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Lots of jumbled assertions and accusations in that paragraph. "you folks want the dirty laundry"...........nope. I want to dismantle the wierwille-mystique and the cult's power to "steal, kill and destroy" others. "an entrusted person, a confidant".........how else would someone be privy to inside information? "it dirties the concept of loyalty, friend or foe".......umm, MRAP have you ever read about the Apostle Paul, a Pharisee of the Pharisees? "evil or good, I despise a breach in loyalty"...........wow, guess everyone who leaves a cult should cower and slink away, huh? Since I started this thread.....let me repeat the gist (first post) of why write "a tell-all book".... Secrets that could bust the wierwille-mystique once and for all? Secrets that could enlighten the geer power-grab and fog years? Secrets that could rattle the martindales and craig's buy-off? Frankly, I could care less about hearing any more of wierwille/martindale/twi "dirty laundry"........who really cares to hear more about seducers and seductresses? about three-somes in Dayton motels, corps girls abused and/or raped in motor coaches? about Cabin 12 at camp gunnison and the set-up wherein corps coordinators made sure martindale was provided privacy and access to selected in-rez girls? What about "the loyalty" to the faithful followers who think (cough, cough) that twi is legit? What about the craig martindale payoff.....the buy-out to silence him? How much was he given up front.......cash money, ira investment, insurance access, nice car, perks, stuff.........and THEN, $60,000 per year for life. At $60,000 per year..............martindale has ALREADY received $900,000. At this rate, .......in another 25 years.......add another $1,500,000. Wonder if the newbie cult-followers understand that their ABS helps supply "retirement funds" to a sexual predator? We know that martindale slithered away into the night to Toledo......to live in a twi-owned house. So, does craig STILL have this added perk? Does twi pay the property tax, electric, water and association fees? If so........WOW, that stretches that $60,000 even further. Then......does craig get access to Camp Gunnison? What are ALL the hidden perks that are skimmed from the cult's "abundant sharing" that pay for martindale's silence? If I were in the twi-cult...............I would want to know this evil. Then, and only then...................could I make an informed decision as to stay or not.

.....and the fire drills at 3am........when corps came out in pajamas and/or robes, hair messed all up and hall monitors taking roll call. Then, if someone wanted to stay in bed or if some girl was in the bathroom fixing her hair......we'd get a 40-minute lecture at breakfast. .....and after sunday lunch meal.....corps would be given their "brownbag supper-meal" and stand outside along the walkway and exchange one item for another. Oftentimes, some of the girls would not want some of it OR felt sorry for some of the big men......and give them a sandwich or gorp, whatever it was called. It was the human element that I remember the most about in-residence corps.........not the classes, not the research.

Waysider.........the Fellow-Laborers program was quite the little indoctrination experience wasn't it? Someday, maybe you should start a thread and give us a point-by-point accounting of it all. It has many of the hallmarks of an isolated cult compound. NOW.........looking back at my corps experience and thought processes, I see why my mind was jolted the first month of that corps in-residence program in Emporia. It wasn't the classes or the work program........it was the isolation, immersion, indoctrination, demeaning of individual worth, haughty arrogance of spiritual leadership, groupthink loyalty, stripping of self, use/abuse of followers, anal detail to mowing the grass, etc. Everything about the Emporia campus screamed "cult conformity".........and my gut instinct was to leave. At the time, our monthly spending budget was $20.......and we turned over our budget books to be monitored at the end of each month. Even though we were allowed to go "off-campus" Saturday afternoon........what was there to do with that $5 "extra in your budget" except buy a couple of beers or cigarettes? The constraints of that monthly budget constricted choice and freedom.......it served as more leverage to the cult. This was all very foreign to me........I had several thousand dollars in my bank account and a car in the parking lot. .

