skyrider

Yeah....what's up with that? Last I heard.........that ex-trunk guy, L. Pxnerxxlo didn't want "his followers" coming here to GS. Hmmmmmmm......

Recruited for twi's purposes, I reveled in their classes, and programs and the recognition that I was an intricate part to "word over the world." Step by step, the progressive nature of pfal seemed so logical. The web of deception was woven with scripture, sincerity, subtlety, and scam-mobility. I was recruited. :(--> I was a good recruit. Like so many others, I was searching for meaning and a purpose in life. Geeeze....it never dawned on me that a dark, corporate entity was scamming me and capitalizing on my tithes and witnessing efforts to engulf others in destruction. Oh, how naive I once was! Just like in a multi-level marketing scam, where the office guys tell you to go bring your family, and friends, and co-workers to the mlm meetings......the videos will convince them. The classroom conformity, the "logical progression" of the presentation, the testimony of satisfaction of others...... all lend towards swaying the new recruit. Then, the smiling faces preclude the obvious pressure to sign on the line. The scam worked!!! And, whatever it's called......a "consumer" wants to justify his purchase, his judgement. It's like telling yourself over and over again......yeah, this is good. Self-hypnotic, almost. FINALLY...........when my eyes were opened to the leaders, the scam, the hypocrisy......I spoke up! Twi had NO intention of hearing me out. Twi had NO intention of confronting lcm. Twi had NO intention of changing it abusive policies. I faced them, head-on......and I QUIT. I rejected them. :P--> ....................and the feeling of REJECTING THEM -- priceless skyrider

Yeah........a spiritual multi-level marketing scam. You sit thru the classes and mandatory weekly meetings.....and then, you're compelled to go out and sign up others. The more you get underneath you, the higher YOUR ranking. My, oh my.......it's so obvious NOW! :D--> :D--> :D-->

Regarding wierwille......wherever vp started, this whole thing went full circle to the point where HE believed that??? Vpw rationalized the scriptures to irrelavance. Wierwille DECEIVED wierwille. He failed to comprehend......that's why they're called 'deceiving spirits.' ;)-->

Has anybody else noticed that the New TWI Website thread has surpassed 4,200 hits! No other thread in the first three pages has this many. Could it be that WayGB and twi-lurkers are keeping a close watch on this??????

The patterns of MOGdom....of plagerism....of exploitation....of mind control....FROM ANOTHER MAN who was born 23 years ahead of vpw's time. SAME patterns......loaded language....doctrine over person....dispensing of existence (for furthering the work of the group)....and on and on the pattern goes. Herbert W. Armstrong had a vision of WORLDWIDE outreach....and he had THE truth. -->

....in veepee's courtyard!!.....cgeer hissing at her.... ....ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. [Matt 23:15]

Scamming.....more, and more and more.....keep stringing the sucker along. Pfal grad......more classes, more teachings, more books. Corps grad.....more training, tapped to root, go back inresidence. In twi's sordid, guilt-pushing mindset......GRADUATION DAY NEVER COMES.

Quote from website: Hmmmmmmm.........looks familiar?? ;)--> Another admonition.....to look at the fruit.

The value of voicing this information -- priceless. :)-->

Evan.....yeah, sort of. When cgeer "pulled the curtain" in 1986.......he only pulled the curtain PART WAY. Standing center stage, exposed for all to see, were craig, don and howard.......just as cgeer had planned. NOTHING on vp's shortcomings.....NOTHING on adultery.....NOTHING on vp's structuring twi for unaccountability.......NOTHING on solid solutions. Almost TWO DECADES have passed and the wierwille worshipping continues.....and geerite groups became the beneficiaries. Some could easily discount cgeer's actions as "a tremendous service"..... and I would be among them. Cgeer pulled back the curtain far enough.....just to give the impression that we could see what lies behind. Cgeer and the incriminating legacy of vpw were standing stage left still behind the curtain. WAYDALE and GREASESPOT........has truly exposed the underbelly of twi.

Thanks for speaking up, Tom.

Who REALLY are the insiders of twi? From one perspective......it was always the next "level of commitment." If one was just a pfal grad, then he NEEDED the advanced class to have the "insider information." If an AC grad...then one NEEDED to go corps....."healthy competition" in lcm's words. BUT.........when one STEPS BACK and LOOKS at the masonic-degrees of "special insider enlightenment"...... twi was/is another hoax amongst many others.

TOMMYZ....there is NO initial appeal. Years of calculating.....years of standing alongside vpw.....years of desk work in Gartmore..... and documenting his biased version in the POP paper....gave him access to twi followers. This coup de main took years to implement. And, to this day....cgeer is a man who deceptively works behind-the-scenes.

