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Rebuild Twi: Each sts/corps teaching was geared towards moving on. Shake the dust from your feet and walk. Stop dwelling on the past. Besides, the smaller numbers seemed like a welcomed change from 2,800 at corps week, or 18,000 - 24,000 at roa. The machinery was not in place to monitor the followers........yet. Questions: I wonder if this smaller/closer "feel" is what fueled growth? When wierwille's numbers were small......did that enable loyalty and commitment to grow [1968-1974]..?? When martindale got knocked back on his heels......did these small numbers require him to "be nice?" When rivenbark needed to rebuild after lcm's ousting......was this a "kindler and gentler" beginning? When JYDL takes the reins next month........will he start out "nice, thankful and humble?"

Yeah......right about that time, March 1989, my wife and I could have easily stepped off that train. Things were moving quite slowly and the trustees were trying to gain their footing. Our kids were little and we could have faded away without a confrontation.....or backstabbing slander. Hindsight is 20/20.......but THAT would have been a good time for us to have escaped the madness that was to come. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Of course, martindale had to "explain" (i.e. rationalize, misdirect) why he, don and howard went along with geer......they, too, had let their guard down and were tricked by the adversary [a-ha.....here comes the spiritualizing]. Why......Geer had some daimon spirits [and lcm listed several]. AND.......cookie lovest3d, don&howard's secretary, saw, LITERALLY SAW, chris geer's face morph into dr. wierwille. See, those devil spirits will play with you, toy with you.....just to see how much they can get away with. Gawd.......I can almost still hear martindale's voice saying this. Ugh. So, with several weeks of "explanation" to corps and staff......the "Galatian tapes" emerge. Some of those still-loyal "research types" had submitted some of those Greek words [terasso -- sp?....Galatians, ch. 1 ] to add scriptural depth to how folks get agitated, all stirred up and are bewitched. See.....it fits !!! The Galatian tapes are mandatory for the corps and staff. Next, these tapes are a requirement for all field corps and solid advanced class grads. Rename them: Leadership Tapes [sounds much more inclusive.....and seductive, to those who deem themselves as "leaders"]. Schedule weekend in your areas.....take attendance, report back. Martindale was building back his confidence. See....he was adept at teaching on devil spirits. Lcm had danced in The Mog-in-Tights He had taught on "those born of the wrong seed" He had assisted in plenty of adv classes He was #2 prez.....and established how spirits infiltrate Naturally...........the next incremental step was to schedule martindale's NEW (bling, bling) advanced class at the Indiana Campus [1992/93]. Stack the deck.....er, support in his favor: 1) Wayne C. was there for "big" support, 2) in-rez corps to provide labor and zeal, 3) in-house, on campus.....those who came must support twi, those who stayed away caused suspicion, 4) Rah, rah......let's build the ministry again. Small incremental steps..........

March 8, 1989: When the trustees made that "formal announcement" that they were no longer in agreement with chris geer (and admonitions to "get back to the Word" with geer at helm).....it brought cheers and celebration to many. From what I remember, it was JP Wierwille himself (working as dept coordinator of shipping/receiving) who coined that day as "Independence Day at the Way." The pressure valves were releasing a tension and pent-upped stress.......heck, the trustees started being friendly again. For months, the sunday teachings were gentle, and simple, and caring. The 1989 rock of ages had the same approach.......slow-down, take time for others, appreciation. Heck, from the main stage.....the trustees displayed this thank-you message to corps, staff, and followers. Would this last? Would it take root? Would it grow? Maybe my recollections of this are fuzzy......my wife and I were on the field with two little toddlers just out of diapers. As young parents, we spent plenty of time watching the first baby steps, new words, love squeezes of pure innocence, and smiles that warmed our hearts. What was happening at twi was NOT our world......at the moment. Sure, we were involved and had relatives on twi-payroll......but everything seemed notched back to a slower pace. It felt good. We had corps friends in.......1) geer group, 2) lynn group, 3) wait-and-see group, 4) don't-care-anymore group, and GASP, 5) life-is-more-than-just-bible-study group. Many of our friends were in that young parenting group, as well. Kids' birthday parties, Chuckie Cheese, fun at the park, swimming, zoo visits, etc......yeah, life. For a change. But.......we still had this caring concern to help others. And, opportunities to serve came knocking. By the spring of 1991, I was in a better position to "serve." And, how does one best serve?......by opening your home twice a week to bible fellowship. More involvement, more opportunities......... The Game of Incrementalism One day towering corn was born They Thought They Were Free (the Germans 1933-45) by Milton Mayer From the book "They Thought They Were Free (the Germans 1933-45)" by Milton Mayer. One section, chapter 13, discusses how gradually the abuses of the Nazi's worsened, and how this was tolerated by the German people. "Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained, or on occasion, 'regretted,' that unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these 'little measures' that no 'patriotic German' could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field see the corn growing. One day it is over his head." .