Yeah Rocky........I might add a few more comments, but that deleted post was just too long. But......I gotta add the song that triggered the title of my little cyber-book, Ghost Ryders In The Sky....... ~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks again.......for giving me this space to tell my story. All of the GSC posters, past and present, have my deepest admiration. These postings are helping to chip away at the twi-cult.......the wierwille mystique, the corps indoctrination, the unfathomable fraud, deception and destruction of individuals........and the despicable cult-underpinnings that allow it to hoard away its properties and growing investment accounts. At present, that figure is $64 MILLION. After exiting this cult in August 1998, we stayed in OKC for nearly another two years while our two sons finished up their school years......respectively, junior high and middle school. During this time, I started working in management.....working long hours to support my family. Month after month, I continued to receive phone calls from advanced class grads and a few corps alumni who wanted to know why we were stigmatized with m/a. Several in Canada and Indiana had heard the news and called us as well. The rippling of this injustice helped a lot of people exit this cult. When we moved back to Indiana.....some of the advanced class grads we knew 8 years earlier were NOW notched up in cult-loyalty and attitude. Even though they hadn't gone corps, they were WARNED by Michael Fort to stay away and/or amped up to confront us. A few years later and Mr. Fort did NOT want to stay the course on cult-payroll........he stepped down from his limb position and got SECULAR WORK. See the pattern? Here Howard Allen's son-in-law, michael fort, does NOT have the balls to confront it........but slithers away. We moved back to Indiana in June 2000. It was during this time that martindale was "staring down the barrel of two lawsuits" and trying to salvage his status and petitioned Rosalie Rivenbark to bestow upon him as Head Guy of the Research Department. And, it was ONLY the twi-lawyers that stepped forward to advise against it. Martindale went down in flames two months later [August 2000].........and LOTS of region guys [Lallys, Lich-t, Mosqu3da, Sailor, Panarello, etc.], like rats, started making plans to jump ship. The cult could NOT protect those yes-men........those who had the same "stripes" as martindale/wierwille. Paul Allen via Waydale broke the cult stranglehold. Waydale/GSC.........one story at a time. .

~~~~~~~~~~ T-Bone added this....... Welcome to a Special Advanced Class...as soon as our ushers have seated the nice young lady they will escort you all to your assigned seats.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ........this story was a work in progress since the days of Waydale ........I still remember starting that thread Bravehearts Unite! and DWBH, Paul (ex-twi) and I had lots of laughs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ghost Ryders In The Sky My Escape from Cult-Hell Part I We Thought We Were Free Part II BOOM: Everything Changed Part III 1997: Fury Unleashed Part IV 1998: The Money Iceberg The First Bookend Part V The Music Played On Part VI The Price We Paid Part VII Sprinting Thru The Finish Part VIII The Two Bookends Part IX Fresh Air77 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks and Praise: Pawtucket (others in no particular order).....DWBH, Rocky, WordWolf, waysider, penworks, krys, Twinky, .......(and many more) (pictures on the GSC wall)..........Groucho, Catcup, Belle, Oakspear, RottieGrrrl, excathedra,...........(and many more) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

More Background: Let me back up on this one and fill in the blanks: Another girl phoned........who was signed up for foundational way-class. I had personally witnessed to her and signed her up. Now what? I was m/a and she called to ask me what to do. She was conflicted (obviously).... A week later, she came to talk with me face-to-face (she parked her car around the corner, down the street) She, too, was growing paranoid of what to think. She wanted info of class.....but saw wreckage floating around. I was driving on Northwest Expressway around 4pm one day (mid-June) and I had this thought (small, still voice..??).....go to Mardel's Christian Bookstore. I had only been there ONE time, but passed by it often. So, I turned around and.....mostly out of curiosity -- just to see.....once there, parked my car. I stepped inside and said to myself, "Now what?" Again, I had this inner peace and an inner "voice" said....."the bible aisle, someone is searching." Okay, now I'm really interested and thinking to myself....."If this is of God....I will be amazed." In the bookstore aisle was this woman talking to a sales clerk asking about different types of bibles. I watched for about a minute and then, stepped toward her and said that I really liked the king james version rather than some of the other paraphrased versions. We had a 5-6 minute conversation on this....and then, I told her about home fellowships and "blah, blah, blah." Anyways.......the rest of the story is she came to 3-4 fellowships and signed up for the class to check it out. So.....this woman was deeply conflicted six weeks later when I, "the state leader" was blacklisted. She had NO idea of twi-jargon, but had this unique personal involvement with me on that day and I'd seen her nearly every week. We had this "connection" because of that day at Mardel's. Note: Before, during and after twi................I've had a