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Check out thread, "Short stay, good memories"..................in fact, I'll bump it for you.

So_crates......... Wierwille was nearly 51 years old when he filmed this 1967 class. Clearly, thru the years......he used cunning and stealth to plagiarize from others. Often, he'd tweak paragraphs, phrases, poems, and one-liners just enough.........to hide the source. Hell........the guy even stole "The Red Thread" teaching from Oral Roberts. Much of what we saw in wierwille's foundational class and stories was ..........pre-emptive strikes. You see, wierwille was crafty.......and spent decades hiding in the shadows and hitch-hiking off other's work and reputations. IMO.......that is why the "hitch-hiker" analogy in pfal was so strikingly real. Wierwille WAS the hitch-hiker. He being a drunk......wierwille expounded on the "drunk story" and challenged all student to NOT judge. And, that he went back to his office and knelt and prayed to God that he would never teach another negative sermon......blah, blah, blah. Well?.....did he teach other negative sermons? Yep. Parlaying all this together.......heck, wierwille told us that he'd need to read it "line by line, and word for word BEFORE he would call the Great Apostle Paul a sex pervert!" WOWSERS......sex pervert? Who was even thinking that.....besides wierwille? Was THAT a pre-emptive strike.....to squelch "rumors" of wierwille's sexual predation? I think so. So......when your thread addresses this "more abundant life"..........it's a pre-emptive strike to get us to solely focus on "the more abundant life is SPIRITUAL"...... Yet, wierwille stayed on church payroll until August 1957.........never served one day on any "mission field" helping others Later, surrounded himself with harleys, motor coach, plane, bodyguards, etc. Parked his motor coach at Indy 500 to hobnob with big wigs.... Tried to entice wealthy donors and celebrities to come to hq... Exploited the way corps to work for free at every event..... Etc..... Bait-and-switch.........starts class with John 10:10.......but then, cherry-picks all over the bible to stake his claim that "the abundant life means spiritual abundance." .

ANYONE with common-sense management skills, proper discernment and empathy for others........COULD SEE that this "high-speed train" was going to derail. Imagine........year after year, you are REQUIRED to take 3 weeks leave of pay......THEN work-for-free at corps wk/roa. Then.............drive home, and have added stress at work to catch up......OR.........need to find new employment And...............if you were married and had little kids, you were separated from them (mostly) during this time Also...............what about your OWN family??......parents/siblings/nieces/nephews........reunions/weddings/funerals/birthday celebrations The corps couples who started having children............of course, parents wanted to see them and spend time with NEW GRANDBABIES The demands and restraints put upon the corps by wierwille was IN-YOUR-FACE EXPLOITATION. There was NO WAY this was going to continue.......and each year, more and more corps drifted away. Understandably !! Wierwille was a narcissistic bully.........with NO compassion or christian character. NONE. The cult was DIVIDING families............the cult was ANTI-family.

At next corps meeting in Auditorium..........all corps should wear this lapel pin:

I've held this view TOWARD the Trustees/Directors/Puppeteers...................for a long time. THEY are the Pharisees, the Abusers, the Deceivers.................

Long-standing corps wanted to receive this Emeritus status.......to pin to their chests; a mark of distinguished service. Instead............Rosalie and her pimps took out their mark/avoid lapel pins and pinned THOSE to corps' chests. Lapel pin:

Unraveling the cult indoctrination..........is an arduous undertaking. Lots of overlapping ethics and principles.......but it takes honesty, humility, receptiveness, reflection, etc. Everything that you've been taught or experienced in the cult is suspect.......no stone should be left unturned. In the letter posted above, Melody Ann starts the unraveling process. She may or may not know it yet, but she ALREADY is working her way back to wierwille's cult structure, false teachings, and deceptive agenda: .......manmade policies and mandates / squelching the spirit of God within .......The Book of Acts does not support a headquarters type of structure with 3 or more leading the entire ministry from the top .......already, she has read the book, "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse" .......yet, still wants recognition and approval from board members to claim *emeritus status*.........[More to unravel ---- one foot in, one foot out] .......twi became micromanagers dictating what to teach and what not to teach......[Umm, this has been going on for decades!] .......tithing – is not in the Grace Administration.........[and just wait till you start questioning wierwille's "dispensationalism" doctrine] .......no research department.......realizing that the cult leaders' positions and teachings are firmly cemented. No change is forthcoming.... The corps program was indoctrinated *followship*............NOT leadership. And, splinter groups are NOT the answer either.