.....or the leopard its spots

The Decade of Defiance......er, Defeat March 1989 --- Martindale defiant that twi will rise again (loyalty letter) March 1999 --- Martindale demise as lawsuits loom on horizon (1. Allen, 2. Parker)

This thrust of this thread is the 1989-1998 Timeline: Insanity on Steroids.........but, like a movie that fills in flashback information to augment the "martindale-led insanity," I felt a need to add some background material. While some have tried to make martindale "the fall guy" in all of this......I reject that verdict. The indoctrination and insanity of "doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results"......was wierwille's making. He cemented pfal as "The Word".....to reach the world with this class, "The Word" (cough, cough). He blurred the boundaries of genuine research and "re-research the pfal class." He (wierwille) wanted loyalists in his research team who would not challenge his work, his plagiarism, his private interpretation. Heck, look at the bizarre loyalist-reaction from Craig, Don, Howard, Geer, Walter, Johnnie, and others when John Schoenheit wrote a thesis paper on "Adultery." How dare that guy do "new research"....??? And, before moving onto the 1989-1998 period........another cornerstone as to how/why/when one is influenced or afflicted by a cult --- relationships. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Relationships: Social involvement and relationships are key elements in our lives. Maybe that's why I was required to take Sociology 101 my first semester at college, right?.....to help me transition into the broader spectrum of society and social structures. The dynamics and range are deep and wide........yet, every class and program in twi promoted tenets of insulation and isolation. The trajectory of my life was deeply influenced by several people......friends, co-workers, fiancé, spouse. No one in a cult is an island.......unless he's at The Beach. Sorry, it seemed funny when I wrote it.

Mitigating the damage: Thanks to all the GSC posters for telling your experiences and thoughts of twi. Thanks to the book authors of The Cult that Snapped, Losing the Way, and Undertow. Thanks to all you brave souls who are coming to GSC....and, perhaps, will someday post too. Thanks to all you parents who have warned your kids about twi. A special thanks to Pawtucket for keeping the doors open. Damage Control: Woe to those who conceal evil. Woe to the twi-leadership who swoop into states and areas to spread lies and mount a character-assassinate of the reputation of good, solid leaders who chose to exit. Woe to the hq-staffers who hide behind their desks for a pittance paycheck. Woe to the splinter groups who feed from the wierwille-mog trough. .

Chockfull......sounds like you experienced and observed the same martindale slash-tactics that Charlene describes in her book, Undertow, years before. The research personnel had "too much ego in it"......OMG, did that guy ever look in the mirror?

In the Fall of 1979.......twi-hq transitioned from EOB/BRC to -----> OSC Building. That's when headquarters moved higher in corporation status and mandates. Out was the brc-lunch meals and nostalgia for the old ways......twi was ramping up some serious speed in 1979. As way builders continued to complete the office space for that 600 ft-long building (two football fields long).....cut down the middle with the north side warehousing and the south side office/lobby/dining room space.....departments were moving in and some old-timers lamented that hq just didn't have the same feel to it anymore. I remember all this vividly. I was on my interim year in Way Builders.......and hung nearly every damn door on the second floor.

LOL......thanks, I needed a good belly laugh.

