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Yes.......while some said, "well they haven't asked for money"........many of us said, "it's only a matter of time."

On January 20, 2019........They had a conference weekend in Wichita, Kansas. Three Teachings noted......... Cheerful Giver (by Rico Magnelli) Love is Giving: We Give Because God Gave (by John Ryan) Partners in Giving and Receiving (by Tom Knupp) So now it begins............the need for money, the need to recruit others. And.......why Wichita, Kansas? Is there still a group of loyal wierwille-followers there? .....

To me, it appears that Oikeos....Rico Magnelli........got off to a running start BEFORE this R&R group (Moynihans, Horneys. Fort, etc). Rico met with Rosalie after the August 2016 letter........confronting her head-on. This confrontation led to his immediate dismissal or resignation. Rico moved quickly on planning to jump-start his own splinter group.......website included. The R&R Group waited on Rosalie and BOD to relent and meet with their demands. Didn't happen. Then, the R&R Group sent out a March 2017 letter with 56 signatures (**and dozens more). In May 2017 was the R&R Group's Facebook Q&A............followed by more mark/avoid from hq. Again, to reiterate................Rico got the jump on all of this. And now.......when you click on "speakers" button on the Oikeos.org/teachings........Fort, Giles, Horney, Knupp, Moynihan, Ryan and Weller are listed as contributing speakers/teachers to Rico's Oikeos organization. Game. Set. Match. AND...............now, the teachings on giving money are coming out. AND................so it begins. ANOTHER BABY CULT IS BORN.

Bump -- 7-year old thread ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Is the Victor Paul Wierwille Memorial Museum more evident now? In the past number of years, the final stages of transitioning to a "memorial museum" have been met: The 68 Million has accrued, namely harvested and hoarded, to preserve the image and illusion of victor paul wierwille. Another 230 corps have abandoned the mother-cult. Some going into business for themselves.....Phasing in a splinter According to recent sources (March 2017 R&R letter).......programs, classes and ethical decency are gasping for air. Rosalie, Donna and Marcia G can gaggle and giggle together......during their shopping sprees and fine dining. In March 2019, Rosalie will celebrate her 80th birthday and years of retirement at this preservation society. Outreach is no longer needed.......the money will accrue in banks/investments to keep the illusion moving. Notice: Very little has changed since 1985 when wierwille left the building. The auditorium is an echo chamber. Leadership of the past has been erased.......of Summervilles, Duncans, Reahards, Smiths, Standages, etc. No displayed pictures to honor the thousands of lives who built the way international. This VPW Memorial Museum is a testament to isolation, illusion, immersion and indoctrination. Your contributions are welcomed. .

When I went thru my deprogramming experience............my brother and mother told me that it raised alarm when they couldn't reach me at Emporia or Camp Gunnison without going thru a controller, a switchboard person. I supposed this really did seem strange to them.......especially when all that "cult awareness" was hurled around 1977-1983. Wasn't it in November 1978......that the Jim Jones cult and the mass suicide hit national news?

When at Scientology "Gold Base".........the only way to make a phone call to ANYONE OUTSIDE THE CULT was to go thru in-house phone dispatch. Scientology controlled the accessibility to contact/converse with "the outside world." The Scientology Cult held the levers of power over their followers in this regard... The Scientology Cult could deny you access to speak with your parents or loved ones. ........they could use this power as a means to manipulate and indoctrinate you for lifetime servitude. ........they could use this leverage to control your behavior/dissent. ........they could use this to monitor your contacts/conversations. ........they could deny you phone calls if/when you dissented. ........they could deny that you were not even there. While at Twi's HQ...........we needed to go thru main switchboard to get an outside line. While in-residence in Emporia.......we needed to go thru main switchboard to talk to our parents, friends and loved ones. Surveillance tactics ?? Control ?? Yep.

To clarify further......... When advanced classes were run in the auditorium......bathroom breaks were like 15-minutes long. People quickly stood in line at the bathrooms, while others went outside for a smoke break (early 90s). The ONLY way to accommodate this situation was to allow one of the men's bathrooms upstairs and the one downstairs to be utilized by the women. In other words, it took longer for the women to utilize the facilities than the men........ Welcome to the Advanced Class........where attention to spiritual details is everything. LOL .