40 years or more of "service"..............donchaknow ........and wondering if they'd be stigmatized with DFAC (dropped from active corps) ........or wondering if they'd be notched back to "Corps Alumni Status" ........or just another butt in a seat attending a home fellowship STATUS IS EVERYTHING.......to lord over others!!

Ding, Ding, Ding.............a central point of great contention surfaced! They changed the Emeritus status (a term that confers automatically upon all persons who retire at a given rank, a mark of distinguished service)......... to Retired Status and THEN, wanted them to sign up for more work. The Board of Manipulators wanted to squeeze MORE WORK out of them. Obviously, these corps who were age 60-70..........on the verge of retiring, or wanting to retire with a "distinguished service public record" and THEN FOUND OUT that the cult pulled the rug out from under them. Rosalie wanted to keep exploiting them to write more articles, do more projects, etc. etc. BOOM...............the cult reality when the curtain is pulled back. Emeritus status is only bestowed upon the favored few. .

GreaseSpot Café continues to be a goldmine for those searching for answers. Clearly, those who've recently exited twi will spend years unraveling the cult indoctrination..... Lots and lots of threads will help them..........and just to name a few: The Game of Incrementalism Untoward Secrecy Manipulation of One's Consent Twi Plunders Individual Sovereignty Insanity on Steroids Thank you Paul Allen..........for starting Waydale in April 1999.

My comments in red. More to come....... Unraveling the cult indoctrination.............

The topic of indoctrination........and, once detected, how does one go about to unravel it.......continues to be of great interest to me. On this thread, I'd like to examine and explore this issue of "Unraveling the Cult Indoctrination" by re-visiting a post on the Revival and Restoration thread. In this Facebook post, Melody Ann Carter delves into aspects of her 40-year history of twi-involvement........and now, is grappling with justifying those four-decades of commitment. And, since she took to social media........it's "out there" for all to see. First, I must say.........I have empathy for her and Kevin's situation. But, but........ But 40-years???........ ....when corps/clergy were exiting 1978-1985 as wierwille opined in his corps letters ....when a huge swath of corps left in 1987/1988 and splinters arose ....when the full-time corps experiment ended in a resounding thud ....when martindale was ousted in 2000 and abuses were silenced ....when rosalie kept micromanaging you guys another 16 years!

An Insidious Plan..........(proceeding in a gradual, subtle way; intending to entrap and harm) Where spiritual abuse intersects with multi-level marketing scams People are disposable......keep payroll and any "retirement pensions" at minimum levels Whitewash the history......and laud programs and classes with International wayspeak Love-bomb the newbies with all the "benefits" to their biblical research Keep polishing the bannisters and manicuring the grass.....newbies won't see deception Entrap them in dependency to commit/give to the cult (gain access to their wallets) Generic website and way magazines......all information and contact lists centrally controlled The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