couple dozen of these unique experiences. ~~~~~~~~~~ Paranoia Through the years, I've seen varying aspects of paranoia regarding the cult and I'm sure most of you have too. Not to belabor the point.....here are four examples that come to mind.......again, on different points of a continuum: I was sitting with wierwille on his motor coach as we worked thru my 36-pages of captivity report (1981). Of those three-day afternoon sessions, this happened on the second day. Back and forth, wierwille asked me questions about this-or-that.....and would scratch thru whole sentences of my report and/or reword them to his liking for those "By The Way" articles for the St. Marys Evening Leader. On the second afternoon, while we were deep into this......the motor coach doors whisked open and Chris Geer briskly headed toward us at the table. Wierwille lifted his head and they made eye contact. With intensity of focus and brevity of words.....Geer said, "They're here. On grounds." Wierwille shot to his feet and the two walked out, got in Geer's car and drove away. I was the only one who witnessed this....no one else was in the motor coach. Stunned by it all, I sat there for another two minutes and then left the coach. Never did figure it out, but it sure got wierwille's attention in a hurry. ~~~~~ Outside of OKC, I spent much of my time and effort in Tulsa to help strengthen outreach efforts. Several corps had come and gone thru the years, but this one night.......I found myself trying to help craig's sister breath thru a multitude of factors that will remain confidential. It was well past midnight and took nearly three hours to untangle the growing intensity of anxiety and fear. We went for a short walk to help break its momentum. The paranoia was real, coming from several directions and by 3:45am her thinking and heart settled. During my one-hour drive home to OKC, I pondered the sequence of how something like that could escalate. ~~~~~ The advanced class grad who wanted out of twi, after we were m/a ...(mentioned before). It was surreal to watch paranoia mount its charge. As I said before, we had two secret meetings....one in the middle of the day, another late at night. The fear that someone in twi might see her with us was palpable. Her short bursts of speech had a tinge of shortness of breath. She was deeply conflicted and disturbed. Trying to process it all, the only thing that made sense to her was space. She needed time and space.....and moving out of the duplex, away from her roommate, was the first step. The stigma of m/a that twi had thumped on our chests made no sense. The convergence of the m/a stigma and Lally's damage control methods ushered in critical thought. And, paranoia dissipated. ~~~~~ In 2002, four years after we'd left the cult.....my family took a four-day trip to Canada. We wanted to take our growing boys to Niagara Falls and head over to London, Ontario to show my oldest son the city and hospital where he was born. Also, we had five people that we wanted to visit from years gone by. On this Saturday morning, we met up with this couple, she had been a godsend to help with all the cult's bookstore functions and her husband was invaluable to me as we handled the financial ledger and accounting. [In Canada.....we did ALL the financial reports, yearly self-imposed audit, etc......in states, limb work never had to do any of this, it went to hq]. Anyways......a phone call was made, because we thought it'd be nice to see Goldie, a wonderful adv class grad who was on the executive committee during my tenure. We agreed to meet at a food court in a local mall. When he arrived......the paranoia in his eyes was striking. He kept glancing over his shoulder to see if any believers might see him there with us. Here, a 72-year old businessman gripped by cult-fear was a memory I will never forget. ~~~~~~~~~~ Depths of Understanding About the time, I think that I understand something.....I find that I really didn't understand it at all or that more understanding would be gained over the next ridge. This could not be more apparent to me than the process of writing this book. I am not the same person I was on December 15th.....when I began this journey. I'm exploring caverns and crevices that I told myself not to venture. Memories of anguish that haunted my soul....I forbade to trespass. I cordoned off those areas of my life for years. Nor did I want others to see them either. All those years in a cult and I'm still breaking free from the corral. And now, in less than one month, I have changed even more. My perceptions are different. My thinking is different. What is beyond the next ridge? What lies beyond the horizon? This catharsis journey has changed my life. What differing perceptions are gained throughout the day as the sunlight brightens our understanding and then, leaves us with deep-red hues of splendor. Insert: The sunlight of one's youth does NOT "brighten one's understanding".......but rather, it is the deep-red hues of splendor of REFLECTION [and wisdom of experience.....ie, hindshight] that give that rich glow of meaningful understanding. Or, what a difference the years make.......after exiting a cult. The stark contrast of understanding this journey could not be more apparent than where I was some 35 years ago. What a chasm I had/have crossed......... ~~~~~~~~~~ GSC is an Oasis This place is a pleasant contrast to life's challenges and schedules.......but I need to get to work. If the girls weren't so cute and the drinks so refreshing......I'd stop coming here altogether. Cheers!.........I gotta go.....for now.