I was not privy to this moniker...... All I know is that A.J. told me the architects were tasked with the finance/legal storage problem and they were ready to order that track-system filing/storage set-up in the west end of the warehouse. The number of reasons why I was not willing to allow it: The multi-purpose use of the west end of warehouse: Staging area for loading/unloading from various departments before storage into warehouse During roa, refrigerated and freezer semis were parked at west end of warehouse....and this area was vital Forklift training.........this open space was utilized to help train others on various forklifts In the early 80s, twi had major limb homes.......and lots of furniture, at times, was staged in west end With Sunday teachings in OSC.......this west end was utilized for children's activities during meeting Safety......the less foot-traffic wandering in and out of the warehouse, the better. Time management......with mezzanine, it allowed staffers to step onto mezzanine from 2nd Floor Win/win all around.......A.J. and receiving dept got a legitimate roof over their offices (warmer in winter)

Last night on the latest Scientology series by Leah Remini...........it highlighted Scientology's ruthless tactics to takeover Clearwater, FL and claim it as *their Scientology City* for the world to see. City officials were fighting this in 1983.....when, city officials claim, Scientology was taking in ONE MILLION dollars a day worldwide. The Scientology believers, dressed in uniform, walk around downtown Clearwater......in what appears as a "ghost town." [ ..... When I think of twi's Camp Gunnison in the dead of winter........I can't help but think of that 1980 movie The Shining. ]

I know...........in fact, who needs common sense when you have divine revelation? /s All you need is architects like Randy Z. sitting in an office drawing up sh!t-for-brain plans and calling it good. ~~~~~~~~~ Another Warehousing incident......... More storage space was needed for accounting/finances/legal departments......and the architects were in the planning/design stages of using the west end of the warehouse. They'd been studying those sliding-track systems to maximize storage and facilitate access to file cabinets behind file cabinets. The concrete floor needed to be torn up and steel tracks set in place to slide large cabinets back and forth. Anyways, I got wind of it and thought it was nuts! I went to my area coordinator, A.J....and told him how this would compromise that whole section from further use during special events. Many people just had no idea how vastly diversified that warehouse was used throughout the year. A multi-purpose warehouse....for a multi-purpose cult. The foot-traffic alone, with finance staff carrying R-Kive boxes back and forth, would have been a major safety hazard and time-management factor on multiple levels. Sheesh. So, I quickly studied up on mezzanine usage and sent my proposal to A.J. B3rreta and Howard Allen. The mezzanine would be installed over the shipping/receiving area and other offices....the high ceilings were empty space anyways. Next day, Howard sent back a short note to me thru interoffice mail......"Best idea I've seen on this." Why don't the big guys get off their high horses and ask?

Oh Yeah........that Scientology series is riveting. From all that I've seen, I would say that Scientology is at the APEX of cult dynasties: The true. sold-out followers of Scientology believe that L. Ron Hubbard is, someday, coming back. Six homes have been built and are designated for Hubbard when he returns. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been fleeced from their followers thru the years. Many Scientology parents GAVE their children (ages 7-12) over to Hubbard's Sea Org for training/indoctrination. Classes, programs, peer pressure, scaling ladder to "Go Clear".......exits and escapes!! Sound familiar? Damage control measures were set in place for those who "blow"..........leave/escape. [Cop-outs......vpw] Character assassinations, surveillance, harassment, and pressure all to "disconnect" from those who exit. [Mark/Avoid] Scientology takes surveillance/harassment measures to extremes.......showing the extreme measures of this cult! Twi is a piker......compared to Scientology. With hundreds of millions and a cult empire at stake.....Scientology is ruthless. Vast amounts of wealth [several billions?]........Scientology has the resources to exploit and destroy at will.

