skyrider

wondering, Twi needs more people to fill all those empty beds at camp gunnison. In the past few years, the corps grad levels have been pathetic. I would speculate that the gunnison corps guy will be running the joint. Twi doesn't move people around too much anymore. And......this "call em back into training" thing has a history. I think the 4th corps were called back in.....to buff off the rough edges, ya know. Some corps live in guilt and condemnation for years.....and this is one avenue twi propounds for corps grads. Same old reasons, different day. --> skyrider

In twi's twisted legalism........a strict obedience to going two-by-two (at least) is DEMANDED. Yet, if death occurs.............a twi follower dies ALONE. ALWAYS......."the ministry be blameless" card is played. Sheeeeeeesh.

...And.....Mike's gonna make this known....like it hasn't been known....since vpw himself got this dictation from snow-pump revelation.

12 moves....too many years

In pfal.....vpw describes "how people get off the word by focusing on things they don't like".....someone doesn't like my tie, so I (vp) take my tie off.... ....someone doesn't like my shirt, so I take my shirt off......someone doesn't like my suit, pretty soon we're going to get down to the bare facts peee-pul. ....it's the word, the word.....I've staked my whole like on this word (blah, blah, blah)....it's NOT what people say ABOUT you. Indoctrination....indoctrination....thru successive classes, leaders, situations..... it was "sin" to bring accountability into present situations.

ex,.......yeah, ricardo had a career to go back to......a pilot??....or something in the aviation field in argentina. on the other hand, johnny had nothing.......no where else to go.

Galen, others probably know better than I do......but here's the simple version: Corps Director --- Oversees the corps program, establishes corps policies and procedures and gives directives to the corps coordinators. The corps director was responsible to report back to board of trustees and/or trustee responsible for said campus. Corps Coordinator-- Oversees executive committee of corps campus, receives directives from corps director, coordinates work with assistant corps coordinator and oversees all corps activities. Remember......at one time, there were five corps campus locations....hq, rome city, emporia, gunnison and tinnie, new mexico. With your remark about Stxve Strxzpxc......he was the gunnison corps coordinator for several years, (1985-1991 ??).........martindale allegedly fired him for "not standing strongly with twi" or something along those lines. Gunnison staff, at the time, saw a much different version. With the Hornxys at gunnison at that time, some staffers were not blind.

Hope, like so many other things in twi.....the landscape kept changing around us. For years, we went thru the "lock box revelation" period... Then, there was the "genuine suspicion" era..... Then, there was the "biblical confrontation one on one" ..... If that didn't work......"in the mouth of two or three witnesses" go for it.... If that didn't work......"bring the whole dang fellowship"..... And lastly, it went back to.......lcm will tell you what to do!.... What the "revelation" is today...........I have NO IDEA.

Another key....you might want to try, Mike........"search the scriptures whether those things are so"...........think outside the pfal box. Just trying to help :)-->

Yes,...twi's bod refused. When the New Knoxville high school officials had these plans in the works....to visit Washington DC and see this museum....lcm & co. went toe-to-toe on this issue. From what he told us on corps meeting (mid-90s -- ??)....the NK school officials "revised" the junior/senior trip. This was an ongoing "debate" for a few years. Any change?

Does twi still refuse to allow their high school kids the opportunity of going to Washington DC and visiting The Holocaust Museum? Anyone know what twi's policy is today?

Some things just need repeating!....................thanks Geo.

Okay........following Hammer's point, I pulled out Bullinger's work How to enjoy the Bible. p. 109......."This is the key to the understanding of those many passages where the words all and every and world are used in the New Testament. All must mean one of two things: either 'all without exception' or 'all without distinction;' and it is in this latter sense it is constantly used in contrast with the one nation of Israel." (bottom of page) Now.....this forum is NOT the doctrinal forum.....and I have no intention of quibbling over the meaning and nuances and all that. BUT.....WHAT I DO FIND INTERESTING TO NOTE.....is that in twi, we were always taught that vpw came up with "his research" INDEPENDENT of Bullinger. God showed vpw these things.....and he taught them (in pfal 68). Later.....it seems that even vpw was confused on this issue and revamped what he "borrowed" from Bullinger. Granted, to vpw's credit....he changed his teaching on this "biblical key to research." Yet....to this day, the foundational keys in pfal are still confusing for many.