~~~~~~~~~~ So......why did I search out Trancenet......then, Waydale.......and stayed the course in GSC..? What started the driving passion of John Walsh to do what he did? It's extremely personal when it involves your kid(s). No, our kid wasn't abducted or killed, but...... The guttural pain.....of seeing our boys cope with cult-backstabbers The nights of crying......what's wrong? why can't we play with them? Now........I was going thru the extrication process......for all of us, wife & kids.......and, helping this adv class girl. Another girl phoned........who was signed up for foundational way-class. I had personally witnessed to her and signed her up. Now what? I was m/a and she called to ask me what to do. She was conflicted (obviously).... A week later, she came to talk with me face-to-face (she parked her car around the corner, down the street) She, too, was growing paranoid of what to think. She wanted info of class.....but saw wreckage floating around. More phone calls.............I got another 15-20 phone calls from others. They too were at crossroads.......and bailed. As things rippled out and out.......down to next generation.......I probably helped 120-150 others exit the cult. Even now, during Christmas.....we always have a dinner meal with a family that we helped to extricate. .......The rippling effect of helping others out of this cult......going into a third generation. ~~~~~~~~~~ The Stigma of M/A Twi uses the "mark/avoid" label as a scare tactic. I suppose there are many ways to look at this, of course......but it's like someone comes around the corner, perhaps even in your own house and erupts BOO! It startles you.....and freezes you. You are caught off guard and......frozen in place. Processing what just happened takes a bit. We know that twi twists all kinds of scriptures, but this one is used as a weapon. Everyone with THAT label is to be marked with a "black heart" letter....and shunned. Why? Well....because they're "possessed." It hardly takes much more than that to freeze critical thought. Obviously, martindale slapped this "scarlet letter" on us......while, all the time, he was romping from bed to bed committing adultery and/or sexual predation!! But I digress..... Once labelled, everyone we'd ever had contact with in twi shunned us. Heck, not just from the average go-to-twig believer........all the way to the highest ranks, critical thought is short-circuited. Our corps "friends" and buds, whom we'd been in the trenches with for over two decades....would NOT call to ask, what happened? Corps nor clergy called.......we were stigmatized. Martindale gave the order. The power of that label is very real. If word is sounded out from hq, then it must be so. It took years to condition people's minds to this lockstep loyalty......but the word "cop out" or "tripped out" was its father. Long before "mark/avoid" made its way into the cult lexicon......wierwille used "cop out" with great effect. BOO! ~~~~~~~~~~ DAMAGE CONTROL Like nearly everything twi, damage control is the rapid response to protect twi's public image. And, most likely.....from the very days that wierwille set his sights on some woman in his private office as pastor in Paine or at Van Wert church....things had to be covered up. I always find it amusing to think......after wierwille left the Van Wert church, the church board struck wierwille's name from the clergy registry (to protect their image). (lol) Anyways.......damage control, there to protect wierwille and/or his cult-in-the-making. We can easily see that all thru the years, twi's history and image were whitewashed......then, polished with bullsh!t crème up and down the bannisters. Everything....all of it, everywhere. My wife and I were simply on the radar that day in August 1998. We turned in our corps nametags and were walking away. That could NOT be tolerated. We simply had TOO MUCH influence.....questions would start rippling into waves if the Lallys didn't act fast. I assumed that Tom called Craig less than ten minutes after we pulled away from their doorstep. And, craig gave the order. The Lallys went into action. We were the Limb coordinators in martindale's home state. We had a sterling reputation throughout the state.....AND.....direct access to sway hundreds in Oklahoma, Canada, Indiana* and some on hq-staff. Our reputations had to be destroyed. Hemorrhaging could not be allowed to gain strength. *Note: We had lived in Indiana after leaving Canada in April 1987. Our visas expired (another story....lol)

~~~~~~~~~~ IMO...............that's why when some drive-by posters come here to GSC and pop off They have NO IDEA.....the secret, driving, under-belly scum of that cult-organization. NONE. They extrapolate their opinions and view points from the cult-magazine echo chamber. There is a HUGE difference between: Extraction........getting out relatively easy and walking away from a cult. Extrication.......the grasping, sucking tentacles of the octopus in deep waters. THAT'S WHY......GSC is so damn important !!!!! All of you posters are so special. Your depth of thinking, exposure, and support.......HELPING so many, many people. I sometimes think that GSC and your/our efforts....has helped at least 10 thousand or more. Hell........even those who never were in......have expressed thanks. YOU POSTERS.................ROCK and kick-a$$. ........THANKS. Insert: Anyone who was/is on the outskirts of twi.....or simply took a couple of classes......has NO IDEA about this cult. Extrication is so intricately interwoven into every fabric of one's heart, soul, emotions, relationships, memories, fiber of being, approval before God......that to get out is an arduous process. Wierwille AND martindale strictly taught that to leave twi........was to leave God. Sure, it's laughable now......but to those who exit AND those still in.................it is very real. Edit: More properly stated......"The FEAR of extrication" is so intricately interwoven..........twi-cult indoctrination taught that to turn your back on twi was, to turn away from God.

