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Yeah......and possibly, with mounting evidence and similar experiences with such men, these women would have been heard and believed. Amazing ain't it?........the lewd acts of sexual harassment when men have authoritative power over women GSC posters have detailed accounts of wierwille walking around naked at a women's way home, groping/raping women in motor coach. ......"Uncle" Harry groping a corps woman's breast and commenting on how firm it was. ......a young WOW Ambassador girl invited to wierwille's motor coach. Then, thrown off WOW field because she refused him. ......sex porn video of two women and a dog shown to the in-residence corps, a "Christian" training program. ......and martindale, proclaiming that vpw told him that sex outside of marriage ministers to these women's needs. ......and Rosalie deposed in a court of law, stating that she KNEW martindale was having sexual relations as early as 1995. ......then martindale, stating that he has "blessed" hundreds of women (via sex) thru the years. Rotten, sexual predation has been coursing thru wierwille's minus-tree since its inception......

OMG.........un-frikkin-believable Could it possibly get worse? This whole thing is seriously warped. WAP 3.0........mimicking the skinny tie class and storylines?

Oh, it's relevant alright..........thanks, T-Bone. I find it interesting to study the "class-history" of the twit-cult...... Stolen class [1953] from BG Leonard.......and swaths of plagiarism from Stiles, Bullinger, Kenyon and others 1967 class............and pulling out segments that confused students / shortening class to 33-hrs 1977 pfal..............scrapped when wierwille couldn't muster the quality/discipline needed WAP.....................featuring dancing doofus and the lesbian sex in the garden WAP..........with corps teaching from the red syllabus [ignoring the white elephant who was ousted and moved to Toledo] WAP2........using 3 guys to "teach" certain sections or whatever........ Have I got that right? Since I exited before martindale got booted by twi's lawyers.......I heard this stuff on GSC. Detailed accounting of twi's deceptive, polished history EXPOSES THE WIERWILLE-MYSTIQUE.......and clears the way for people to exit the twi-cult without guilt, fear or condemnation. These GSC threads relieve people of the heavy burdens that this RELIGIOUS CULT heaped on the shoulders of the deceived followers. Talk about HAPPY THANKSGIVING...................

Can't we do both?.......... Come to GSC and discuss topics openly Find a decent church (if you want to) Put me on the list as one who still cares...........because I believe there is value in transparency. For those who are still caught in the snare of revering the wierwille-mystique and living a lifetime in a cult, GSC provides answers. When I feel like my time here is no longer of value, I will stop coming here. Just five months ago........there was ANOTHER mini-exodus from the cult. How many? 40? 60? 100? And, with their exits.....how about their children and grandchildren? What is the value for them coming to GSC and reading thru these threads? Will it help them to heal, connect the dots and move forward? I certainly hope and pray that it does. I still think that I can do both......walk and chew gum. If the day comes when I can no longer do both........I'll stop chewing gum.

More yes-men teach segments: Two Advantages As you noted, if one exits twi......only certain sections need to be redone. But the bigger advantage............since rozilla is not adept at teaching (that's an understatement!) having several people teach the fnc/int/adv classes, it removes the "adulation factor to THE TEACHER" diffusing its effect. Whereas, now......everyone knows that the one who orders the policies and mandates, i.e. the administrative side, is where the adulation spotlight and power levers reside. NO LONGER does the cult need a charismatic leader at the helm...........although, it's good to have him nearby in the grave where he surpassed sainthood and is lauded as mog-status with all the gift ministries, including sexual predation and a plagiarist drunk.

PFAL and WAP.....what's the difference? One was built on the deception of "infallibility".....it was as perfect as perfect can be. .........hiding in the shadows of stolen property and plagiarism from Leonard. Then, WAP......was build on the concept of "the present truth" that needed a refresh button every week, month and year. .........which put all grads paying to go thru a turnstile to gain cult access and purged the others who stopped paying. I seriously doubt that the narcissist wierwille ever gave it a thought that "his class" would go on a back burner. EVER.

