skyrider

When I was in-residence corps in 1978........I was reproved by an elder corps guy, 7th corps, for spending self-structure time on Saturday night with a College Division girl. As I remember it, he sternly told me that way corps were being trained as spiritual overseers, while college division was to pursue business and professional goals and support the spiritual outreach of the cult.....er, ministry. This jolted my thinking for a few days......and I remember thinking, ".....why are they cloning us?" Definitely, there were plenty of biblical examples that showed wide diversity of individuals in thought, background, commitment, leadership ability, skills and long-suits. Meeting after meeting, it seemed like we were being herded around. Well........now, all I see is Cloning is a Cult Strategy. So, I look at cloning [Wikipedia]..............and chuckle to read: "The term clone, invented by J. B. S. Haldane, is derived from the Ancient Greek word κλών klōn, "twig", referring to the process whereby a new plant can be created from a twig." So.......twig 3X a week, and soon everyone morphs into groupthink clones, spewing the cult doctrine, repeating the same tongues w/int messages, zealots of the buzzspeak, and fawning over the wierwille-mystique. CLONING started at twig.......was amplified with each class........and "locked in" with corps indoctrination. It. Was. A. Cult. Strategy.

Yeah.....hypocrites, micromanagers and an abomination to the Lord's work. The resume of John Rupp was discussed on this thread.......this guy Somehow it all seems fitting.......that Rosalie is on the board sitting between two "johns."

Yeah......."a handful of people".......er, wierwille-zealots. Add, Doug McMuffin who had farm property in Mississippi with wierwille-doctrine planted in the minds of youth, an isolated work/indoctrination camp and the toxic cult culture expects a harvest. Besides JP, other clingers want to saturate their minds in cult-glory nostalgia......and then, walter c'mon-man brings the group to nirvana with "literal translations according to wierwille." S.O.W.E.R.S. hast to be "the faithful remnant".........they've got wierwille BLOODLINE teaching them "the word." Victor Paul Wierwille [grandson]........IN THE FLESH.

It STILL amazes me............that Mrs. Wierwille's book was published with SO MANY BLATANT HYPOCRISIES in plain sight. Page after page, and the parade of all those men whom wierwille plagiarized their works. Admission that wierwille copied radio broadcast format with music interludes from Rev. Charles Fuller. Picture of young victor in the back row when towering men like E. Stanley Jones taught conferences. Wierwille's class-based organization was an offshoot from Rev. B.G. Leonard and his "The Gifts of the Spirit" class. Etc. etc......... But THEN...........this wierwille quote: "We did not allow them [the denominational synod] to control our lives; that's why I had to resign from the denomination. The only way I could have stayed would have been to give the denomination control over what I taught, what I spoke, and what I did." [Page 217] Not Only was the pfal class stolen and documented in Mrs. W's book........but the core of wierwille's admission [to not be "controlled" by leadership from his Church Board] and then, go full-steam ahead with CONTROLLING his corps grads....... Clearly, Dotsie.....nor Karen, could see the blatant arrogance and/or hypocrisies right in front of their noses. So, this book goes thru several editing procedures and then rolls off the printing presses for all the cult and others to see. Immersion in a cult does that to people.......maybe, it's time to read a "worldly" book to help escape the cult prison? ~~~~~~~~~ HERE IS A BOOK that has been recommended by GSC-posters.......to better understand wierwille and his abuse. ~~~~~~~~~ Malignant Self-Love........."This book will teach you how to Cope, Survive, and Protect Your Loved Ones! 'Malignant Self-love: Narcissism Revisited' is based on correspondence since 1996 with hundreds of people diagnosed with Narcissistic and Antisocial Personality Disorders (narcissists and psychopaths) and with thousands of their suffering family members, friends, therapists, and colleagues. The first ever book about narcissistic abuse, Malignant Self-love: Narcissism Revisited offers a detailed, first hand account of what it is like to have Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It contains new insights and an organized methodological framework. The first part of the book comprises more than 100 Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) regarding relationships with abusive narcissists and the Narcissistic Personality Disorder. What is a personality disorder? When the personality is rigid to the point of being unable to change in reaction to changing circumstances - we say that it is disordered. Such a person takes behavioral, emotional, and cognitive cues exclusively from others. His inner world is, so to speak, vacated. His True Self is dilapidated and dysfunctional. Instead he has a tyrannical and delusional False Self. Such a person is incapable of loving and of living. He cannot love others because he cannot love himself. He loves his reflection, his surrogate self. And he is incapable of living because life is a struggle towards, a striving, a drive at something. In other words: life is change. He who cannot change cannot live. The narcissist is an actor in a monodrama, yet forced to remain behind the scenes. The scenes take center stage, instead. The Narcissist does not cater at all to his own needs. Contrary to his reputation, the Narcissist does not "love" himself in any true sense of the word. He feeds off other people, who hurl back at him an image that he projects to them. This is their sole function in his world: to reflect, to admire, to applaud, to detest - in a word, to assure him that he exists." .