~~~~~~~~~~ SO YEAH........BOTH.......lallys AND martindale slithered away UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS. BOTH.......Tom & Craig........vicious bastards......if you weren't in lockstep loyalty !!! ~~~~~~~~~~ And yeah.......I spelled it with a "y" ..........it WAS personal to me Ghost Ryders...... = .....Martindale, Lally........and the haunting, cattle-driver Wierwille ~~~~~~~~~~ The Saga continues................................ Now.....we were looking at "a clean slate".......WHAT NOW? First 2-3 weeks........emphasis on our two little boys (lots of hugs, encouragement, trying to explain......) Thankfully......the new school year was beginning.....and lots of positive things in that area I started the arduous process of rebuilding a "resume"......I was 43 yrs old An advanced class grad in OKC phoned......she wanted OUT of twi ..........we had two secret meetings to discuss issues with her. The paranoia in her heart....and shock of us being m/a. ..........she was living with another ac grad......who was a glassy-eyed follower ...............three more weeks went by. This adv class grad made decision to leave. She was SO scared. ...............we offered to have her move in with us while she, too, processed the cult-aftermath ......................and she did NOT want any confrontation from new limb guy OR her roommate ......................so, we stealthily moved her belongings while her roommate was at work Got that?........this ac grad was SO SCARED and PARANOID she wanted us to help her thru this without any twi-confrontation. Gawd......the whole thing seemed like an undercover-spy movie. Hey, twi............see what kind of filth, ilk and paranoia that you are driving people to??? This ac grad had left extra money and note on kitchen counter to help pay future bills....not wanting to burden her roommate Of course, this roommate came home from work.....to find this. She called the new limb guy immediately........and he said stuff like....."See, you gotta be real cautious....they (we) are possessed." OMG.........The lengths to which the twi-cult DRIVES people to see DEVIL SPIRITS in everything.

