skyrider

~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Make no mistake...........GSC is only a small part of my life. Thru the years, I've gone long stretches of time without walking thru the doors here.......rebuilding my life, my family, business, and helping two sons thru college and one thru med school. These past 18 years have been a busy stretch of time......and along the way, in real life, all those situations and people in my life have heaped enough bushels of wheat to fill a truckload of blessings. I have continued my patronage at GSC because I believe in its mission. It matters not a whit to me what someone else might THINK of my involvement on this site. Although its but a very small part of my day.......my purpose is to help extricate as many as possible from the way international cult. People around the world gather into organizations or causes that they believe worthy to help mankind. Whether its church, or community, or one's neighborhood association......political, environmental, or human right's causes.....or MADD....people join in because it's personal OR they believe its cause will personally benefit the generations to follow. And, clearly......one doesn't necessarily go thru life with just ONE banner to carry. Many of us have learned how to multi-task. lol We gather around this GSC platform,..... because numbers attract attention to spotlight and generate impact. Here......we expose the cult that, temporarily, derailed our lives. Personally, having been a clergyman in all this.......I feel an extra obligation to help mitigate the damage of the cult. That 1985 TWI Clergy Roster lists the names of nearly 350 clergy men and women........of which, less than a dozen have ever come forward to expose AND help extricate others. Three or four of them......were of little help in rolling up their sleeves. Martindale increased the clergy numbers substantially ...... from 1993-1996 another 390 clergymen were "salted" to the cult. So........to ALL these clergy that exited, where are you? And, to the dozens upon dozens who put out their shingle of "The First Church of the Wierwillites"..............woe unto you. Corps and hq-staffers have, also, exited the cult doors these past 40 years. Many of them carried the banner of the cult into their home fellowships, weekly bible studies, and Facebook postings even to this day. Even John Lynn came to GSC years ago and claimed that "wierwille would be proud of him" for still holding this "truth" high. The polar extremes of exiting this cult are still reverberating into the next generation. And so it is....... But GSC is here......to tell the other side of this cult. .

The Cult Had Double-Standards: The elites had a different standard than the shlubs. In July 1982, wierwille's two youngest children were getting married. JP had graduated from the 10th corps and his sister Sara (8th corps) were in a double-ring wedding ceremony at hq. Wierwille was in his glory. After the double-ring ceremony, there was a big celebration on the blacktop in front of the wierwille home. Live music. Kegs of beer. Open bar. Some were tipsy. Many were in various stages of "drunkenness." Hey,........leeeeeet's party! And, so it was. In Oct 1982, wierwille was stepping down from 40 years (cough, cough) of being twi's president. Lots of fanfare. The wierwille family and extended family were paraded across the main stage in the Big Top tent.........The Wierwille Heritage. So, yeah.........the family issue and wierwille's derogatory insinuations in corps teachings regarding "earthly family" came front and center in my mind. How Convenient....... for him to have this "family inclusiveness" but not us. Mrs. Wierwille's sister, Dee Fisba*gh was, for years, the mayor of New Knoxville. Heck, an estranged brother or two of the wierwille clan seemed to be wandering the grounds. If your status was tied to the wierwille namesake......you got a pass. You were in. Double standards were everywhere...........and so was "the duality of life" for all the corps and advanced class grads, most notably. ~~~~~~~