Go Ahead, Mike...............protest as much as you like But how are you going to protest FIRST-HAND, EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS and DOCUMENTATION from Mrs. Wierwille? She was the dutiful wife who gave her accounting of events. She documented many things that stand juxtaposed to vpw's snappy bloviating. She, too, sat in Leonard's class......and then, her husband rushed home and started signing up people for that Oct 1953 class. Idolizing wierwille doesn't change twi's historical reckoning of its theft and plagiarism. TWI was a SPLINTER from Leonard's work and class-based ministry. It is an undeniable FACT.

IN OTHER WORDS..........Mrs. Wierwille's book jumps around DELIBERATELY TRYING TO DISTANCE VP WIERWILLE FROM LEONARD: HERE is the timeline and logical progression of events........but then, it becomes obvious that wierwille took Leonard's class (twice), hijacked it and ran with it as his own in October 1953. The sequence of events and shows clearly how wierwille stole this class-based ministry from Leonard in 1953. Page 90.........B.G. Leonard's class in Calgary, Alberta........February 1953 [wierwille was a student] Page 91.........B.G. Leonard's class in June/July 1953........Mrs. W and Don were new students, along with seven others from Van Wert Page 92.........2 more paragraphs on B.G. and ..."given a giant step in knowledge by Brother Leonard." Page 99.........In October 1953.....wierwille teaches same class in Ohio, class photo in book Page 100......"A syllabus for the class was formed, based on the inspired teachings at the first class. This syllabus was used for each class taught thereafter, enlarged and revised........" [wierwille didn't present anyone with a syllabus, because he had to put space between "his" class and the one Leonard had taught him.]

I think that I should state my position more clearly...... VPW *could teach* a live class.......if he put in the time and discipline, but he was lazy as documenting throughout his childhood. He always took shortcuts and plagiarized from others who HAD put in the work. And, his narcissistic tendencies didn't help matters.........in his mind, he was entitled to "lord over others" and do as he damn well pleased. So, now at this PFAL '77 class, wierwille was age 60 and......had even less discipline in his life. If he wanted to sit at his desk, sip on his Drambuie-coffee and teach PFAL '77....... then that's what he was going to do. Updating the pfal class for future generations be damned. The narcissist had taught it "perfect" once..........that was enough.

And, lest we forget.................the 1967 pfal class, originally, had TWO OTHER SEGMENTS in it. What were they?......1) "The Day Jesus Christ died" (??) and 2) "The Unforgiveable Sin" (??).....iirc The unforgivable sin was taken out because it confused people who thought that they'd committed this sin and couldn't get born again.... And...........some "intermediate class" info had to be scrubbed......so pfal became a 33-hour class, not 36-hours. IN OTHER WORDS..........pfal was far from this "perfect class" that some like to describe. .

Wierwille blaming others.................surely not. LOL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I eventually came to know that wierwille plagiarized wholesale from B.G. Leonard's class, "The Gifts of the Spirit." On page 90 of Mrs. W's book is Leonard and his students after the February 1953 class.......seven new students, and vpw is in the back row. On page 91 is Leonard's class in June/July 1953........mrs. wierwille and don wierwille are there with seven other students from Van Wert, twenty-five students in all. [Note: vpw attended this class also, but was not included with the *new students* in the class photo.] Then, wiewille drove back to Ohio and started signing up family, friends and neighbors for "his" class in October 1953. Page 100.............. "The people who had had been part of B.G. Leonard's class on 'The Gifts of the Spirit' were considered graduates and not included in the rosters of Dr. Wierwille's classes." Wierwille's class WAS plagiarized from B.G. Leonard.........DOCUMENTED in mrs. wierwille's book. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Page 92........ "B.G. built people's believing by his tremendous, God-given ability as a teacher. On top of that, he was truly a one-man show. He was so full of life that it was exciting just to be around him. The deliverance that people received was right in the middle of the action of his ministering. We were given a giant step in knowledge by Brother Leonard......" Even mrs. w's book tries to distance her husband from Leonard's work.......page 92 and 93 describes an incident in 1954 of the fortune-teller in Chicago. Page 94 and 95 detail Albert Cliffe and his invitation to the Spiritual 40 Club in January 1953........again, out of sequence. And page 96-98, she gives the background on Bishop K. C. Pillai and Eastern culture........again, meanderings of the past. Obfuscation.....to keep others from connecting the dots of plagiarism.

