skyrider

Yeah.......what this "limb coordinator" fails to realize is many mark/avoid people came face-to-face with a situation or a twi leader and, when confronted with this, TOOK A STAND AGAINST LCM AND TWI'S EVIL AND WALKED AWAY. IMO.....this "limb coordinator" is a maverick and is off the beaten path of twi's policies. Because.....imo, the bod know that MANY OF US took a righteous stand and were black-listed. And, they know....if we were invited back into the fold, that it would only be a matter of time before another confrontation escalated and it could get ugly. Twi's bod wants its followers to keep their distance from many of us who lcm black-listed. They know it. We know it. This "limb coordinator" is simply a stooge. That's the way I see it.

Oldies, if you still refer to their home fellowships as "twig".......you're NOT welcome. They hold to the present truth and shun "old wineskins." You will be red-flagged and interrogated. :D-->

From an innie friend, I recently heard that the limb coordinator in my state is trying to welcome back those who lcm & company marked/avoided. His message: Come on back........it's better now, really. Twi is trying to make m&a'd into lemonade. They adamantly refuse to acknowledge their trespasses and sins, their evil legalism, their fiscal unaccountability, their support of sexual predators, their dark and plagarious past, vpw's cancer (a devil spirit?) and an avalanche of mismanagement and micromanagement. Are these people nucking futs! :D--> I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER go back. And, I mean NEVER. NEVER ever. skyrider

exie, Let us know your findings. :)--> Goey posted this: Another cup of coffee while we wait? ;)--> skyrider

A la prochaine, Yeah......an evil outfit and the "smart ones" didn't come back in-residence after Christmas break. ;)--> But had we not traveled through "the valley of death"........we wouldn't begin to appreciate "the mountaintops of life" and that our God is with us. We made it, A la. We may have crawled a little, but we made it OUT! (((((((A la))))))) skyrider

Mr. Hammeroni, By the standards of worldly excess or greed, twi is a piker. But in terms of modicum comfort and groupie adulation, twi's bod are riding this buggy to the end of the path. IMO...they are attempting to be "legends in their own minds." It must be self-hypnotic to repeat to themselves that their organization is making known the word like it hasn't been known since the first century. They live in a parallel existence while the real world speeds along. Besides, with some $24 million in assets and $25 million in bonds/stocks/investments/cash (whatever ???).....it ain't all that bad for some retiring country folk. And, with many staff trained to live in dorm-style shelter, the another some 40 fast-approaching emerituses.....it will suffice. Where else would a 64 year old rivenbark go? And donna....she gets pseudo-pity from some who haven't grasped the whole picture. Plus, with the possibility of two college students still going thru the works....she's apt to stay put and stay quiet. And, one more thing..........when the bod and emeritus bod travel, its a petty cash account expense! When the said party eat and lodge, it's paid for. When these guys travel to the shopping malls and down to Florida for winter jaunts, IT CAN EASILY BE COVERED IN EXPENSE ACCOUNTS AND THUS, PAID BY THE ABUNDANT SHARING OF TWI FOLLOWERS. Nothing like having unaccountability in a non-profit organization. :D--> skyrider

Some good points made by ex10 & my3cents. Thanks. Also, I think there is something to be said about the offspring who see a new world of information and communication. It's tight to have a cell phone as a 14 year-old. It's fun to be online, and on the technological curve, with friends. As you noted, the world has changed dramatically in the past 15 years and twi is still dragging the chains of religious (cult) conformity. Individualism is IN.....groupthink is OUT. All one has to do is look at life through the eyes of a teenager! Man, twi is dead in spiritual perception and any awareness. --> -->

Belle, Yeah.....or another analogy, we looked forward to sunny beach fellowship and learning and had NO IDEA of the tsunami waves of evil that were raging towards our naive world. If only there had been a warning system in place! NOW THERE IS.......it's the internet. :)-->

My objective for going corps: to serve God and help others Twi's objective for training: follow the master trainer, till death Four years of twi leadership critiquing, reporting, reproving, screening, screaming, manipulating, etc.....extreme spiritual abuse used to "train" way corps. Physically, mentally, psychologically, socially, spiritually......challenges and barriers were set in place. Over-the-top assignments to intimidate and overpower.....like, get aerobic points and be at 5:20 am meeting (3X a week) with some corps nights past midnight, learn the names of all corps on campus (350+ and elder corps) within the first two weeks, memorize the first chapter of Ephesians, and practice all the basic keys in the Dale Carnegie How to win friends and influence people book and retemorize your NEW pack of corps retemories. These challenges will start you in the right direction to be "spiritual." Isolated from society, family, friends, tv and newspapers.......while in-residence, heavy-handed control over daily activity and communication was monitored. For the most part, your sponsors should be fellow believers who you've served and will faithfully write (and teach) in your monthly correspondence. The list of infringements and abuses were in direct relationship to the corps leadership at the time and wierwille's campus visits. The motor coach king took full advantage with sexual abuse over young women and full-scale intimidation over young men. What was vpw thinking? Talk about.....The NON-subtle power of spiritual abuse!!! Sheeeesh. It's so CLEAR now. skyrider

exie, good idea, count me in. just tell me where to send the $5. :)-->

Mr. Hammeroni, Yes, it would "free up" a legally-fronted marriage, but imo there would be lots of other considerations. For one....I would think that donna would want to distance herself from craig's sexual "allegations" and failure as twi's 2nd president. And, a big factor (I would think).....would be the three children. Obviously, the attempts to shelter these kids from rumor control and the internet may have had some impact. But honestly, I would think at least the older two kids (young adults now) are VERY AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. More likely.....why NOT get divorced?