Cleary, nearly everyone the world over......going thru life or reflecting back......experiences "the duality of life." Whether it comes in the form of race or creed....or inter-marriages from different countries, the range is vast. But, here at GSC......we delve into the aspect of the cult, the way international ....... and in dealing with its aftermath, I see it imperative that we venture into Cult Survivors: The Duality of Life. ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ My Background: Growing up in Midwest USA, on a farm.......family was deeply inter-connected. My Dad's parents lived less than 30 miles away and my Mom's parents lived less than 10 miles from our home. Since my dad was the oldest of the four siblings and my mom seven years older than her brother.......my family, us siblings, were the "older" cousins in the bunch. And further, at large family reunions.....we had ongoing relations with our second cousins. Today.....who even talks or considers "second cousins?" Even my two sons would probably look at me and say,......"what?" I have a picture of me sitting with my maternal great-grandmother. In this picture, I have a full beard.....and she was around 84 years old. My great-grandmother lived another seven years (91) after that and a heritage of five great-great grandchildren taken to see her. Then, my maternal grandmother.....she lived to the ripe age of 97. She, too, lived to see a fourth generation behind her.......great great grandchildren. My mother passed away at age 86......but she saw 14 of her great grandchildren. Whereas, my wife.......never saw near "the depth of family" that I experienced in my youth. Her mother was a widow raising three kids......moving from place to place. My wife's father, a marine, died at age 54.....when my wife was 16 years old. So..........suffice it to say, my wife and I come from very different backgrounds. Then,.......compare that to our two family's backgrounds. No one in my family ever took pfal. Whereas, my wife in her mid-twenties took pfal, etc.......and her sister and mother followed (the one brother stayed ensconced in his tennessee church). Fast forward and up the twi-ranks......my wife and her sister traveled. Later, the sister re-married a harvard graduate.......who later became twi-clergy, and is a splinter group clergyman to this very day. Three of their kids were corps grads......all three left the cult, and none of them or the other siblings associate with twi or the splinter group. So, yeah..........there's quite a bit of "duality" swirling around the skyrider "cult-survivor" world. ~~~~~~~

Good points, Rocky. Here we go again. Another rodeo at GSC........another troll hiding in the shadows of inference and innuendo. Notice this person NEVER gives any information or substantiating facts about their own life, but follows around a poster trying to sow discord. Gawd..........thru the years, we've seen lots of these. Most often, there is a wierwille-apologist nostalgia underneath the cloak. Perhaps, TLC would like to share what *really* is behind his posts and why he comes here? Or.......watch folks, another side-diversion coming in 3-2-1...........

Insert: My cult-assertions of wierwille are most notably from 1977-1985. As wierwille entered the sunset years of life, his real self came of age..........drunkenness, sexual predation, cult abuse and extreme character-assassinations and smear campaigns for any and all top-tier dissenting corps/clergy. This was wierwille's authentic self.....one that he hid for decades.

One more thing........ One of my purposes for this thread is......to unravel the cult experience GOING FORWARD. Memories and associations......the cult vs my personal involvement. Marriage and children..............the duality of it all Parents/Grandparents..............the rippling effects of a cult Cousins and/or other cousins? Cults break things......all those cult-relationships became absorbed in a blob. .

Yep.....................Wierwille's Binary Fixation.....ie dichotomy More later,..... its 3:30am......time for bed.

The cult was formidable in not allowing both to co-exist in continuity or harmony. All the dots connect back to wierwille. The cult was formidable in NOT allowing both......1) personal life and 2) "ministry" involvement......to co-exist in continuity or harmony. Why? Because wierwille had set down those markers in his teachings and classes......"spirit is thicker than blood".....followed by derogatory jabs of "earthly family." Cunningly and strategically, a wedge was driven to separate me from my past life......my background, my upbringing, my friends and family. With each step further into this cult-forest, it became harder to find one's way back. Time and again, wierwille inserted a duality......two parts......1) good and 2) bad. Of course, your "earthly family" is only good.......IF......they, too, take the class and join the cult.......so that everyone in your family can go wow, corps, and gather together once a year at the roa. Remember that 1977 film "Changed" and the Strauhal Family being so intricately re-connected because of the cult.......filmed by Bud Morgan. No. More. Duality. The. Family. Was. Now. All. Together. In. The. Cult. Just thinking about that "Changed" film......gives me the heebbiejeebbies. The strauhal family all took pfal.......and presto, the family united. Harmony. In. The. Home. The WOW commitment stated it upfront.....NO leaving the wow field and going home for the holidays. And, it was damn near impossible to even be "given permission" to go to your grandmother's funeral. How f**king benevolent of them. OMG. And, the corps indoctrination was laced with countless teachings on keeping your hands to the plough and don't look back. Stay salted. Heck, it was outright implied that being with your parents at Christmas could get you possessed. Be strong. Stay vigilant. Just don't let anyone talk you out of this cult......er, the word.