The Auditorium, also...........has a blundering backstory. Although there was input from wierwille, martindale, geer, rivenbark, winegarner, coulter, architects, production personnel, etc.............the auditorium has major flaws that should have been foreseen by competent people. The front entrance of the auditorium should face west.....not north. It makes no sense for the front entrance of the auditorium to face north towards Wierwille Rd with a tree line blocking some of the view. Once in the parking lot, the vast majority of people will see the building from the west side vantage point. Wierwille claimed to build his whole ministry on *teaching*.......so, why is the auditorium primarily focused on production? The whole construct of the auditorium is impersonal.....unless you're coming to see a grand production and it needs elevation for all to see. The orchestra pit was a must when twi had an orchestra. Yeah, that lasted a long time......LOL Since a cult moves in groups, classes, 2-hour teachings.......everyone needs to use the bathroom at the SAME time. The auditorium should have been built with 3X as many bathroom facilities to accommodate the time constraints. Running advanced classes in the auditorium was a joke. The auditorium lobby was cold and echo-y. If the entrance faced west, then the lobby would have had the western sun warming it. The lobby windows were a major blunder. Facing north, these windows didn't provide the insulation needed.....and they leaked when it rained heavily. This auditorium seats 1,440........and it rarely has the bottom level seats full. All those brass railing add for lots of polishing that manufactured process. A Series of Blunders

Within days of wierwille's death......the Manufactured Process of the cult moved into this production phase of "Athletes of the Spirit." So, while martindale was frolicking across the stage in tights........there was this emotional/psychological upheaval when wierwille exited stage left feet-first. The Man in Tights never had a clue of the coming exodus.

In those Night Owls Meetings in 1980/1981.......wierwille invariably focused on the wierwille heritage, homestead, spiritual impetus and future momentum. He also noted that twi needed more property and that a couple of the old farmers might soon be selling land that was west of the Way Woods and to the north of the OSC Building. Wierwille kept a vigilant eye (pun intended) on the developments........and when the neighboring farmer died, wierwille swiftly moved in to buy this property. The purchasing of this land made way for the building of a staff dormitory "Founders Hall" and the defunct Auditorium. After all the hoopla of the "president-elect year" (propping up martindale's stature and image), Living Victoriously in July 1982 and then, the installation of the 2nd President of Twi ...............much of the Manufactured Process at hq turned its eyes on the financing and building the Auditorium. The OSC dining room was the center of massive labor output each week as it transitioned between food services AND Wednesday night corps meetings AND Sunday teaching services AND monthly Staff Meetings. All of this OSC dining room activity kept the in-residence corps and the multi-services department busy bees. Expectations and excitement were building as wierwille and martindale hyped the growing stages of a future auditorium........prompting donors to give $1,000 and have their names added to a displayed Donor's List, wierwille and geer walking the auditorium grounds and staking out its perimeter, architects building a model and displaying it in the OSC Lobby, the groundbreaking in March 1984, and finally the Grand Opening on March 17, 1985 with hundreds of twi's clergy (in robes) making a grand entrance, and seated front-and-center, in direction and honor of one Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille. Two months and three days later........wierwille was dead. The spiritualizing of his time of death began.....

By 1981,1982, twi was in transition from the BRC to the Auditorium.........and was utilizing the OSC lunch room for Corps Night teachings and Sunday Teaching Services. To best accommodate wierwille and other teachers/emcees, a makeshift backroom was constructed that extended out into the warehouse. Like all things (it seemed) at headquarters, this slapped-up project was "temporary".........and remained a permanent feature for years to come. It was still there in 1995 when I last attended the roa. And, I would imagine that it's STILL there......an ugly, protruding wart out into the warehouse. I can't help but laugh........with some $68 Million in assets, you'd think that twi has a better handle on things, no? And, that Auditorium that they built.......with all its bells and whistles of a production rehearsal room, orchestra pit, welcoming lobby and lavish balcony... What productions?.........except, the Swinging Ladies of The Way. LOL What orchestra?.........it scattered to the winds within a year of the Auditorium opening. What welcoming lobby?.........the cold, icy glares of armed security watching at the doors. What lavish balcony?..........the one that no one sits in, because they can't fill the bottom rows. Heck, they can't even get enough sign-ups of advanced class students each year to justify running that class. What a pathetic waste of human and financial resources. I suppose they'll teach ........read a sermon on "Joyful Giving" this coming Sunday as the staffers sleepwalk thru another service.