TLC......my postings are not about "animosity." As I've posted countless times, I believe there is exponential value in exposing how people are manipulated and exploited. Twi had some "good elements" in it.....otherwise, it wouldn't have enticed good, solid people from all walks of life. And, the longer one stays.....the more intertwined everything becomes (i.e. commitments, friendships, goals, marriages, loss of opportunity to rebuild, more indoctrinated, etc.). Waydale and GSC were very clear from the onset......"to tell the other side of the story." And WOW.....is there ever another side that wasn't told: sexual predation, adultery-romps, abortions, character-assassinations, bum's rush to girls that were raped, heavy-drinker wierwille, doctrines of error, research manipulation, etc.) Hundreds upon hundreds have come forward on GSC and thanked the posters for this twi-exposure. Years of hurt, guilt, shame, doubt, confusion.......WERE DISPELLED after reading about twi's underbelly of evil. It helped them to connect the dots......and mend the wounds. What you frame as "animosity".......I deem mitigating. First of all, I love to write (have you noticed?). Secondly, in view of promoting wierwille and twi for a couple of decades, I felt that my integrity of heart should set the record straight having experienced the "throes of battle." Heck, even ex-scientologists or ex-Jehovah Witnesses go to their websites and documentaries to expose the ugly cult doctrines. Maybe it's seated in a moral goodness to help mankind. .

TLC........start your own thread, please.

Yep.....martindale was a dickhead. Geer was a dickhead. And, wierwille was the dicktator of dickheads. That whole period of time, 1979-86,....when competent, talented men and women were committed to biblical research marked a huge loss of opportunity. Some had committed 12-15 years of their lives to study skills, languages [Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic], masters/doctorates.......becoming of age AND surpassing wierwille's research skills (cough, cough)......and NOW WERE A THREAT TO WIERWILLE'S STATURE IN TWI. The hemorrhaging AND purging on the research department started with wierwille. So many good, talented people were putting distance between themselves and hq.

Before martindale pushed the level to Insanity on Steroids........there still was "insanity" at headquarters. Okay, maybe "insanity" is a bit much.....but think about this: Why was the research department being marginalized, purged and under constant assault by wierwille? If the way ministry was truly (cough, cough) a "Research, Teaching, and Fellowship" ministry........why the purge? When I was on hq-staff in the time frame of 1979-1984.....the research department was A BIG DEAL. Not sure when "Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed" was released, but the research department held some of the "spiritual heavyweights" at hq. When any of these men and women walked the halls of the OSC.....they were highly respected [by me, for sure]. The buzz of this "new research" JCOPS was in the air. And, if I remember correctly, there was a time or two when one of the research guys sat next to wierwille (or walter) ON CORPS NIGHT.....as they broke new ground and taught it to the corps. Specific teachings were even inserted for corps and staff......."The Bethlehem Star." Heck, with the unveiling of this new book and research....even wierwille had to acknowledge and pay tribute to THE RESEARCH TEAM publically, and in the book. At this time, even wierwille could NOT hog all the praise and accolades. Later, in 1983.....wierwille was gearing up for "Harmony of the Gospels" to be taught at Sound Out '84 in Nashville. Once again, several on the research team were highly instrumental in all of this. I'm sure there are some posters here at GSC that know MUCH MORE about these specifics that I do.....but my point is that Biblical Truth, as best we knew, was what carried the zeal. At least, it was for me. And, the GMIR articles in The Way magazine.....good stuff. Some of these in-depth topics were written by corps grads in Chicago....working on master's & doctorate degrees. From 1979-1985......was the pinnacle of new research coming forth. And, added to this -- the Aramaic work by Charlene as detailed in Undertow. Yet, some of the great talent and minds were leaving twi. Why did twi systematically PURGE the research department?

Thanks, Rocky..........I appreciate that.

Prior to this 1989-1998 Timeline: When Geer came forward to read "The Passing of a Patriarch" at corps week in 1986......the first 30 minutes were so filled with arrogant bloviating that I found it hard to hear the rest. Lots of arrows were slung at Craig, Don, and Howard (trustees), and no accountability on wierwille's failures. None. Once again, wierwille was placed on this gold-plated pedestal of infallibility. And.......by this time (as documented in this thread), I'd already had THREE major encounters that seriously called into question wierwille's mog-hood. Geer told us that all the corps had failed Dr. Wierwille. I wasn't buying it for one nanosecond. Here's what Geer's bloviating sounded like........The Way to Blunder Onward Besides.......Chris Geer was in the 7th corps, my elder corps. He was assigned "faculty" (cough, cough) and taught a couple of classes to the in-residence corps. One class session, he taught on in-depth study of the scriptures.....and he made it clear that he and Barb, his wife, took every opportunity available to go to the campus library and listen and catalogue every sunday and corps teaching tape that wierwille ever taught. How could you even call yourselves way corps if you didn't do this? The guy was the most glassy-eyed, wierwille-zealot that ever passed thru the corps program, hands down! He was condescending and mean-spirited. So, no.....when "The Patriarch" paper was read, I knew that I was not going to follow the geer camp anytime soon. .