DWBH quote: "Among the most egregious assholes who ever walked through TWIt. Barbara was in the 4th corpse. One of the sluts in there like Lombardi, Gustke, Oriard, and Ms. Gray back then. A whole lot of zeal with no morals or real concern for others. Strictly self-centered "ladder climbers". The boy Tom was just a dope on two legs. Just a dope. They were cowards. They left like cowards too. Lying little weasels. Karma is a bitch you two. Sure glad I won't have to answer for what you will at your phony "bema". Losers." ~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~ Insert: Yeah, EVERYTHING..........There is SO MUCH MORE that I could have written about helping the martindale family, especially Kerry. The utter sense of BETRAYAL..........by craig martindale, don wierwille and howard allen is a sucker punch that is unfathomable to describe. My wife and I gave 52 YEARS OF OUR LIVES IN THIS CULT and were kicked aside like a couple of mangy dogs. All those years.......HQ, Canada, Indiana, Oklahoma........and NONE of them ever phoned us again. Howard, the Coward, was the same suck-up to martindale that he was to wierwille........same two-faced, lying scum. Keep your cult, Howard. You deserve each other.

My Story Continues......on another thread: Ghost Ryders In The Sky ~~~~~~~~ It was suggested to me to tie this story together on the same thread.......otherwise, it might get separated. Later, some might not grasp the connection or just think that my story stopped with this confrontation from region leadership. So......here it is [with a few additional inserts]. ~~~~~~~~~~ "In Austin, the "meeting" lasted for almost three hours.....20-25 minutes of class stuff, business, etc.......and then, confrontation. Growing.....Intensifying.....What The Hell Are You Thinking Confrontation? Thankfully, I was sooooo exhausted from weeks of sleepless nights, turmoil, that I didn't throw a punch. Over and over, we told them that we were done being corps. Insert: And at this point of heightened confrontation, Tom Lally locked eyes with me and stated sharply that Rev. Martindale wanted me on the President's Cabinet. THAT was the final card in his deck......to get me to change my mind. I turned it down........... And, of course, that brought on the white-hot confrontation. How can you quit? What?... you want to just sit in twig and let someone else lead you? Accusations. Mocking the stupidity of our quitting. Anything to try to get a rise, a reaction, a sliver to attack and counterpunch." Notice: Twi-Cult Puppeteers have used this tactic time and again......lure and entice corps leadership to headquarters with an "elevated promotion" and then, chip away at those responsibilities and marginalize their input.....pushing them further and further into irrelevance. In this manner, the cult has two objectives: 1) It removes Limb/Region leadership from field without confrontation and/or disruption and 2) Once removed and at hq, twi-cult is in complete control of "messaging the story of corps or clergyman's ineptness (cough, cough)." Edit: I had this long post detailing more aspects and tying the two threads together.....but can't get it to post the whole length. Hopefully.............MODERATORS will step forward and delete it. I've tried. ~~~~~~~~

Last Saturday afternoon, I went for a walk in my neighborhood......an invigorating walk with temperatures hovering around 18 degrees. With sidewalks on both sides of the street, one can easily walk throughout this neighborhood and stay clear of the busy streets just on its outskirts. For many reasons, our cluster of homes continues to be a favorite for soliciting girl scout cookies, sales canvassing and the six-week rotation of Jehovah Witnesses.....and so it was this day. Two sets of pairings were knocking on doors.....and no one was opening their doors. This routine is so common that most here simply don't even open their door with the gesture of "no thanks." Many of my neighbors have those little signs that say "no soliciting"......but, oftentimes, the door knocking is not assuaged. Anyways, as I passed by.......I asked myself, "Should I just let this pass or try to help these people?" Well, I walked another 30 yards or so and decided to turn around. This couple had stood at this door for about 45 seconds before heading back to the sidewalk where I greeted them with, "What are you selling?" I was playing coy. I was quite positive that they were JW, but didn't want to put them on the defensive. This pair was one man and one woman.......and she was the dominant of the two. She assured me that they were NOT selling anything, but were trying to find anyone in the neighborhood who spoke Russian. Their "program" was to help to assemble a gathering of those interested in the Russian language to help one another. After another five minutes of chit chat, I told them that one of the reasons why few open their doors around here was because of dominant solicitation from sales people AND Jehovah Witnesses who target this area. With that.......she admitted to me that they were, indeed, JW. See.....they were using "a backdoor witnessing technique" [deception] to gain access to bring others into the JW-cult. And, then....I told her that I, too, had knocked on doors for years trying to help people to better understand scripture....adding another five minutes of background and detail. They were really nice people, late-20s, and I couldn't leave them without WARNING them about cult manipulation. Long story short.....I gave a short overview of the scientology tv-documentary, then my experiences and why I walked away........and cults worldwide. There are better ways to serve Jehovah.....than doing this grueling coercion of door-knocking. I told them to think long and hard......their life's passions should not be dictated by JW-hierarchy. ~~~~~~~ Here at GSC......our desire to help expose the way international cult.....does NOT stop there! The tell-tale signs of cults are consistent across the board. Same tactics. Same techniques. Here at GSC......these discussion forums were instrumental in exposing the CES-splinter CULT. CES is in a Mess...... ~~~~~~~ So yeah.............lots of us are passionate about BREAKING THE STRANGLEHOLD OF ALL CULTS. TWI-gatekeepers

You might have a point there. To me......"dimensions" = depth of deception. "The illusions and evolutions of the cult may even appear mesmerizing at times."......................differing depths of deception.