Yana.....good points! The suggestion of a "general".....is basicly an order. A "private" doesn't ask how high to jump.....HE JUMPS! Yeah......"reckless unaccountability" was vp's mode of operation. -->

Oldies......never heard of that one. It clarifies more.... And yeah....long gone are the days when men like Mxlford Bxxxn ran twi's bookstore. So many good folks helped to build twi.....and later, saw the deepening agendas formulating and left....never to return.

Sunesis.......more and more pieces of the puzzle. Amazing...

When someone like vpw endorses, propounds, initiates, advocates, and indoctrinates others towards conspiracy theories and anti-government seeding......its very challenging to sidestep this alignment. Besides, twi's in-house BOOKSTORE was/is promoting it with sales.

This "research key from pfal" keeps surfacing on GS. As I remember it.....vpw taught pfal students this to distinguish the word all. Further, it clarified two groups: 1) All without exception 2) All with distinction Yet, a regular poster here at GS keeps referring to it as "all without exception, all without distinction." Maybe he's right....but that's NOT what I remember being taught. And......if it's unclear from its premise......how much more confusion resides in this one "research key" of pfal???? Anyone got a pfal book to look this up? skyrider

VP & CG........not to be confused with lcm's VP and Me transcripts. The collaborating interests between vpw and cgeer could easily document an extensive study that drastically altered twi.....twi's trustees.....twi's corporate policies.....twi's corps. And, further....with copyright privileges in hand and "franchising pfal to geerite followers" the chasm widens. Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories.......vpw and cgeer had similar and growing interests in the books and material they read. How deep these interests ran....who knows? I do have one incident that has puzzled me all these years. I was sitting with vpw in his motorcoach discussing some things. Cgeer came into the coach briskly, looked at vp and said, "He's here......on grounds." Abruptly, they left without another word. Cgeer drove and they left hq grounds. Puzzled, I left the coach and never said a word to others.....thinking that, if spoken, it might endanger vpw or someone else. For years, the vpw/cgeer relationship was far greater than many ever knew. Services rendered by cgeer.........coach driver, valet, bodyguard, conspiracy theorist, book enthusiast, dog trainer, corps coordinator, vpw mannerisms, etc. Some could easily argue that it was a premeditated form of identity theft.

Yeah,...thanks Sunesis. You sure jarred the brain cells! Those years....1976-1979 came flying back.....Wake Up America!....Malpacks....The New World Order.....Illuminati......33 Degree Masons....Ted Patrick and Cults.....Jim Jones.....Government Cover-ups......Seed Men Even that 'music book'.......subliminal stuff in all rock music. Everything,..........us verses 'the world.'

Galen, hopefully others will come to our rescue on this issue.....because, for the life of me, I don't recall a 1976 pfal edition. From what I remember: 1968.....pfal fnd class 1975.....adv class 1977.....PFAL '77 (duh?) 1979.....AC '79 (another no-brainer) Of course, the advanced study classes were videotaped too....RM, Keys to Research, CFS, etc.

alfakat.....that was my guess too... ....and then I read your post.... ....can we split the door prize?

For one thing.....cgeer was the one DIRECTING twi's trustees "how to fix the problems." Cgeer was 7th corps and Rxcardo was 7th corps as well. I could be wrong on this.....but I seem to remember something where cgeer said that Rxcardo had great leadership qualities (country coord. of Argentina), strong integrity and a pure heart. For 2 1/2 years......cgeer was the man "in charge" which turned twi on its ear. :D-->

Yeah, George......you've got a point there. In some ways, it depends on how one looks at "exodus"........ August 1986.......Gxxr read POP at corps week -- soon many started exiting 1987..............JAL, RD and others spoke out -- "the exodus" had begun 1988..............More clergy/leaders left ----- "the twi exodus" was in full swing March 8, 1989.....LCM public stands against CGeer -- the infamous directive ensues Most had ALREADY made their decision to leave throughout this 1988 year....and were just getting their ducks in a row. :D--> But yeah......I guess 1989 might be the best year to clarify it. sky

Thanks, Belle. Another point, if I may.......through the years, I started looking at this book The Thirteenth Tribe as a piece of research with "shock value." VP wanted to interject new "research" into the learning adventure of the advanced class.....much in the same way that vp used Bullinger's work on the four crucified with Jesus. Sorta like......"pulling the rug out from underneath one's previous foundation" SEE, you young whipper-snappers have ALOT TO LEARN!!.......as vpw sat at the teacher's desk in front of the advanced class students. --> -->