Gawd.......the whole schmola was one big BAIT AND SWITCH. The title of Mrs. W's book "Born Again to Serve"..........how often did the twit-cult talk, teach, or expound on being "born again?" Except for one segment of pfal.....where it highlighted "the new birth" and/or "filled with holy spirit".......I rarely EVER heard them use the term "born again." It was too closely tied to denominational Christianity and wierwille was doing everything to market a new type of soap. So, Mrs. W's book title is ANOTHER attempt at "bait and switch".........bait with Christianity, then switch to CULT Indoctrination. Wierwille set out on a journey to bait the hook with glitter worms slinking thru the back waters of Christianity.......the Glenn Clarks, the Rufus Moseleys, the Albert Cliffes and others. Wierwille patched one man's teaching with another....and another, and stirred it all together. The Class in all its glory........and yet, veepee would often boast that he could teach it 10 or 12 different ways. Hahaha.....probably so. The craft of a slick salesman. To me, it would be one thing if the whole thing went downhill after wierwille's death........BUT there is no escaping the fact that wierwille could NOT do what he preached. He did NOT operate/manifest the big six....word of knowledge, word of wisdom, discerning of spirits, faith, miracles and gifts of healings. All the blunders and missteps and fiascos.......all the confrontations, biting and devouring.......all the "prophecies" that NEVER came to pass. All those Camp Gunnison grandeur "prophecies"......and the place is a mausoleum shell today. The whole "president and first lady of The Way".................scripted from a pathological disorder to engraft a political wolf into a sheep's congregation. Remember all the innuendo and fanfare of "Dr. Wierwille and Mrs. Wierwille, the first lady of The Way" attending one of the 1980 Presidential Banquets in Washington, D.C.? All the hype, the bravado..........YET the guy NEVER once cast out a devil spirit when he flat-out labeled someone in his presence --- pozzezzed C'mon......when did we EVER see from him undeniable prophecy....either foretold or forth told? Yeah, he read us some O.T. scripture in the advanced class.....and what???????? And, the mantle was placed on martindale......how did that work out? Forget about the list of "presidents"........the first one never was one.