Cult Survivors: The Duality of Life Those of us who have extricated, or are still in the process of extricating, ourselves from the cult entanglement of the way international know all too well the challenges we've overcome and still need overcoming. We are cult survivors......having the resilience, fortitude, and perseverance to reclaim our individual sovereignty. The cult experience may have grasped chunks of years from our lives, or disconnected us from precious family relationships that took years to repair, of which, many never did, or stole careers, opportunities, and dreams from our lives........but hopefully, should not and/or will not define us. Here at GSC, we gather to share our stories and reach out to help others and in doing so, help ourselves as well. Our mission is to "tell the other side of the story"...... In some ways, I think that I've contemplated this twofold reality since 1981.....when I was faced with that crossroad's decision, my fiancé or my parents/family [i.e. - future vs past]. The cult was formidable in not allowing both to co-exist in continuity or harmony. That extreme position defined it as A Cult. Thus, from that moment during my deprogramming..... or now, viewed as cult-intervention........."the duality of life" was embedded, and there to stay. My cult experiences hold "places in my heart" that I deem personal moments. Yes, I was in a cult, but in these snapshots, the cult is not there. Also, I was listening to the "music" that moved me..........to "live and move and have my being." [Acts 17:27,28] And, when children entered our lives.....I could not totally regret my cult involvement, else I wouldn't have my wife or these two unique sons. More later.........but a h/t to chockfull. .

More Details On This: These corps notes were NOT just random, sketchy, drooled-on notes......scribbled during martindale corps-indoctrinated meetings. Craig's sister, kerry.....corps grad in tulsa......in former life, a paralegal, could type 135-140 words/minute and would sit during corps meetings and, type word-for-word that came from her brother's "teachings." He was "the mog" dontchaknow. Then, these notes were photocopied and she handed me these corps notes week after week. So,........anyways, four of those five years worth of notes I sent to Paul were transcribed in every sense of that word. Now, picture this.........imagine that the allen lawsuit would have gone to court. And, paul allen's lawyer stood up and read verbatim from those corps notes.....to give the court Exhibit A, B, and C of this cult, its indoctrination, and cult-predatory influence over paul and f3rn allen. Craig would have heard HIS OWN WORDS read back to him and incriminate him...........his own corps teachings transcribed by his sister.

Going back to some of those old threads...........one gets a glimpse of all the posters who came forward to tell their stories. Just imagine.................What if.......there were no GSC Discussion Forums? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A Thundering Round of Applause..........For..........Paul Allen~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hey JYDL.......In case you missed it, I wrote you an open letter and posted it on GSC.......and DWBH, wrote you one too. ..........................YOU are at another crossroad. ~~~~~~~ .

Just wanted to revisit this thread.............and say again...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you, DWBH.......... For the past 18 years......i.e. Waydale/GSC........you have shown impeccable integrity towards spotlighting twit's doctrines of error, their culpability, and vehement resistance to come clean. And, to me, personally.........you've offered support, strength and kindness in every possible way. I have no words but to deeply thank you for it. At every step along the way, you've never divulged my identity or confidences....unless I provided it. IMO.....YOU are "the real deal." You stand head-and-shoulders above any of those listed in your post (below).....OR all the others in that 1985 clergy listing.......and I knew most everyone of them. Some of those men (and women)......like Dr. L0nnell J0hnson and others......exited rather quickly and moved into lives and careers that, if they'd spoken out, it would have been of great detriment to their careers,.....thus, for them, I understand. And, according to my count.....22 of these clergy have deceased. But OTHERS ........would coward away and/or used their positions to further exploit the deception for filth lucre sake and donned the mantle to lord over others. But you, DWBH.......are NOT like them. To me, you are likened unto those who heralded the days that would come.....yielding a rise unto David, a righteous Branch, and a King that would reign in the eternities. You are STILL standing tall.....still in there, giving "jeremiah-esque" warnings like thunderclap.......to the likes of Monsieur de Liar. I commend you far, far greater than my own brother-in-law who, to this day, STILL holds to wierwille-doctrine and has been instrumental for over 20 years in a top-tier role as wierwillite-clergy in a splinter group. May the Lord have mercy on those corps/clergy who have not turned from this wickedness and, thus, have blood on their hands. With most humbled thanks, skyrider