Yeah......but ALL of the purges imposed exclusionary "search and eliminate" missions, didn't they? Debt Purge......it hurt, altered, or eliminated one's desire for home ownership when housing market and purchase desire converged Corps Spouse Purge.....think about all those marriages that were conflicted or damaged from wierwille/martindale bullsh!t mandates Destructive/Harassing/Non-productive Purge....remember martindale's tirade on corps nights/ sts? What kind of evil resides at hq Full-time Corps Purge.....many corps did NOT want to be on twi's payroll; they wanted to keep secular jobs and STILL be active corps Bum's Rush Purge......corps girls, wives AND husbands that were thrown out because of vpw/lcm sexual predation Homo Purge.......and yes, this purging that started surfacing around 1977, or thereabouts ALL these purges were destructive and deeply personal to those involved. Lives were ruined; desires were shattered; futures were destroyed. That's what cults do. .

The depth of grandiose-stupidity in THAT ONE STATEMENT........should have cancelled wierwille's mog-card and stopped his entrance into spiritual pontificating. OMG.....why the man just opened his mouth and removed all doubt. It was THIS type of stuff that sounded like fingers on a chalkboard.......eeeeek. One man writing a book......would have CHANGED the whole country???? Heck, wierwille spent a lifetime and is an unknown. Rather than laud his efforts and his Lifelines........many of us, here at Greasespot Café, could easily put together wierwille's WTF-Lines.

Chockfull.......yeah, all that "suspicion jargon" was totally whacked. To me, that stuff reinforced my suspicion of martindale and stooges at headquarters......realizing that this mumbo-jumbo was adding to the lexicon of insanity. Yep, that July 1994 letter only solidified my resolve to "jump off this moving train".........thankfully, being 900 miles from hq-insanity gave me enough leeway from the constant monitoring. Sure, they could send out those faxes......but the trunk was dead to me, and I was standing out on a limb. Holy crap. LOL Those two years, 1994 and 1995.......I scheduled our annual limb meeting at a nearby lake. Since we had two guys in the state who had access to ski boats, we took advantage of this opportunity to break from the indoor/usher/seated setting. I envisioned the whole day as "fellowship" -- fun, laughter, children with parents having fun, beach volleyball, water skiing, grilling out, and just living life.....not twi's warped version of it. Of course, I sorta had to fudge my report back to the region guy......but I was in no mood to explain to him my style of "self-governing" in my state. Screw 'em.....if they were to find out. I was at the point where I really didn't care. If they pushed me off the train, so be it......I was planning to jump anyways. Although I preferred to exit on my terms.....my mind was set. It was only a matter of time. That whole "genuine spiritual suspicion" crap never computed to my brain cells. Clearly, there was NO biblical basis for it. How do you justify "suspicion?" Is it a manifestation? Should it be added to the other fruit of the spirit......love, joy, peace, longsuffering, suspicion (ppffffttt). Insanity on steroids was being injected....... .

Thanks, Rocky......good to hear. When I submitted my first draft to Dav1d Cra1ey......he wrote on the top of the page, "Unusually well written." My research paper.......The Perfection of the Lord: Lovingkindness, Judgment and Righteousness Jer. 9:24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