Damn straight, DWBH......................you rock !! THAT is what leadership looks like......and should have been taught and detailed in corps training. LOVE in all of its manifestations helping others.......caring for the weak and vulnerable, ministering to the wounded souls, fighting against those who ravage the flock, leading them to "still waters and green pastures," replenishing their souls with righteous nutrition, etc. etc. In essence, to follow in the steps of Jesus Christ, the Great Shepherd. In Canada, from March 1984 - April 1987.........my wife and I embraced our duties of ministering/oversight of the Canadian brethren with every fiber of our beings. We deemed it an honor and privilege of a lifetime to serve them. The only reason that our tenure was 3 years......was because our work visas had expired and the Canadian government officials would not extend them. The country coordinators before us were Americans, Danny and Rhonda Stephenson, [3 years]........and then, we had 3 years. The visa/immigration/custom officers terminated our visa status at the end of March 1987.........and then, Randy and Diane Ginn [Canadian birthright citizen] assumed the duties. Here at GreaseSpot Café.........we document the multi-layered fabric of micro-management, legalism and abuse on countless threads. BUT..........THERE WAS A TIME AND PLACE when those things were not so. Canada, for a number of years, was young, vibrant, sharing, loving........without the tentacles of spiritual overlords and mandates. Each year, we had a "Western Canadian Advance" and "Eastern Canadian Advance" that were like a 3-day family gathering of hugs, fun, laughter, prayer/healing, outdoor games, short vibrant evening teachings, and capped the Saturday night with a two-hour songs/talent/skit night. Nearly everyone got involved......and lots of us stayed up till 2am hanging out together, because we just didn't want to go to bed. Love saturated these wonderful times. We had corps and believers in Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Windsor, London, Toronto, Mississauga, Peterborough, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec City and other small hamlets ......most notably around Ontario. During our tenure, the outreach and ABS grew near 300%.........as we stayed valiant for the truth. In confidence, I had many corps and believers tell me that our "Canadian Advances" were far superior to the rock of ages in ohio.

Yes, Chockfull......The Way of Canada was/is registered as a non-profit entity under Canadian governance. All monies (donations/gifts/tithes) stayed in Canada and were documented and all expenses coded under strict restraints in formal ledger and end-of-year accounting. Then, The Way of Canada submitted these records to a yearly audit by a reputable accounting firm. As I remember, the fee of $5,000 for annual audit was deemed a prudent investment to keep The Way of Canada in good standing with governing officials. In retelling this experience and situation in Canada, I am reminded of the "giving and receiving" that I experienced during those three years in Canada. Quite honestly, it seemed like we used way magazines, teaching tapes and yearly themes from twi as a guideline rather than dogma. From Moncton, New Brunswick to Vancouver, British Columbia........there were pockets of believers who didn't care a whit about what was happening at twi's headquarters. The language barriers, the subcultures and demographics of Toronto and Montreal, most notably....... added a vast array of challenges and "liberties," for sure. As you stated above, the Board of Dummies were heavy-handed in exploiting the people........and therefore, limb/region guys didn't have the opportunity that I had. Perhaps, if I'd "run it up the flagpole" all the way to Howard Allen, who oversaw I.O. ..........he might have shot it down. But.......I didn't ask him. I believed that I was walking with God.......and allocating the $4,000 for dental work to a corps grad in need was what I did. Again......I was trying to walk in his steps [Luke 4:18].

One corps grad in Vancouver, British Columbia was struggling with financial burdens and trying to keep pace with attending yearly corps week/roa. She had this amazing, genuine heart to serve others.......giving thanks to her lord and savior, Jesus Christ......to be there for others. So, when it came to my attention that she needed $4,000 for dental work........I addressed this matter at our next executive meeting. [Yes, in Canada......we had a three-member executive board to discuss business and financial decisions. Each year, The Way of Canada paid an audit firm to do a thorough, in-depth yearly audit of our books. Thus, we were tasked with submitting official *meeting minutes* from our executive board to the audit firm.] Without hesitation, we authorized this $4,000 payment/gift to enable this wonderful corps grad to get the best dental care available. And, if she needed more......that was absolutely available. And, it brought great joy to our hearts to see her beautiful smile once again. June Marie Casey...........one of the finest disciples of Christ I ever knew. .............Sadly, she died in a car accident about 17 years later or so [2003 or 2004].