When wierwille looked in the mirror.........I believe that, at times, he saw the utter depravity of his morality and integrity. Sure, he vaunted his position with that narcissistic personality disorder that consumed his soul and robbed him of empathy for others. Wierwille scouted out ever advantage he could find, because his basic nature was one that was lazy and academically challenged........thus, he tweaked, plagiarized and glued a degree-mill doctorate to his name. Yet, in the end.......many continued to see thru the ruse and so did the man in the mirror. Several posters have come forward to give us a "history lesson" of how wierwille power-grabbed The Way West and Way East from Hefner and Doop......one wherein wierwille and dell dunkin (??) walked into a big meeting and wierwille took "ownership" and kicked Hefner to the curb. Wierwille knew the road to power was TO CENTRALIZE the allegiance and money-funneling to one destination, the Ohio-hq. And, when was this.......1970 or 1971.....?? Soon thereafter, "the way tree" terminology took root (no pun intended)..........and the counterfeit-clusterflock became a full-fledged cult. Confrontation seemed to be the m.o. for training the corps: The 6th corps at Emporia were all dismissed at one point. Smoking issues.....?? 7th corps had lots of business savvy leaders who needed to submit.........needed tethered to the cult. 8th corps fiasco with three guys doing dynamic, independent research......major, lingering confrontation. Cop-out terminology went hand-in-hand with devil-spirit possession. Only if you are possessed would you LEAVE the way ministry.......... Once wierwille went down THIS PATH.......there was no turning back. The doctrine came from the "man-of-gawd." I have posted several times of personal accounts that I saw in 1978. Wierwille could, nor would, NOT allow a major corps leader to just walk away WITHOUT SLANDER. That person's name and reputation had to be soiled to stifle questioning and/or dissent. It WAS character-assassination......straight-up! Wierwille was a thug.

Page 216, 217.......Mrs. Wierwille's book: Victor Paul Wierwille............Pastorate E&R Church in Van Wert, Ohio Ended, December 8, 1957 Before leaving church..........Wierwille had asked 12 people to support, work, and pray with us for one year. "Now if I had to do it again, I would do what Paul did -- take all my people with me......" Wierwille expressed himself further, "We did not allow them [the denominational synod] to control our lives; that's why I had to resign from the denomination. The only way I could have stayed would have been to give the denomination control over what I taught, what I spoke, and what I did." THE CULT DICKTATOR AND HIS NARCISSISTIC HYPOCRISY.........as he goes on to build his cult and control "his corps" in all that they taught, spoke and did.

The exploitation of a cult on full display...... All the "love, blood, sweat and tears" poured into the Emporia Campus........and then, SOLD. All the work, labor, planting, and harvesting at the Rome City Campus.........and then, SOLD. All the exploitation of corps labor at the L.E.A.D. property in Tinnie, NM.......and then, SOLD. And now, Camp Gunnison is this isolated property with a skeleton crew and few visitors........THUD. And, not only the free/slave labor of in-residence corps during their "work/training" block assignments......but each year, graduating corps worked umpteen hours on a gift/project to enhance the campus. Both the Emporia Campus and Rome City Campus received multiple "gifts" from graduating corps.......thousands of hours of free labor. Really..........wierwille's deception lasted only a 12-years' [1970-1982] span before the cult began spiraling downward. The outward appearance of the cult's properties masquerades its deadness and exploitive past.

Yes.....you are misreading my reply. Being "in the minority" isn't necessarily a good thing....... ...........you'd be IN THE MINORITY if you were heading down an eastbound interstate highway going west. Drivers would honk, flash their lights, call 911 on their cellphones, helicopters would hover overhead and cars would swerve to AVOID YOUR RECKLESSNESS. Every driver would notice your presence........and yes, you'd be "in the minority" as a danger on the highway.

So was.......Judas.

EXPOSED!! Rich...........sounds like you made moves to stay ahead of twi's lawyers and copyright infringements.

So......tell us about Julian Bible Institute? Are you selling soap......er, a tweaked version of pfal?

Hey, Mr. Obfuscation......."almost thou persuadest me to NOT be a Christian." Or......are you Mr. Circumlocution?

Yep.....according to your website, you sure do. Orange Book --- top pick of research tools Click on "PFAL" --- and read it word for word. Same with the other links on this list. The Way International is NOT going to like this one bit. Julian Bible Institute .