Yeah, waysider..............ain't that the truth. When I saw that scientology "Going Clear"..........eight or nine months ago on HBO....... .....the Haggis/LondonOnt association triggered thoughts of having lived there 30 yrs ago........that's all.

Hey JYDL.........Mr. Canadian...........Check out this documentary...........see any similarities.......?? Gawd..........the inter-weaving connectivity of it all........... Paul Haggis.............introduced into scientology..............in London, Ontario, CANADA Skyrider...................on twit-assignment & outreach........in London, Ontario, CANADA For three years.......my wife and I lived at 1496 Geary Ave.....in London, Ont. .

Gawd..........the inter-weaving connectivity of it all........... Paul Haggis.............introduced into scientology..............in London, Ontario, CANADA Skyrider...................on twit-assignment & outreach........in London, Ontario, CANADA For three years.......my wife and I lived at 1496 Geary Ave......in London, Ont. Scientology.........a series of purges...........started this thread on December 9th......... Charlene's book, "Undertow" and scientology documentary ........that's why I decided to tell my background story of cult. .

..........any reason why 297?

"..........and 297 knife wounds in the back. " LOL

Notice: If you read of skyrider's obituary .....and it states "mysterious bullet wound in back of head".........just saying....

...........damn, repressed memories coming alive......... ...........all the relationships, associations, connections..........and NONE came to our defense ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Insert: Background Info: Listing of Other "Top-Tier " The depth and scope of relationships and involvement is listed below. My wife had her set.......as well. Thru the years, I had brushed shoulders with nearly all "top-tier" except harry wierwille. I was on WOW years.....he died in Fall of 1977. Some names will be masked with anonymity.....more that martindale/trustees gave my wife and me when our names were smeared FAR and WIDE to all the corps household across the country in 1998. NONE of those listed below ever called us again. ~~~~~ VP Wierwille..................as documented here and here. Also, escorted mrs. wierwille 3 times in dallas. Ermal Owens.................time at their trailer, escorted mrs. owens........and I was last person digging ermal's grave. Don Wierwille.................at don's & wanda's home after "cult intervention"......and around him & his mother in dallas. Howard Allen..................both my wife and I had close dealings with him. Howard walked my bride down the aisle. * Craig Martindale.............needs no explanation.....documented here. Chris Geer......................many experiences, in timeline thread......stood alongside geer during 7th corps mass-wedding event in Emporia Rosalie Rivenbark..........associations/involvement with high country caravan & warehousing department John Reyn0lds................much background, came to OKC for mother's funeral...he was sec/tr-elect....later, trustee '98 Harve P1atig...................9th corps, we worked side-by-side at Kenyon Auditorium......Harve, rosalie's vice-prez (then ousted??) Roger Mittl3r...................6th corps, knew him from my interim year in way builders....one of many in "vice-prez parade" John Rvpp......................17th corps (?)......he replaced Mosqu3da.....became TX limb/reg guy....trunk and one of vic-prez Steve L0ngley.................11th corps (?) ** .....married Meg (9th corps).....Meg and I were in same corps in-rez twig David Chav0ustie............bad act *** (listed below) ....... no respect for the guy, evah! John Lind3r.....................8th corps, lots of situations,.....known as, imo.........the guy in the shadows with his 9mm glock handgun Gary Fredxxxx.................8th corps, lots of situations,....top legal twi-guy......in-laws w/ $$$$.....help build his back deck at his home Nancy H3arne.................9th corps, RIP, deceived friend, daughter of Ira & Ora........Ira was vpw's "man" of Kipp Farm operations ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~probably more, if I cared to dig deeper~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Asterisks: * Howard was tipsy...with alcohol breath....in the back room of BRC.....40 minutes before walking my bride down aisle. ** Steve L0ngley........later, one of the "new teachers" of class after martindale's wap went down in flames. *** David Chav0ustie......no respect, what an a$$ (maybe he changed)......History: my 1st wow year and I'd spent 3 weeks witnessing and working with two syracuse university girls (students, and pretty).....anyways, big build-up for weekend coffeehouse event and after 15 minutes of music, chav0ustie came onstage and made an a$$ of himself.......those two girls I had "invited"........split out the door real fast!! [ In hindsight --- good for them!! ] This guy, too, became one of the "new teachers" of fnd class. lol Question: Wasn't Rupp......also, one of the 3 guys to teach new fnd class? So, yeah............wished I'd have stopped digging MY OWN GRAVE.....(and ermal's)........in July 1981. By then..............I had my bride at my side............and we could have jumped in my car and SPLIT. .