When to Jump: By the Fall of 1993, martindale was back in charge of the train and throttling it forward. Not sure about the first corps night when martindale went ballistic on "homos in the corps and on staff"......but I think it was around Feb-Apr 1994 when the sh!t hit the fan. Martindale was naming names on corps night and giving specifics on where these individuals were "caught, doing the act." And, then.....martindale wrote that July 1994 which gave license for GENUINE SPIRITUAL SUSPICION. "I taught recently here at Headquarters when we dismissed two people--one a Staff person and one a Corps person--that deep down in their heart they really wish that they could be homo again; but because the Word is so clear in the household, that spirit won't push them quite that far. That is why I've told our people here at International that no longer can we function on Dr. Wierwille's older standard that he told us Corps leadership years ago--that if we caught someone in the act, then it would be immediate dismissal--we can no longer wait for that kind of thing because the homo spirits in our midst are so subtle. Any GENUINE SPIRITUAL SUSPICION should be pursued by you.......[July 1994 letter]" What about corps principle #1.....you know, that acquiring an in-depth spiritual perception? Martindale was NOW overruling wierwille's foundational corps principles (cough, cough) with a spiritual upgrade, Genuine Spiritual Suspicion. Really? Suspicion is now in the category of "walking by the spirit of God?" I was not buying it. The following month, at the roa......the northwest region coordinator pulled me aside and told me that an intermediate class grad was moving into my state, but be wary because thought the guy was, possibly, a homo. I challenged him on his assessment.....the conversation got testy.....and he abruptly said, "Well...he's coming to your state so he's your problem now." And, several months later.....the guy showed no signs, no desire of homo involvement or whatever. Gawd, the way martindale handled this whole subject was bizarre and asinine. "I remember years ago Dr. Wierwille saying that if Dav1d Cra1ey had really taken a stand on homosexuality in his book (The Hope of Glory: In Search of the Light), we would not be having the rampant epidemic of homosexuality on the college campuses and in our country today." At the time, I strongly refuted wierwille's accusation (in this letter)......and considered it bogus ever since. Why was wierwille NEVER held responsible for anything? Blame, blame, blame.......always deflecting "spiritual" responsibility. Always the corps' fault. What a bunch of bullsh!t. Dav1d Cra1ey was my research advisor.....assisting me on my research paper. Don't know where he ever ended up, but I had nothing but admiration for his assistance and compassioned concern. I think he was the editor-in-chief over The Way Magazine at the time.

Life was good BEFORE twi....... Whenever wierwille would boast about twi/pfal.......it often, stirred up memories of my sports background. Whenever someone was inserted into a game, or hogged the ball and spotlight in a basketball game.....we had this term glory-grabber Guess I've always had deeper roots and feel that my rural background defines who I am.........not some cult. It was a detour, yes........but finding my way back to who I really am was there all along. .