There is NO problem......if you like one-trick ponies. As of yet.......you STILL have not addressed any aspects of Jesus as savior, lord, mediator, intercessor, advocate, healer, righteous branch, etc. etc. Have you advanced in your relationship with the lord Jesus......or do you wear your pfal-pajamas to bed every night? You have curtailed your wayspeak, but then with juvenile-frequency talk about gsc-speak as a diversion tactic. So, you're offering a study guide on "the supremacy of God's Word".......and the twit-cult offers "the prevailing word." Hmmm.......is there a difference?

Rich........imo, you are bordering on Bibliolatry [......Historic Christianity has never endorsed worship of the Bible itself, as worship is explicitly reserved only for God.] Your statements like......"The Bible is what matters. Just read and study that and we'll be OK." I disagree with you. You sound like VP and the never-ending doctrine to "study and stand approved before God." Study, study, study......yeah, right. No thanks. Clearly, there is Jesus as savior, lord, mediator, intercessor, etc. aspects to one's personal relationship with the Lord via holy spirit within. Time and again, we see Paul and others herald these truths. Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle.......Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.....etc. etc. Imo, you are here agitating people with your "study, study, holier-than-others-doctrine"........and you haven't added ONE THING of substance that's changed my opinion. You sound like you're starting your like side-group and are trying to hype your soap to anyone who'll listen. No thanks.

Nice try on the "GSC speak" diversion angle.........splat You stay in the echo chamber of pfal.........and your wayspeak gives you away.

.......EXCEPT when they're not. "All nine all the time"......................wierwille "I just want to see the baby"..........wierwille "....the word is still the word"..........wierwille

Rich.......your answers are all over the place. In one post, you boast about wierwille teaching you "all nine all the time." In the next post, you say you don't give a whiff about wierwille, twi, or any splinter groups. You note I Corinthians 12 and John 14:12......like that's your "teaching" in a nutshell. Clearly, you don't even have a modicum of compassion or discernment to throw around your judgments. Gawd......could you be any more juvenile? You condescend to us.......and expect respect in return? WOW, with your moral/spiritual superiority complex......I'm sure you are a hoot to have around. Respect is earned and you haven't earned any so far. Big deal......you piloted Ambassador One. So what? At this point, you haven't grasped one iota of the posters' lives, professions, or backgrounds on this discussion forum.....yet, you say "everyone here is on a short fuse when it comes to VP." So now.........the concluding summary of your GSC-perusal is that EVERYONE is wound tight. It must be exhausting to be able to discern such information in such a short period of time.

And, Rich.........just so you know, that "all nine all the time" slick-vic slogan was DROPPED from twi. From 1990-1998 (when I exited twi).........I never once heard that slogan again. Not from martindale. Not from my region coordinators. Not on a sunday teaching tape. Just like the word "twig"........it was phased out of existence. Even the twit-cult had to adapt from time to time from slick-vic chicanery. Funny, that its the sycophants who exited twi but STILL repeat the slogans.....that show up on Facebook and/or troll GSC.

When I think of wayspeak, rrobs .........this is what I mean. You came into The Café stating this: So, rrobs.......since you're into teaching "the word" could you expound on this? Could you cite chapter and verse? Did any disciple or apostle, after the day of Pentecost, ever state "this truth" doing ALL nine of them ALL the time? You see........it's wayspeak that cannot be backed by scripture, and yet.......you said you operate all nine all the time. That's why I challenge you to expound on it. You say your desire is to teach and help us here at GSC.........okay, do it. Teach me how this "all nine all the time" has a biblical basis. I don't want generic cherry-picking of scripture.....I would like to see you detail it from the scriptures. Can you do that?

