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Jean-Yves................so, how was your first year as pResident of twi? I supposed, by now, that you've realized that you HAVE TO do the bidding of Rosalie..........otherwise, you'll be demoted and sent packing. I mean.........just look, rupp and greene will easily vote with da-queen. You, Jean-Yves........are a pawn.

Hey, Mike.......your position is centered on "wierwille's writings," right? Not wierwille's teachings, per se.........nor his character...........nor his "demonstrating God's power" or lack thereof........right? Well, consider this: Have you taken ANY TIME looking thru wierwille's letters to way corps? Letters/writings FROM wierwille.........

Yes, retirement or closing-in-on-retirement..........AND.........the fact that rosa-lie wanted to set up a "retiree" program with hoops and reporting back. Being micromanaged for decades was hard, for sure.......but, to be micromanaged at their age and OFF PAYROLL was a bridge too far. I think this "perfect storm" hit them from several sides at once.......and they'd FINALLY had enough.

Thanks Twinky......I was editing it when you posted.

Thanks Grace....... It was intense......and I really tried to stay focused. Having interaction with other posts adding to this documentation was elucidating on many levels, but I certainly had to refrain from answering every post. Running off on a hundred different tangents wouldn't have kept my message on track. Looking back.......it was a confluence of events that helped me to decide to *put it out there* for others to see. And, with Charlene's book so hot off the press......I was inspired to "connect the dots" of what had happened after she'd resigned from the research department at headquarters. The only changes I would make.......are around page 11.......when I closed it out too quickly. I should have stepped back for a few days......and put things on pause. I was too emotional in the end.........broken to see how much my parents loved me and tried to help me out of this cult. .

Glad to help.

Hey Mike.......... If you want me to ASSIST you in detailing your "thesis paper"....... Here's an example of how I approached my "thesis" of wierwille's/twi's dark underbelly...............Insanity on Steroids

Mike........... all of your rebuttals, sidesteps, and tangents expose your credibility. Many posters have strongly encouraged you to: Stay away and write your position paper or "thesis" Not allow postings to distract you Giving you time and space Encouraging your efforts I went silent for one week......... so as not to contribute to your flailing excuses. And now......you start again with sidetracks. You got NOTHING man.............You've lost ALL CREDIBILITY as far as I'm concerned. 40 years of squat....down the hole......."honoring a fraudster's writings." What you look at .........YOU BECOME (i.e.....Xeroxed fraud) .

Naw, lol................that was my high school girlfriend.

Nice, Twinky....... Hopefully, this isn't just a thread about cars, but........YOUR LIFE before the cult days. This isn't exactly the same 1972 900z1 Kawasaki that I had......but it's close. Same paint scheme, 4 cylinders, 4 carburetors, air-cooled.......and lots of chrome.

1967 Ford Galaxie 500................. my first car

T-Bone............LOL Several of us young bucks would pile into someone's car and cruise the country roads (drinking a beer or two)...... ........singing to the tunes of the radio.

There is nothing like songs......to remind me what life was like before the cult detour. The early 70s were the best of memories........as I was in high school. Driving a 1967 Ford Galaxie, 2-door, fastback, 390 engine.......and then, a 900 Kawasaki motorcycle.... Driving fast, dating, sports, hunting, fishing...........and dancing.

Oh yeah.......many WOWs after rock of ages were never heard from again. Same with some corps after graduation................gone. I left 20 years ago......and STILL can't hardly believe that I stayed that long. It wasn't because of wierwille-mystique nor wierwille's writings, that's for sure. The social contract of helping others is noble......IF the organization has noble motives.