Defining Moments in Time: I grew up on a wheat farm six miles from a small, rural town. Our farm house was small and my three brothers and I slept in the basement with concrete floors.......and the winters were bitterly cold. But life was good. My kindergarten class was in a country schoolhouse four miles northeast and grades k-8 numbered around 32 students. Yes, a country school house......and I chuckle to myself, "How old ARE you?" And, no......I didn't walk to school, barefoot. (haha) I still have a framed picture of those 32 students, with my three older brothers, from that little country schoolhouse. The next year my parents made the decision that we would start going to the public school in town, because the school bus drove right by our house each morning and studies, along with team sports, would help expand our growth. Besides the wheat farming, we had corn and alfalfa to irrigate. I was nine years old when my dad thought I was ready to drive the tractor in the field, alone. The fact of the matter was largely due to size not age; when one foot could reach the clutch and the other foot the brake, I was "ready." But hey, I didn't mind.....it made me feel needed and raised my status with my older brothers. The irrigation of the corn and alfalfa took on whole different aspects to manage. For a number of years, we had some cattle and hundreds of sheep. I learned a lot about sheep that embedded deep impressions when, years later, I delved into the scriptures. Life on the farm was a load of challenges and plenty of hard work, but it opened up whole chapters of fond memories of wholesome living. Along with school activities and team sports (football, basketball, golf and track), we were involved in 4-H and I snagged several blue/purple ribbons for my black angus heifers. As farm kids go, we had our share of B-B guns and birdshot to ward off pesky sparrows and vermin attempting to nestle into many of the outbuildings. The first weekend of November each year marked the opening season for pheasant hunting......and, for years, we had relatives who came from out-of-state to join us. Later in life, my dad and one brother spent ten years of time, effort and investment raising 1,000 pheasant and 1,000 quail chicks, each year, [and 80 acres to habitat preservation] and turned them loose in the county....all on his own dime, anonymously. Growing up, we lived 22 miles from the largest lake in the state......so there was water skiing and fishing to be had. Of course, farm work was definitely six days a week, so this wasn't like weekend after weekend. There was work to be done......and my dad started his day, every day, at 4:30am. He did not look favorably on us boys if we were still in bed after 6am......"sleeping in" [anything after 6am] was cause for a stern look. Thinking back on those memories, I recall that phrase....."Tough times make for tough men." I suppose there is some truth to it. With all our diligence and hard work, more prosperity followed......and years later, when all three brothers were off to college and beyond, I traded in my 350 Honda motorcycle for a new 900 Kawasaki [4 carburetors, 112mph in 1/4 mile]. Fast times.....and lots of high school dating. My senior year, our football team was #1 in the state in class C division football. An undefeated season. I played starting halfback on offense and defense. Life was good and fun and memorable. In the spring, I decided to go out for track....even though I'd been on the traveling golf squad my junior year. My track coach was thrilled, my golf coach shrugged. Amongst several events.....100 low-hurdles, 220 yd dash, long jump.....I found a place in the mile relay [each of the 4 guys runs a lap, 440 yards]. We broke the school record three times.....and came in 2nd in the state finals [a school record that held for 28 years]. The following year, I headed off to college......to major in business administration. I really enjoyed the marketing classes my second year, but also had this growing interest for spiritual/biblical truths.......and then, months later, a guy with a nametag who told me he was a "wow-ambassador." Two months later I took pfal.......and repeated pfal class twice more. After the spring semester ended, I dropped out of college........to go WOW. In many way, my recruitment was similar to Charlene's account in Undertow.......change the names, locations, dates......but the recruitment tactics and deceptive marketing of pfal/twi was the same. I was led to believe in "biblical research" and that by God's grace, I could walk circumspectly with that Christ-within spirit. So much of twi's ploy has a basis of truth.......but the "bait and switch" is hidden from view. Systematic and subtle indoctrination. I, too, could write a book......but it would have much of the same content, same guilt/shame/fear cult tactics, warnings from family/friends, conscious and subconscious red-flag warnings, and escaping from deceptive cult. One of the things that I've always contemplated is.......leaving twi is like jumping off a moving train. You know, at some point, that you don't want to go to that destination [an idolatrous end]. You want off.....but you also have a wife and kids in tow. Yeah, I'm ready......are you? Uh oh, the wife is not sure......now what? You can't voice your plans to jump, because others on the train will tell their supervisors....and confrontation will mount from all sides. All those inter-personal relationships.....your "friends" and co-workers, your wife's, your children (activities/friends/school)........when do you jump? Where is there a "soft landing?" Who will be hurt? How will life change? Maybe, I'll write a book entitled, "Just Jump"

Reporting back became one of martindale's constant-drumbeat mandates during those 1993---> corps meetings. When leadership gave a directive, an order......then, follow-up and report back, damnit. The heavy-handed oppression was coupled with micromanagement submission. Why? Reporting back kept the corps in subservient obedience......closely tethered. Authoritarian leaders have a pathological need for control. Martindale did NOT trust the corps to lead and/or serve. All 5 corps principles are slick-sales marketing. Strong leaders know how to select and train apprentices......and successful leaders delegate. During my 24-year tenure in twi, the corps program is not a leadership program.......it's a followship program. Wierwille instilled a "training program" that was the antithesis of his tweaked corps poem. The corps program was suffocating, stifling, oppressive and ensnaring. Gag me that that ".....deeply springing powers of a believer" crap. Sheesh. After watching that latest scientology episode......I'd say that twi was its first cousin. Twi never was a tree.....it was a pyramid. And, wierwille was buried in the tomb of rats.

It took Paul All3n and Waydale to blow the lid off martindale's predatory world. Even the 1998 advanced class sexcapade did NOT inflict enough damage to stop or disrupt martindale's sexual predation. Not Rosalie. Not Donna. Not John Reynolds. Not John Linder. Not Wayne Cl-app. Seemingly, everyone (that knew secrets) at the top-tier levels of twi was turning a blind eye to martindale's roaming sexual appetite. The sex and "adultery" was STILL deeply rooted at the way international..........until All3n/Waydale and lawsuits. BUT.......the 1998 advanced class sex scandal helped to open the doors for my exit.