So many failures by veepee............. Zero Corps program........[check] Instilled "Lock-Box" teaching as a Principled Pillar.........[check] Built on a Foundation of Unaccountability to Anyone.........[check] Tried to Update Teaching/Filming of foundational class at PFAL '77........[check] No Accreditation at The Way College of Emporia...........[check] Lauding Camp Gunnison as Premier Vacation Spot and Restaurant for Way Believers...........[check] Sent out corps letters as stop-gap of hemorrhaging corps grads.............[check] The Sno-Way.......an all-terrain vehicle attempt-built by Grumelot and another Family Corps guy......[check] Putting Mantle on Martindale as 2nd prez...............hahahahahahaha.............[check] Word in Culture........Fine Arts House, "Cultural Center," High Country Caravan, etc........splat....[check] The Victors Quartet..................nothing like killing off youthful zeal..........LOL.......[check] Athlete of the Spirit terminology......---> AOS Production.........oops......[check] Corps Exploitation and Labor at corps wk/roa.........not sustainable........[check] Pharisaic Example of "Desiring to be Seen & Served".................[check] NO demonstrating God's Power to the people.......NONE............[check] Flaunting Smoking/Drinking at late night corps mtgs..............[check] Used Motor Coach for Sexual Predation..............[check] Wrecked Twig-Hopper in Ontario and silenced all to secrecy.......[check] Lies and Cover-up of Cause of Death.....CANCER...........[check] Mystique of "man of god"...........like dust in the wind........[check]

THIS WAS WIERWILLE'S ALL NINE ALL THE TIME...... Wierwille was a narcissist....... Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc. Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions Needing continual admiration from others Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain Unwilling to empathize with the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people Intensely envious of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them Pompous and arrogant demeanor

Hardship and Burdens............were heaped upon corps grads and advanced class followers with each passing year. The fact that there is a 21-page (and counting) discussion on "the secret messaging of wierwille's writings" is sleight-of-hand and moot............in my opinion. The Scriptures give us explicit examples and warn us to beware of this type of deception and seduction. Words and fair speeches without confirming results are little more than intellectually theorizing intent. OMG.......wierwille could NOT do what he claimed. Not one time did I ever see him operate "the big SIX manifestations." I have posted of an incident in the BRC where he adamantly proclaimed an 8th corps guy was possessed with devil spirits.......YET, wierwille did nothing but yell, fume and stomp out. Pppfffftttt. THE REASON CORPS STARTED EXITING...............more rapidly by 1980-->.........was hardships and burdens. The burden to attend corps week and roa each year was unsustainable. Anyone with a modicum of empathy for these increasing burdens could SEE THIS. When I was in Canada as the country coordinator.......I had many of these conversations with way corps in Vancouver, B.C. and Calgary, Alberta. It was a HUGE deal to take 3-weeks off EACH YEAR for corps wk/roa. As more corps married........more pregnancies, more babies. Reality was at the front door. Corps grads needed a career path that would strengthen and sustain their families. The burdens to keep apace with the cult-mandates was escalating. Maybe, that is why I highlight the Luke 4:18 reference. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't care how many times someone tries to explain to me "the secret writings of wierwille"............the man was a narcissist, a drunkard, a predator and a bully. He fits every description of a "senses man" drunk on power. I loathe everything about him.......his deception, his cloak of authority, his plagiarism, his sexual predation over corps women I knew and his unrepentant wantonness. To the very end............Wierwille's Wantonness .

The Wierwille Cult was so calloused that it could not register the pain and hardship it put on the way corps. A narcissist and his ilk have no empathy for others. They are driven by self-serving agendas. Anyone who ever thought that wierwille was so caring and walked by revelation (cough, cough).........might want to rethink that. Going, Going.............Gone

Cult Leaders and their Agenda: Manufactured "spiritual oversight" and activity to justify their existence. ~~~~~~~~~~ "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ---- Voltaire

WOW..............just WOW. Crazy stuff here. I just finished watching STANFORD PRISON EXPERIMENT..............(again) on Netflix. You guys might want to hit the pause button on all this.........and go watch it yourselves.

Bump.........."writings of wierwille" The last manipulative letter in this collection.............full of salt-dipped daggers thrusting at the gut instinct to leave this cult.

Question......on picture above Who are the two people on the left ?

Why was Bill Greene ADDED to the board of directors?............. Was he added............because of his vast experience in planning big events? ........Doubt it......simply because twi hardly ever has any big events. LOL Was he added............because of his field experience and outreach efforts? ........Doubt it......all signs point to this cult turning inward with each year. Was he added............so you, JYDL, & Rupp couldn't side together and vote rosie out? ........YES......I believe that that is the main reason greene was brought onboard. Once again.........rosie has maneuvered strategic advantages to her corner. Cross her............and you're gone. Donna will be next in line for promotion.