When a thread like The Wierwille Legacy comes along and sucks up all the oxygen in the room, I believe that it is an extreme example of how followers viewed wierwille, his writings and/or twi. Not trying to be disrespectful to Mike in any way......I simply stated that "he was a cult of one." In fact, I have many times stated that social cohesion, or group cohesiveness, was the underlying foundation that kept "followers" in this group for years and decades. The primary motive for staying, for most (not all), was social cohesion......i.e. access to others, activity, self-worth, a-cause-bigger-than-self, part of a movement, etc. While on staff 1981-1983 (at the height of wierwille's "glory years" of Ambassador One flights, Living Victoriously, High Country Caravan Filming, and Sound Out '84..........corps and staff were buzzing around with plenty of activity. Yet, on corps nights in the OSC lunchroom........dozens of corps who sat at the back of the room hardly took any notes. And, forgive my skepticism when I say........."who ever took the time to go back and study ANY of their corps notes?" So......while its eye-opening to see someone come along and have this hyper-fixation to the "writings of wierwille"........it's beyond the pail of most everyone I ever was around in twi, except Chris Geer. And even then, I believe that Geer was a surgical-opportunist wanting to get into wierwille's inner-circle, and more. To me........the pfal class was the nectar and social cohesion (activity) kept the bees a-buzzing. The more "involved"......the more one was "in the know." Climbing the pyramid......getting to the next level increased "perceived" spiritual stature. Headquarters was inundated with social activity.......not staffers who sat around with lexicons and concordances. One of the posters here, years ago, said that Rosalie told her that she didn't need to read the Bible, because she was constantly editing publications for the way magazine......i.e. reading "the word" every day at work. Although cohesion is a multi-faceted process, it can be broken down into four main components: 1) social relations, 2) task relations, 3) perceived unity, and 4) emotions. No matter the task, staffers were led to believe that they were "helping to move the word over the world." If you were a carpenter, your work helped in that perceived goal. If you worked kitchen staff, then your preparation of the food that day helped nourish leaders and staffers to do their work.......every person interconnected and adding to the cohesion of the group. Of course, here at GSC we know that the cult took this cohesion and seduced it.........with buzzwords, incremental indoctrination, isolationism, unbridled adulation, etc. People stay/stayed in twi........because of social relations.......the longer you stay, the more "interconnected" you become task relations..........the longer you stay, the more "valuable" you become perceived unity.......the longer you stay, the more "invested" you become emotions.................the longer you stay, the more "committed" you become The intricacies of social cohesion are vast and wide........and, so often, are overlooked as a main component of the cult's infrastructure. I'm sure that there are others here at GSC that can convey this topic much better than I have. In summary.........from all my years in twi, I believe that social cohesion was and is the underlying foundation of why people stay. There is NO laser-eyed focus on the Scriptures and following its precepts. While twi touts itself as a "Biblical Research, Teaching and Fellowship" ministry......there's no research department, only readings on sunday sermons, and very few even like hanging out with others in their branch (except at meetings). Oh Lordy, Lordy........what a tangled web they weave when first they practice to deceive..........

Wierwille got his "doctor of theology degree" from a BOGUS correspondence degree-mill. Even as early as 1963......the Baptist Program magazine noted the gimmicks and bargain-basement style of these places where non-denominational preachers went fishing for theology degrees. Wierwille did his meager correspondence work with Pikes Peak Seminary and Burton College in Manitou Springs, CO in 1948. And.........then, there's this 1963 Baptist Publication.......Listing U.S. Diploma Mills Pikes Peak Bible Seminary / Burton College...............same

Here is some info on the 1948 Pikes Peak graduation..... No picture in Mrs. W's book of "graduating class"........vague reference to *students from India, China* (raising more doubts about size of graduating class)

If an old branch falls from a dying tree...............does it make a sound?

Mike.......as you keep striving for its purity, it shouldn't be long before you reach the state of Clear. Oh sorry.............wrong cult.

And......even though wierwille stole the foundational class, its retention numbers and percentages were abysmal. Mike lauds "all the good" that pfal brought..............yet When I took pfal........we started with 12 students. After four sessions, there were 9 students.......and two weeks after the class, only 3 of us were left. These drop-off and drop-out ratios have been posted dozens of times in first-hand accounts on GSC. Why did SO MANY exit even before the 12th session of pfal? Did they see red flags that alerted them to exit? Was it the constraints and/or inflexibility of the class schedule? They didn't like the presentation or class material? No consideration for questions, thoughts or individuality? ......perhaps, a combination of all of the above.

Yes........and notice, the pigeon dictates the boundaries of the chessboard............."the pfal-writings." What is NOT on the chessboard is...... Scripture...............namely, I Timothy 3 Vpw's character and manner of life Demonstration of holy spirit....ie. 9 manifestations Shall know them by their fruit........what was vic's fruit? Built on sand.......it comes crashing down Etc. etc. As long as the boundaries are "the writings of wierwille".........the pigeon will continue to strut and schit all over this board.

Mike.........I think that it's fair to say that you are a cult of one.

Gee........."unreadable".......sounds just like what wierwille said of B.G. Leonard's material. Now, I just think you're mimicking the wierwille screed......

Hey twi..........keep your millions, security guards and "ice fortress".................pppfffffffttttt. LOVE is an open door !!