A lively discussion broke out on this topic nearly 10 years ago......when I broached this subject. Lots of "defenders of the cult....er, faith had very strong opinions on this one. The following link adds a lot of background and viewpoints to the way international cult and its class-based operation. He annointed "the class".........NOT

The Fourth Dimension of Insanity Nothing seems to better describe the way international cult than insanity.......as it moves into its fourth iteration. Never mind that wierwille jumpstarted his class-based "ministry" by plagiarizing this foundational class from Rev. BG Leonard in 1953......wholesale theft from Calgary, Alberta back to Ohio vpw went. From there, wierwille set this class on a bedrock foundation that stood the test of time. Generations that followed would come to revere "the class" in respective iteration. Wierwille...............1967 pfal Martindale.............1996 wap Rivenbark..............2004 wap (#2) JYDL......................???? If I were a betting man, I'd place my money on JYDL updating "his" foundational class around 2020. The Way International cult continues to do the same thing over and over again. Nothing commands respect and groupthink like "the class" to rally around. Wierwille did it. Martindale did it. Rivenbark did it. And.........so will JYDL. It's baked in the cake of the cult. It's the returning to the vomit of the false prophet wierwille in defining "spiritual authority." I highly suspect that the younger generations never heard about the "botched class"......ie. PFAL '77. That's right. Everything was in the works to replace the old 1967 class version after ten years. Live audience. Ball State University in Muncie, Indiana. New cameras. Joe Coulter and a/v crew put in hundreds of hours. SO.......why didn't pfal get an upgrade? Well, after the whole event and top-tier leaders reviewed it and discussed it behind closed-doors in those conference rooms........it had several flaws and quirks. Wierwille had stumbled. The "new class" was shelved. Classes don't simply bring revenue.......they bring conformity. The cult feasts on conformity. Corps indoctrination brings cloning........and the cult breeds cloning corps to do their bidding. Wierwille......Martindale.....Rivenbark.......JYDL......one iteration after another, doing the same thing over and over again expecting THE SAME result: 1) commitment and 2) conformity. Note: The CULT expects *the same result*.......while YOU are expecting *different results.* Anyone who continues to stay in this cult expecting something else?.........you're deceiving yourself. The cult is NOT going to change. The cult is going to eat away your life, your heart, your effort, your money and your soul. If you stay.......YOU are allowing it. The cult may appear to be different THIS time, this iteration under JYDL......but it's only in a process of concealing itself. Each iteration seems to "stretch forth" only to "fold back within" and conceal itself. The illusions and evolutions of the cult may even appear mesmerizing at times. You have been warned. Believe me........Here is my story: A Series of Purges ..... #1.....Here Insanity on Steroids ..... #2.....Here Ghost Ryders ..... #3.....Here Hey JYDL...!! ..... #4.....Here ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .

May 1998: Active Clergy List Total Active Clergy -- 64 Total Standing Inactive Clergy -- 19 The last clergy listing I ever saw. In November 1999.....Martindale Ordained 25 More --- Someone relayed these numbers to me and I filed it away. Five month later, in April 2000........Martindale publically confessed to "his affair with Ms Allen." In August 2000........Martindale was ousted by twi-lawyers and slithered into Toledo under the cover of darkness. The series of purges had done their damage.......the cult was relentlessly brutal during 1992-1998. The field leadership and active clergy were jumping ship. The time had ARRIVED. Anyone who stayed into the Rivenbark era.............I can't even imagine why. And, now that JYDL will be leading this cult? The 4th Dimension of Insanity.

BUMP..............[ the couple mentioned in first post were the former Oklahoma Limb coordinators who replaced us ] Radar.........wherever you are, godspeed to your freedom. And yes.......that "1995 directive" for all corps to be on cult-payroll was an absolute nightmare. With wierwille's twisted concept of "needs-basis" doctrine.........the cult had its hooks in us really deep. And you.......having been there in the cult dispatch office with two-way radios and linder's security guys........I totally understand. I, too, had those nightmares and flashbacks.