere. 15 years. And, these were salaried employees. What about corps and adv class grads who do ALL THIS WORK for free....always in subservient roles? Just seems to me that there are certain types of people who like the institutionalized version that they wrap themselves around [i.e. twi's cult-centered version].......while others, like me, see the whole outfit as a constraining, deceptive thugocracy. When wierwille died, lots of folks bolted. Seemingly, they stayed around to "save face" and stuff like that. With Rosalie stepping down, will other leadership bolt?

I think Rosalie is sending you a special vip-invite and first-class ticket, penworks. You should have a front row seat.

Well......seeing other corps exit, limb coordinators and reverends no less, grabbed my attention early on. 1) In 1978, my limb coordinator Rev. John Cl@y [4th corps] was exiting twi......and didn't attend year's end roa. 2) In 1981, my department coordinator at hq, Rev. Mike Sm!th [1st corps] was making preparations to head to Alaska and distance himself from any more corps assignments. Howard Allen requested that he stay on until Living Victoriously was over [....and he did], and then promptly slip. Never saw him again. 3) In 1980, I spent time with Rev. Steve S@nn [4th corps] at hq. Wierwille coerced this field corps leadership to hq for "re-education camp" to kowtow to further training. Steve despised how wierwille used his authoritarian rule over them to humiliate and oppress. He couldn't wait to get outta headquarters.....back on the field. I pondered these situations and much, much more..........and couldn't help but see that proactive corps grads were NOT buying the wierwille spiel of "a lifetime of twi-servitude."

Yeah, T-Bone......."there's probably a lot of reasons for the mass exodus in '86......" Besides the deception, coercion, and the compulsion to "keep up appearances with our peers".......we just were NOT teenagers anymore. With spouses and kids in tow, and bills to pay, and growing responsibilities.......we outgrew the "go WOW, now" hype. Every year, the teachings were so damn repetitive. And, it became apparent that the whole thing was little more than a multi-level marketing scheme to sell soap and send monies to twi-hq.......and the only power manifested was that of obeying wierwille doctrine. The echo chamber became a "house of horrors" on Halloween night.....with screaming and gnashing of teeth.

Within the ranks of twi........their spiritual legitimacy and moral authority are waning. Sure, those of us who have been outspoken about this, and those who have been paying attention....have seen this coming for a long, long time. But, I believe.....with Rosalie stepping down at the end of this year, and anemic enthusiasm for advanced class grads to "come to headquarters and work on staff" promotions, and more corps refusing and defiant to walk in lockstep......the gig is over. Let the Wierwille Memorial Museum phase begin. And yeah, Jean-Yves is the next malleable president-elect to step up to the plate.....but who, really, will accept his authoritarian mandate to rule? He might have a cool-sounding "international name" to represent an international ministry (cough, cough), but that will hardly get enough mileage to drive to New Knoxville and back. Remember how wierwille pressed the masses to publically vow to follow martindale? And, how did that turn out? Just like back then......many will see this as a good opportunity to stage left. For sure, Rosalie and Donna will be close by to mentor Jean-Yves' every move and decision.....as they micro-manage his public persona. He is their investment. Their emeritus status and retirement depend on his benevolent adherence to the wierwille doctrine. Soon, Rosalie and Donna can travel at will together......to Chicago, to fine restaurants and wherever.....and to reappear at the Sunday social to support the auditorium adulation. That $64 Million is a nice nest egg to sit upon. Will John Rupp hit the road to find other opportunities? Will the region coordinators be "salted" to follow the new leader? The transition is a year-long process to weld new allegiance and sniff out the disrupters, the disgruntles and antagonists. But then again......how many staffers simply stay the course, because where else does a 63 year old go to find a new job? Steady as she goes......screw the outreach. Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care? lol