Yeah, hg30..............and hopefully, OTHERS who've just exited the cult. That's what Waydale was like........back in 1999. Red-Hot Information..........as more hit the exit doors !!!

Hey JYDL... Any day now......you will get to stand at "the microphone" of twi......with the power to use your words to help influence or change minds. Being the 4th twi-president, thousands will listen to you......and, I suppose, fall in line. Here at GSC.....perhaps, I will see if the GSC-community want to hear any more of what I have to say. I don't know if it's "in the thousands".......but lots of people just might want to hear the other side of the story.....that's the mission here, if you haven't heard. In your personal card to me........you said "What a great blessing it was to spend time with you in Dallas!".......Thanks, I accept that as a compliment. I have another card somewhere around here from John Reynolds complimenting me......after his mother's funeral. I might dig it out, too. ~~~~~~~ You know, Jean-Yves.........when you were a WOW-coordinator in Toronto, you had compassion on the three others....and you did run a small class, maybe two. And.....you were a good follower......but no "walk-by-the-spirit" leader. NOT ONE THING.......can I remember about your year in Toronto that "popped with any spiritual pazzazz. So, it looks like you get to be "installed as twi-prez" because you faithfully followed rosalie's directives and dictates. lol ~~~~~~~ Recently, I've gone back and documented some of my history with wierwille and martindale. Both men.......imo, should have done prison time for sexual predation and abuse. Wierwille .......had his thugs give lots of girls "the bum's rush"....w/ damage control.....and died before his sins/past saw a courtroom. Martindale......well, 2 lawsuits had to be settled out-of-court (All3n & Park3r).......and martindale skated away with a "lifetime pension from twi." And..........look at Rosalie's past record. The link is in the previous post. Gawd..........you must be SO PROUD......to be following in these steps? More later.................

......in late-September of 1998 (a month after we exited).......... I received in the mail another "invite" to attend the November 1998 Advanced Class Special.......................to AGAIN..............be Mrs. Wierwille's escort. ~~~~~~~ Yeah, Twinky.........just picture it........"Hi. Mrs. Wierwille, I hope you don't mind if my spirit-friends accompany us today,..... Mr. Necromancer and Ms. Lust...."

Twinky..........thanks for the coffee. I better sip real sloooooooooooooooooooowly. I'm sure you caught my drift..... TWI was able to SMEAR, LIE and DEFAME our names all across the country.......via corps night phone lines. Yet, we don't do that here at GSC.....nor do we have to invoke everywhere. We can just speak facts and truth about them!!! Like.......we did with...........rosalie f. shumate.

The actual date doesn't matter to me......it sidetracks my questions. I'd like some answers..........I can handle the truth ( h/t .....to movie "A Few Good Men") .