Now that you mention it........I do remember that. "Things had changed" and this class was *just for us*..............TRANSLATION: Wierwille was not able to teach a LIVE CLASS. He didn't have a grasp of the scripture and materials that he had long plagiarized thru the years, nor did he function well under pressure. With cameras and lights and students in the room, wierwille couldn't have his Drambuie and drink it too. So, when wierwille eliminated the pressure of re-filming this LIVE for generations to come all the a/v pressures, camera angles and class parameters were diminished ...........and vpw could then, again, sip his Drambuie-coffee while sitting at his desk "teaching the class." And further ......by 1977, things were a'changing in twi...........THAT'S FOR SURE.

Infoabsorption.............PFAL '77 was promoted as this "see Dr. Wierwille teach pfal LIVE." This was the 10th anniversary of wierwille's "skinny-tie" class and many at hq believed that it was time to re-film pfal for marketing purposes and posterity. With new cameras to aid in best quality, the students were given instructions on dress code, being quiet......and when to applaud. Camera shots panned the audience at this class in Ball State University, Muncie Indiana and were to be included in this new class. Every effort was made to ensure that Dr. Wierwille's "new foundational class" would be top quality. At age 60, many thought that this would be the last time wierwille would step up to the plate and teach this class live. But when the class ended and the final product was taken back to hq and examined........it had several flaws in it. Also, the material, stories and "spontaneity of jokes" came off flat......definitely, didn't surpass the '67 class. From what I had heard......that was the gist of things. So, the '67 class was going to have to keep plugging along.......skinny tie and all. Others might be able to give you more details. And, of course..................it was all hushed over. I mean, who wants to admit that "the man of gawd" failed to deliver a better product.

Here, let me help get the ball rolling..............on Volume II Aug 1957..............Wierwille resigns (fired?) from Van Wert church Dec 1957..............Twi Begins its independent endeavor 1958-1960............Classes run and Troy/Piqua want hq in their area Feb 1961...............Wierwille moves hq to farm / first en masse exodus 1961-1966.............Slow going......more classes / most drift away 1967......................Filming of PFAL / Too intense lighting and other flaws 1968,69.................Attempts to sway Hefner/Doop and "Jesus Movement" to twi 1969......................Wierwille pulls rank and funnels all monies to hq 1970......................Seeds of Way Corps and its indoctrination program 1971-1976............Corps Program.......failed, then restarted.....gaining 320 in 6th corpse 1977.....................Attempt to re-film pfal at PFAL '77........failed Fall 1977..............Harry Wierwille dies.....and Don/Howard put on BOT 1978.....................More and more corps are leaving twi / wierwille starts writing corps letters 1978.....................More sexual predation......any outspoken women disparaged and sent packing 1978....................Three 8th corps do "rogue" research / wierwille upset and redefines *research* 1978....................Lots of "cop out" terminology and guilt/threats 1979....................Adv Class '79......more pushback on cults / deprogramming 1980,81...............Major push for Camp Gunnison/Rodeo School/Cabins financed by sunset corps 1981....................Ambassador One flights to bring people to hq and new osc office facilities 1981....................Wierwille gets more testy with his corps / drambuie in coffee is common knowledge 1981....................Calls 8th corps guy possessed in BRC.........yet, NO CASTING OUT OF SPIRIT 1981....................Never witnessed ONE actual significant operation of "big 6 manifestations"......NOT ONE 1982....................Retirement......Living Victoriously......wierwille served for 40.....er, 25 yrs as twi prez 1983....................Vp stays in background as martindale ascends to tout his "spirituality" 1984....................Vp spends lots of time at Indiana Campus going thru book "Bedside Manners" 1984....................More health issues / prosthetic eye 1984....................Publically confronts trustees on how they are "getting off the word" 1984,85...............Sound Out '84........Harmony of the Gospels at Grand Ole Opry 1985....................Demise.........and heads to Gartmore to be with Geer May 1985............Wierwille dies and is buried in the Garden of Living Waters There ...........THAT WAS EASY

It Is Already Written...............by the blood, sweat, and tears of GreaseSpotters

Why doesn't rozilla write volume II of the wierwille legacy? She knows the cunning art of deception She oversaw way publications for years She knows "vp's heart" behind way productions What else does she have to do all day?

................ ain't that the truth.

