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I had forgotten about this new depth of pharisaic-rule.......until Grace bumped this thread. Seems that this putrid policy of the last 10 years has been stirring up the beehive.......wasn't this near the top of the list for that R&R group? The debt policy is wreaking havoc because it is tweaked as a control tactic of this cult. From practical to doctrine error, it is now being thrust into a whole new level of bureaucratic idiocy. Institutionalized conditioning. This cult stuff reminds me of the movie, The Shawshank Redemption.....and Brooks, for good behavior, got to oversee the prison library. He was given certain "liberties" because he conformed to the institutionalized lifestyle with no dissent. Coordinator this, Coordinator that..........All administrative bullsheet to give the appearance of activity, yet detrimental, demeaning and destructive.

Mike........the ONLY reason I am posting on another one of your delusional wierwille-adulation ramblings is..........you CHERRY-PICKED my quote to substantiate wierwille in a good light. Frankly, my post is THE EXACT OPPOSITE. Wierwille made bald-faced claims throughout his life. He was a serial, pathological liar. He plagiarized wholesale from every available source he could scrounge. A pathetic loser and lazy charlatan. Count me in the DWBH camp.......I have NO INTEREST in this discussion.

Grace........I appreciate your kind words. There are so many AWESOME posters here at The Spot. The accumulative unveiling of "the other side of the twit-cult" has been going on for like 17 years.........and, imo, it has exposed their seedy, sordid underbelly. Wierwille was a shyster and a predator........and those splinter groups are two-fold the children of the corn. Long live GreaseSpot...........where us patrons celebrate LIFE.

T-Bone..........totally agree. I knew that's what you were saying....... I simply put it into a concise statement with no ambiguity. Wierwille was a shyster. ..................and those who continue to heap adulation his way are in the same camp. Splinter leaders of twit-cult are faceless scum who refuse to renounce and repent of this evil treachery.

Deceived and deceiving others........ Wierwille NEVER had that connection. As a plagiarist and false teacher, he feigned words of spiritual grandeur to make merchandise of others. In his lust and covetousness, wierwille will receive judgment and rebuke from the Lord..............others who copy this degradation, will receive likewise.

Another generic mumbo-jumbo wierwille splinter cult............ Why is it?............Seems like every splinter group starts out the same way? Same generic spiel.........same "get back to the Word that wierwille taught us" Same pyramid structure, same "way tree" concept, same funneling $$$$ one direction..... And NEVER......NEVER broach the subject of wierwille's plagiarism, drunkenness, twisted scripture, predatory assaults, etc. Why ANOTHER wierwille cult-splinter? When people escape from Scientology.......do they start up another L. Ron Hubbard splinter group? Why are the wierwille splinters everywhere? Is it THAT easy to tweak some scriptures and gain a following?

That's the thing..........when a religious hierarchy is established, the ones with a designated perch don't want to give up that "prominent position." No non-corps signatures.......because they are NOT included in the inner sanctum of discussions and decision-making. See how that works? If non-corps were included, then they too have a seat at the table and the dfac-corps cannot lord over them in the new splinter group. From the RnR letter and meeting........already, they've shown that its same-old wierwille pyramid structure in place. They want to lord over "their" flock. The corps........er, ex-corps......will be doing the decision-making. Of course, THIS TIME it will really be "revival and restoration".........unlike Geerites, CES, CFF, etc. How many confrontations, mark/avoids, slanderings, and character-assassinations have these people sat thru the past 30-40 years? What did you think when wierwille called corps/clergy cop-outs for dissenting and leaving? Did wierwille allow questions to be open-aired for ALL to see? HELL NO. You RnR folk........STILL have no clue. Wierwille founded a cult..........and YOU are it. Until............you wake the hell up.

Sure, you can handle all the money.............but let me count it first.

Twinky.......whoever told you that JYDL translated that stuff was mistaken, unless there was some minor translation errors that needed fixed/updated. JYDL graduated from the corps program in 1988.........and I flew to Toronto and performed their wedding. 1988 was "fog years" era with the lcm-stumbling early 90's........no French translation work then. I don't think Jean-Yves has done anything of significance that warrants the big chair.......except being loyal to rosie, The advantages go to her..........not him.

Basically.....1979-1984 time frame with French translations around 1982 (?). Tom Knupp......5th corps grad, ordained, headed up Africa Outreach - specifically Zaire, at the time, worked with Gary Curtis and others in Translations Dept.....one of their daughters married a Coulter kid. Still involved in twi.....as far as I know. Tom and wife, Marilyn, spent a year living in Zaire.......working with three twi-ordained guys Bayunga Nioka-Simbi, Nsimba (Andre) Zakompani and Kinkela (Roger) Lutambi and the exploding outreach at that time.

Regarding translating pfal books into French and French version of pfal..........that was Tom Knupp. But yeah......"quiet, obedient, committed, and fiercely loyal to Rosalie" got him the big chair. PLUS.......he isn't likely to strike out on his own anytime soon and do something like a lcm-type wap class. Jean-Yves will be the face of twit.......and Rosalie will keep the trains running on time as the vice-prez.