Radar, I agree......and don't care either. The martindale marriage was side-tracked from biblical truth long ago. Of course, they fronted "this marriage" in public, but the two lived in separate, selfish-served worlds. All of this separate stuff....without even approaching the topics of sexual assaults, rapes, lesbo antics, and the ongoing list of atrocities. It matters NOT one whit.......whether they've ended their "marriage" or still choose to live in hyperbole-hypocrisy but it is interesting to see how the legal/financial side of life motivates them. No wonder SO MANY in the past couple decades have DIVORCED ourselves from any twi affiliation -- past and present. skyrider

ex10, No....you are not alone. I had strong suspicions of some jaded agendas while in, but knew NOTHING of the magnitude of corruption from the top brass. Although I am sickened by the likes of vpw, lcm, howard, rosie, donna, linder and others....on the flip side, IT BRINGS MANY SCRIPTURES TO LIFE IN MODERN TIMES. Corrupt leaders deceive people, oppress people, steal from the widows, voice "blessings" and evil from the same mouth, etc. etc. Of course, I go through those times when I whish i'd never heard of twi. And, of course wonder......what life would have been like if I'd have refused any involvement with twi? True justice is coming....and God, in his righteousness, is sickened by twi's injustices too. skyrider

Pat, If I understand what you're saying.....an Ohio resident can travel to another county seat and file for divorce? If that's the case.......it wouldn't surprise me at all if craig (or donna) traveled to some DISTANT COUNTY, like say near Athens, Ohio to keep this divorce announcement secret. Somewhere far away.....where there were no fellowships, no innies to read the public notice. Heck, look at the lengths twi went to in shipping craig off to toledo? Secret location, secret job, secret severance pay, secret EVERYTHING! :D--> :D--> skyrider

papajohn, Don't you think that this might be a broad-stroke generalization? According to "a great woman".......I suppose she would have wanted Jesus to NOT warn of the Pharisee and Sadducees hypocrisy? Merry Christmas to you too. :D-->

'twas the night before christmas, and all through the house(hold) none of the innies were stirrin' until the news of this marriage fold. yes, tis true, so unbelievably true... and deceptively, they've been lied to by twi's directors no less oh my god.........what a mess! so they scampered and skeedaddled and stopped sending their money, to an outfit laced with deception and "biblical" baloney. and to those who ridicule the adventures of st. nick and reindeer, its not that far-fetched to believe than a cult full of fear. so let's hoist our glasses in a celebration of cheer, and welcome lots more ex-twiers in the upcoming year!

wonder if "damage control" will be working overtime this christmas? or, if rico has a squelch-information plan in place? after all, he's the one that's supposed to keep twi followers informed "from soup to nuts." :D--> :D-->

This thread is my Christmas gift.......to all you innies who have extra time during these holidays to sit in front of your computers. Merry Christmas........and a Happy New Ex-twi Year!

exie......you're too funny. :D--> your posts get me laughing. thanks.

This newfound information deserves its own thread. It was getting buried and derailed in another thread. So........NOW we know. :P--> Perhaps soon, someone can get this documented from the county records......just so we aren't accused of starting rumors. :D--> skyrider

Thanks everyone.....for your posts. Your right, Chas.......no logical answer to these questions. Appreciate it though. ;)--> skyrider

Yeah.....it could be something as simple as adhering to a bible verse like oldiesman said. Or.......it could be some arrangement, some kinda deception that won't upset twi's applecart. After all, who knows what kind of fallout would have occurred had Craig and Donna gotten divorced in 2000? Even to this day.....innies are NOT allowed to ask questions. The twi-servants are NOT allowed in the private lives of the leadership. Period. skyrider

On one of the recent threads, the question was asked....What does Rosie ACTUALLY do? But as twi diminishes and slows to a snail's pace in outreach & programs & activities....What do the staffers do at their jobs??? What does the printing department print? What does the receiving dept receive? What does the purchasing dept purchase? What does the bookstore dept stock & sell? What does the a/v dept duplicate.....besides sts tapes? What does way builders build? How can twi possibly employ 260+ staffers and fill these job responsibilities with bureaucratic busywork? --> And finally......how can field innies even begin to think that their abs money is "establishing the prevailing word in their day and time?" Has common sense totally left the twi premises? :D--> skyrider

Here at Greasespot Cafe, on this About The Way forum, there are now 75 pages of posts! It must be almost mind-boggling for an innie (or newbie) who comes to this site. :)--> Along with all the other avenues of information on this website alone, just the sheer volume speaks of twi corruption and manipulation. Even John Lindxr frequently comes here! Isn't there a verse in Galatians that talks about "one who comes to spy out their liberty in Christ".....wanting to bring them back into bondage? 75 pages of liberating, thought-provoking, tell-it-like-it-was (is), in your face, posts that EXPOSE TWI AS THE MIND-CONTROLLING OUTFIT THAT IT IS. Thanks Paw.....for keeping the doors open. skyrider

:D--> :D--> :D--> :D--> :D--> And......along with uncle harry day, let's not forget dorothy ediquette day. :)--> Or, get-their-money howard day. And....celebrate with george jessio wine. -->