The Wierwille Legacy: Who Will Write The Book? When will someone from the inner-sanctum cult finish writing "Volume II" [1961-1985]......extending Mrs. W's biography of her husband's 44 years? Who, from the inner-circle of Wierwille-days is going to come forward and write "Wierwille and His Secrets"...........a tell-all of deception/corruption? Once again, twi flaunts their "75th (cough cough) Anniversary Celebration"..........with sycophant singers of early daze, but they CAN'T seem to finish "The Wierwille Legacy" in book form. What is wrong with this legacy.....er, picture? Mrs. Wierwille's book was published in 1996 and gave details up to the point of moving to the farmstead in February 1961. The book ends..........And? Why can't one of those spiritually-rocketed "all nine all the time" finish documenting wierwille's life? Aspects of Mrs. W's Book On the flip side...........is there any one out there from wierwille's inner-circle that has the fortitude to write about what went on behind the scenes, back-stage, in wierwille's cult? Sure, we have a great book written by Charlene Edge that details plenty on her recruitment into twi and later, the glaring "biblical research" aspects that she ran up against........but what about someone from wierwille's inner-circle? Of course, I don't expect a Chris Geer to divulge wierwille's lust, drunkenness, sexual predation or bullying......but what about someone else? You mean to tell me that thru all those years every one of those yes-men are going to take these secrets with them to the grave? Now, the splinter group guys.........Geer, Lynn, Finnegan, Wrenn, Burton, Seed, Clapp, etc. have a stake in bolstering the wierwille image and legacy. They feed off it. It is in their interests to not "rock the ship" or "bite the hand that feeds them"........I get that. But, amazing the number of corps leaders who've stayed silent..............scroll down, Why The Silence? Why the silence?..............indoctrinated / sycophant to the cult doctrine Why the silence?..............complicity to the deception / sexual predation Why the silence?..............don't speak ill of "the man of God" Why the silence?..............life moves on / quit looking back Why the silence?..............having "The Word" taught was paramount Why the silence?..............other reasons ??? THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING.................. If wierwille / twi was so great...............where are ALL the people? What about ALL OTHER WAY PRODUCTIONS at "75th".........not just Claudette, Debra, Trudy, pppppfffffffttt. Some 30,000 who are NO LONGER with twi, the mother-ship of wierwille's making And, the wierwille legacy is UNFINISHED.........................WHY?

Yeah.......that sounds about right, chock. And.........the evening's crescendo song was "Wash Your Feet in the Blood of the Wicked" (or whatever that song was......)

Is that eye in a display case in the Victor Paul Wierwille Prevailing Word Auditorium? Wierwille still keeping an eye out for the cult he started......

Eye saw what you did there.......waysider .......like when wierwille would pass his eye around the room for all to see. .......sure that's normal, everyone with a prosthetic eye takes it out and passes it around the room.

Time in a Bottle ---- one of the great songs of all time!

The show began with a simulation of the Vesper Chimes Youth Hour program, ........the beginning of The Way International......er, FABRICATED LIES THAT HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED IN MRS. WIERWILLE'S BOOK, NO LESS. Oh well, if the cult wants to live in a deceiving world of lies and fantasies, I could care less. My concern is to help alert others that this cult has a seedy side that seduces and entraps people into a life that consumes them. While some may choose the institutionalization, I am NOT one of them.................... But hey........at least they're not Dancing with Wierwille's Corpse

"When Claudettee Royal, Debra Olthouse, Trudy Yeats, Debra Berger, Marsha Perry and Bob Stanley came on stage, they were savvy enough to wait on their opening bars, give us a chance to greet them in thunderous applause." ~~~~~ WHAT A BUNCH OF CONFLATED BULLCRAAAP.........oooooh, they were savvy enough to wait on their cues to enter stage right. Leave it to Clem Robins, 10th Corps ......and his artistic flare for expressive arts to go off the deep end with this "review."

What?............no dynamic teaching that turned their hearts to the Lord? What?............no "biblical research" that opened their eyes to that mighty, prevailing Word? What?............no signs, miracles or wonders that demonstrated the Lord is present? Just songs of yesteryear that took them back to group hugs and cult daze.......songs that took them to emotional nostalgia. Maybe those who "write the songs" should be grafted into the board of directors.......since the directors are the walking dead.