........."And the sun was shining brightly. It was in the fall of the year. Gorgeous. There wasn't a cloud in the sky." And then............. Black Snowstorm

Probably another reason why..... Two sycophants who were NOT on that RnR list........Rev. Bill Green3 and Rev. Marcia (Fau1k) Gre3ne

And..........Tom M1tchell was attempting to talk to his wife Ramona so that they'd leave hq-compound together. Well, Craig was in a meeting and got wind of it.....and he immediately sent messenger-boy Bill Green3 to get Ramona and tell her "....don't leave, Craig wants to meet with you." [Craig told Bill.....you married them, you therefore have entre into their lives.] From what I remember.......Craig relayed to Ramona that if she left with Tom, her life was in danger. Craig convinced her that Tom was irrational and open to devil-spirit possession......thus, staying "at headquarters, with the household" was the right choice. [And therefore.......their sex romps could continue.] Ramona stayed. Tom left hq........and soon thereafter, went out into the backyard and "blew his brains out." And now..........messenger-boy Bill Gre3ne's son, Chandler is twi's corps coordinator.

Grace.......well, since you've taken such an interest in my 1981 deprogramming experience, I decided that a response was in order. Sure, at the time.....I was defiant and determined to break free from these deprogrammers, thugs, and my parents so that I could reunite with my fiancé and twi. It was heart-wrenching to have to choose "one side" and not the other. I couldn't have both. Forgiveness came relatively easy for me regarding my parents..... My parents deeply loved me and were trying, as best they could, with this "deprogramming intervention." They believed, from what they'd heard and read, that once I graduated from the corps, I would be "gone forever." They were willing to spend another $16,000 or so.......to deprogram my fiancé, too. In their mind, this was an intervention.......what other avenues were available to helping extricate a loved one from a cult? The depth of love my parents went thru to do this, especially my Mom, is a testament to parental love and family. My parents welcomed me with open arms.......WHENEVER my wife and I visited them. Yesterday.......was Mother's Day. My mother passed away two years ago. I spent the day in solemn thankfulness for the unconditional love she lived. She went "far beyond her comfort zone" to try and help her youngest son out of a cult. Thankfully, I had 10 years with Dad (he died in 2008) and 17 years to reconcile my relationship with Mom. Forgiveness? It was easy.......looking thru the eyes of parental love.

Rosalie moved over to vice-prez chair.......hahahaha It's official........Rosalie ain't going anywhere

Yep.....the birthing of another wierwillite-cult. I remember one corps meeting or nightowl sharing where wierwille stated that if he had it to do all over again.......he would have TAKEN as many Van Wert Church people with him as he could. Looks like the cult apple hasn't fallen far from the Way Tree.

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Grace........my deprogramming episode is tucked away on page 8 in the thread -- Insanity on Steroids

So.......admittedly, this group has been scheming a departure and "power grab" for at least 4 years. First of all, this RnR group will SOON REALIZE.......once people break away from the fear-based twit-cult, they will NOT automatically follow another "designated leader." Once the stranglehold is broken......and IF any venture on over to GSC......they will find whole new vistas of thought and freedom. Their critical thought processes will engage......AND......many will STOP GOING TO AN RnR-SPLINTER GROUP, as well. Many who went to CES..........don't anymore. Many who went to CFF..........don't anymore. Once people break free from the chains of fear, manipulation and exploitation........they ain't going to regularly attend RnR "fellowships" and give a hunk of their hard-earned money to ANOTHER group that preaches wierwille-adulation. Plus, add in some corps grad egos who want salaried........and, bang, off to the races they go with more in-fighting, back-biting, and splintering. Once people exit a cult..........it's a brave, new world out there. Go for it.

Thanks tonto........yeah, more pieces to the puzzle. Another thing that intrigues me is........what was wierwille doing near Gunnison, CO when he stumbled upon "Sleepy Hollow" aka camp gunnison? I remember that wierwille commented on a handshake deal to buy the rustic campground on the gunnison river, but why there? why Colorado? Could it be that wierwille was taking a nostalgia trip to his ole Pikes Peak Seminary and then, continued west and stumbled upon this remote campgrounds? Perhaps, another one of his "revelations" to have a spot like Glenn Clark's "camps farthest out".......or similar. Wierwille, the forever plagiarist, was always in the market for copying someone else's successes. Heck, he could build Camp Gunnison into the greatest Christian camp in the whole, darn country.........couldn't he? /s

Yeah, and........how many Pharisees did the Apostle Paul try to "power grab" when he left the Pharisaic-Circle Compound? NONE THAT is the difference between the genuine and the counterfeit.

Well..........Moneyhands, Horn3ys, and Forts (3 former corps coordinators) can feign outrage all they want. The corps campuses were nothing but INDOCTRINATION CAMPS and headquarters was its CULT COMPOUND. Go ahead, tho........and wallow in your way-daze nostalgia. Pat yourselves on the back for "standing with wierwille." Maybe you can go spend time with John Lynn.......ANOTHER former cult corps coordinator.

Or 20 years ago..... Or 30 years ago..... Or 40 years ago.....

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