Twi's Headquarters: Manufactured Process To someone unfamiliar with twi (or cults), the concentrated glut of activity at a "central complex" is strikingly strange. Hundreds upon hundreds of staffers working at a *headquarters compound* in offices, trailer units, service outbuildings, barns, grounds maintenance and an auditorium in the woods was deemed the "spiritual epicenter of the world" by its founder victor paul wierwille. How did twi evolve into this? wierwille resigned (fired?) from van wert church in august 1957. rented house in van wert and still sent "greetings from International Hdqs" promoted and planned [1959] to move operation to the wierwille family homestead 147 acres and a remodeled farm house in 1961 in rural, western Ohio From 1959-1967 wierwille tweaked, taught and targeted church people into classes In late 1967, the pfal class was filmed [plagiarized from B. G. Leonard's class] Summer camps, classes and programs were the baby steps of this Manufactured Process Wierwille's International Headquarters (cough, cough) was operating on a shoe string and a prayer from 1961-1971. And, it wasn't until wierwille's wholesale power-grab of Heefner's and Doop's movements [Way East / Way West] and demanded that ALL MONIES FLOW TO WIERWILLE'S HDQTS that this inflection point was reached. The dynamic youth ministers, Heefner and Doop, were blindsided by vpw's thugocracy and narcissistic bullying. Suffice it to say that books could, and have, been written to explore and explain the deceptive and destructive ways upon which twi was built and evolved. The peak years of their Manufactured Process were 1981-1985. Shortly after Sound Out '84 in Nashville, TN, my wife and I left hq and went to Canada on a field assignment and it was exhilarating to get away from this glut of in-house subservience. At those peak years, I was the Warehousing Department Coordinator...... and carried the responsibility of overseeing the organization, work flow, safety, and evolving potential of the warehouse facility. This cult warehouse transitioned from a forklift workplace to a fitness-for-living workout facility in the evening to a daycare facility during Sunday teaching services. The reason I equate all of this to "manufactured process" is/was because it NEVER made any sense in my mind that 550 staffers should be centralized at this "headquarters" when our stated objective was to **move the word over the world.** If I remember correctly, there were some 190-210 clergy at hq in every department imaginable.......1) way builders, 2) food services, 3) grounds, 4) finance, 5) divine design, 6) shipping/receiving, 7) way publishing, 8) photography, 9) way productions, 10) bless patrol, etc. One of the clergyman, Ken Str0ther (5th corps) lived alone in the way woods in a make-shift A-Tel. Why? How could this possibly be God's will (cough, cough)? Did wierwille sanction this? Why was this acceptable or allowed? The double standards and favoritism at hq wreaked thru its sanctimonious pontifications. How many churches have armed security guards and trained guard dogs on duty 24/7 for protection? How many church pastors have congregates who are assigned to housecleaning and nanny positions? Does the publication of tapes, magazines and literature emanating from a central hub "move the word" or is this the fabricating illusions of a narcissist? [Note: For years (and maybe still), Twi's magazine featured artwork of composition-people sitting under a tree reading the bible or other settings. Not pictures of real people. Fabricated people of different racial backgrounds. The same generic technique that Scientology uses.] If all of this is "manufactured process".........would it be fair to say that it's also MANUFACTURED SPIRITUALITY? Yep. Cults thrive on isolation, illusion, immersion and indoctrination. People are seduced when the isolation from others builds the illusion of believability and the immersion conceptualizes the activity warranting the indoctrination that welds the process complete. Cult leaders NEED groups in tandem with a manufactured process.

"Get people involved BEFORE they scatter to the winds." As has happened many times before......in two or three years, people will fade away. It happened in the Geer franchise groups It happened in CES/STFI It happened in CFF It's a brave, new world out there. Check it out.