Rich........in 178 pages, lots of topics have come up in this About The Way forum. Greasespot Café has many forums and missions......BUT one of the main reasons for this website is "to tell the other side of The Way Ministry." You are posting on a forum that directs its emphasis to ALL THINGS ABOUT TWI. During these 17 years, we've conversed with people who think Jesus will be returning to earth with wierwille's orange book in his hand [the wierwille-worship]........as well as several women who've told their stories of being groped or raped in wierwille's motor coach. The stories and accounts have run the full continuum. Clearly, you must realize that coming to a website and preaching wayspeak to those of us who've exited twi's doors is a fool's errand. If we wanted wierwille-doctrine, then we'd still be there, right? Or, in an offshoot, splinter group that espouses the same doctrine. Many of us went thru wierwille's corps training.........a few of us were ordained. We KNOW whereof we speak. Until you break free from the buzzwords, pfal slogans and one-liners.......imo, you are STILL following wierwille, the man, and all his ilk. Check out this link......Wierwille and the Pauline Epistles. Rich, just a reminder.........don't paint all GSC-posters with a broad brush. It makes you look petty......and engaging in strife. Surely, your Christian values are higher than that, yes? One of the main reasons I come to this website is to help those who've been bruised, burdened and broken [Luke 4:18].......and, I've come to understand that wierwille skewed and skewered plenty of scriptures along the way to stealthily build a cult with anti-Christian tenets. The Book of Galatians should have been heeded in the early 70s !!! Stick around..............we've been addressing these things for 17 years.

Rich.......you still have the wayspeak-buzzwords down pat. One of the most generic concepts was "The Word"........when chris geer wrote his patriarch paper, it was filled with psycho-babble and how he was delivering wierwille's "last will and testament." It was loaded with buzzspeak that the corps were "off The Word".......yet, no specifics. Nothing. Nada. When you talk about "the body divided"........do you NOT realize that wierwille taught division, us versus them, twi vs denominations? Family versus Household? Household versus The True Remnant? Corps versus Non-corps? I don't know what way ministry you are referring to........when I was inresidence in 1978, I was reproved for spending time with a College Division girl during self-structured time? Twi implemented and taught a caste system. Twi divided people by class, nametags and allegiance. Very, very few teachings expanded on making Jesus lord of our lives, allowing him to be mediator between God and man. All those accounts in the gospels where Jesus went out early in the morning to pray...........in wierwille's corps training, we had to have our butt in a seat at 5:20am so that "they could teach us the word." You see, Rich......much of what you yearn for, I see as FALSE TEACHING. In so many areas, we were taught by a FALSE TEACHER. Here at GSC, some posters who've attended REAL seminaries.......expound on the scriptures in whole new vistas of light. You might learn some things if you stick around.

Rich.......the wierwille doctrine, as taught to the way corps, was that those who "left The Way Ministry" were cop-outs and were walking into darkness. So, while you laud your "wierwille associations and captain of Ambassador One"..........you fail to connect the dots of his delusions and hypocrisy. Although I knew the others....Race, Cardullo and Curtis....I don't remember you. Perhaps, you came onboard while I spent those years in Canada......but I have no memory of your twi-involvement or whether you were corps or not. But, if you were corps......you would have know wierwille's vehement intolerance for those who "left the Way." Wierwille castigated them.....and stated that they "left God." See, that's the thing.....you hold onto the nostalgia parts, but avoid the wierwille's directness and teachings. Quote the scripture all you want......wierwille abided by a tweaked private interpretation of what he deemed "The Word." I seriously doubt that you've ever taken much time to consider: Why such a "godly" ministry like twi became toxic overnight? Why wierwille ran to chris geer rather than handle disagreements with the trustees in a biblical manner? Why wierwille's passing of the mantle to craig martindale went down in lawsuits and a major thud? Why wierwille died of cancer.......of which, in his advanced classes he taught as a devil spirit? Why wierwille's Van Wert Church unanimously agreed to his resignation.....and had his name stricken from the clergy registrar? Why wierwille's drunkenness and chain-smoking affected his health.....and he lacked any discipline to change? Why wierwille NEVER cast out any devil spirits.....although he threw the "possessed" label around constantly? Etc. etc. etc. Time to take off those rose-colored glasses........

Hmm......I seem to remember Captain John Race for wierwille's plane, Ambassador One.