Marking territory............oh, yeah! Looks like Rico M. took immediate action to mark his territory and get his Oikeos Christian Network up and running.......whereas, the R&R guys are slogging along. Rico put together a series of teachings and calendar events in various cities.....i.e. marking his territory/influence to reinforce and recruit. Format teachings and website to highlight "ministry activity." Fill in calendar of events. Get people involved BEFORE they scatter to the winds. People are social animals. They WANT to stay connected to "friends" and past associations. This latest group experienced the Rosalie era.......and are in agreement of her oppressive tactics. As of yet, they haven't connected the dots back to wierwille.......that the whole burrito was filled with diseased meat. UNLESS the R&R leaders [ Horneys, Moynihans, Forts, etc] get to cranking REAL FAST.......their "territory" is going to have Rico's markings all over it. Facebook teachings are NOT going to cut it!!! Rico has already outmaneuvered them.......they are coming to *his events* and strengthening *his brand.*

Thanks chockfull.....for weasel video. FACT: Weasels do not make themselves any kind of permanent burrow, they usually use the tunnel or burrow of one of the animals they have eaten. ............the wierwille-tunnel works quite well for these weasels and their splinter group.

The Weasel Way In...............starting a new wierwille-splinter. Keep adulation for wierwille Teach same cult doctrine Establish pyramid system Recruit, recruit, recruit

The Weasel Way Out.........acting all hotsy-totsy on the way out with the intentions of starting up a splinter group. Clearly, there was plenty of dissent gurgling under the surface in 2014, 2015 and 2016. Reports have come forward that some leaders in twi were marshalling forces as early as 2012 planning the ouster/overthrow of Rosalie and Donna. None of this abruptly surfaced in August 2016, nor did Rico Magnelli confront Rosalie on the spur of a moment.....and was given the bum's rush. From what we know (and speculate).......Rico, Rupp and others were waiting in the wings waiting to see who would replace Rosalie. Fifteen (15) years was a generous amount of time to see if Rosalie truly was "anointed of God" (cough, cough).......but as dismal failure after failure piled up, the disgruntles came to the fore. Over 150 corps had exited (2006-2016).....no need for annual advanced class.....corps numbers were anemic....classes were abysmal......very few stuck around. Uncle Rico..........Sure, Rico stuck around until Rosalie picked Jean-Yves. Then, he couldn't stand it any longer. The Weasel Way Out. No self-introspection. No time to stop and see that twi was/is a cult! Full-throttle into starting up another splinter group (mini-cult). Oikeos -- apologia, part v, obedience to the household ---- meet the new boss, same as the old boss The R&R leadership are in the same category. Jump ship. Want to commandeer another cult ship with "slave" to do the grunt work. Horneys, Moynihans, Forts, and others.......want to start up a splinter group. They, too, stuck around UNTIL Rosalie picked Jean-Yves as president and then, she slipped into the vice-president slot. Yeah, that sucks.......and it validated that she had no intentions of relinquishing her power on twi. Did these guys go to CFF, STFI, or others for counsel and/or support? Nope. The Weasel Way Out.......immediately start up a splinter group with exclusive rules and passwords LOL The Weasel Way Out...........The Weasel Way In What's the difference?

"If its "Oikeos plus R&R"........then why not "Oikeos plus CFF?" Surely, this isn't about carving out territory for marketing to the latest batch of institutionalized cult followers? Nor could this be about manufacturing spiritual needs, could it?

Chockfull.........precisely right. Even the Oikeos Christian Network website, in defining its origin, is ambiguous. What separates "the household of God" from "the Christian family of God?" It is not stated on his website. If its "Oikeos plus R&R"........then why not "Oikeos plus CFF?" Why not include OTHER splinter groups like Panarello, Schoenheit, Lynn, and others? And, if it's exclusive.......then it's NOT inclusive to Christian work. So, why name it Oikeos Christian Network?

Apologia, Part V: Obedience to the Household of Faith (R. Magnelli) Closing out his "class" with Obedience to the Household of Faith...........SEE, back to following orders!! Him leader........you grunt. SSDD

Adding the Knupps, Longleys and other corps grads........lots have found the exit doors in the past two years. Maybe, that's another reason why Bill and Marcia Greene were called in to headquarters.......to repair the storm-torn sails. Man, it must really suck to sit in that "prevailing auditorium at hq"..........and see deadness all around.