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For reasons just like THAT.......many of those ex-region guys went underground.

ex.......yeah, lots of detailed stories. I had three close friends tell me their first-hand accounts with cgeer......psychopathic behavior and sex stuff like the lawsuits craig came up against.

ex....yeah, slippery has a reptilian sound to it. ;)-->

Past or present...who do you consider as the insiders? 1) Pfal grads? ..... because they have "inside information" that unbelievers don't have? 2) Adv Cl grads?.... because they are instructed on the revelation/impartation stuff? 3) Corps?........... because they are given inresidence training? 4) Clergy?.......... because they are "gifted" with more privileges and power? 5) HQ Staff?........ because they see paperwork, blue forms and attend special meetings? 6) Trunk Office?.... because they hear all the "reputation-dirt" and other stuff? 7) WayGB?........... because they monitor GS, know secrets and accept bribes? 8) Special assistants and inner circle of confidantes?.... the inner, inner circle? 9) Trustee household and emeritus? because they know the agendas? Who REALLY are the insiders of twi? skyrider

And further......by 1984, cgeer was setting policies and procedures for the european believers. Cgeer told finnxgan, the world-wide outreach coordinator -->, that NO LONGER would european followers attend roa every year.....but rather, every third year. And.....with cgeers interests and adeptness in languages, he was moving in on the african work. The translations department at hq had many abrasive communications with cgeer on these issues. It seemed that......even though cgeer was given europe to oversee....HE WANTED MORE.

As founder and president of twi, vpw knew that there would come a time when he needed to step down and retire from his work. The ministry calendar year of 1981-1982 fit "like a hand in a glove" for this planning......December 31, 1981 marked vpw's 65th birthday and the 1982 year marked the 40th Anniversary of wierwille's ministry. For at least five years in running, vpw and cgeer had a growing relationship and mutual interests on many fronts. Clearly, cgeer was far more than vp's driver......cgeer was vp's valet, bodyguard, confidante, dog trainer, associate, reading partner, theorist, and more. Cgeer taught and publicly told the corps how he minutely studied vpw and mrs. in every facet....so that he, cgeer, and his wife could be their closest aides. On another front, lcm aspired vp's approval.....he sought vp's advice and leadership in countless situations. For years, lcm would emcee and/or teach before vpw came on stage. Lcm enjoyed being front and center. The corps program was his "baby project" and no one was going to take that from him. It is my opinion that vpw, in strategizing his last couple of years as president, saw the escalating egos of cgeer and lcm converging towards collision. Other leaders were in the mix as well......but vpw's "grooming" of his selection was well underway. Also, vpw had endorsed donna to be craig's wife.....for furthering the work of the ministry. By 1980-81....cgeer was "given" Europe.......in essence, cgeer was Europe's trunk coordintor, corps director, corps coordinator, and more.....and he later held the copyright documents to the pfal material. Cgeer was given a huge chunk of responsibility!!! Yes, reluctantly....vpw sent cgeer away. In the BRC, the night cgeer was acknowledged for this responsibility and undertaking vpw wept sorely......like a man saying farewell to his closest friend. The BRC sendoff was one of the most emotional nights I'd ever witnessed in twi history. Back to martindale.....1981-82 was his president-elect year leading up to the "transferring of the mantle" and the videotaping of this occasion. Lcm assumed his installed authority and ascended to his own unique leadership, distancing himself from his mentor. After all that, here's my question? Did vpw foresee the clashing of egos of these two men....cgeer and lcm....and strategically put an ocean of water between them knowing that they couldn't possibly work together? And more yet.....KNOW that divisions would be on the horizon and follow his death? skyrider

Yeah, H...........what they WANT......is NO MORE LAWSUITS. Twi wants to distance themselves from lcm's avalanche of atrocities.....and find another scenic route to their banking destination.

Galen/Hope As a corps grad, the "insider label" is nowhere near my door. I tend to think that most corps, who moved every two or three years, were NOT insiders who tracked reputation-dirt, or whatever. I have/had NO knowledge of SB's reputation --- NONE. The only reason I knew who was being discussed in that conversation is the hints gave her away......4th corps.....clegy woman..... southern belle. To figure out the person....for me, it was only a matter of elimination. The 4th corps had about 70-80 or so (?)........clergywoman -- only 18-20 women were ordained in twi...... southern belle --- that narrowed it down to say 2 or 3............ with the initials of SB..... BINGO. Being corps and working on staff....... I was required to learn people's names! :)-->

on the brighter side..... i know a couple who went BACK inresidence and it WOKE THEM UP examples are everywhere....even here.....of blind allegiance (at one time)....i know, i was one of them. it only takes a few set of circumstances to TRIGGER the brain cells......to move the legs......to start walking.........AWAY. never give up, wondering :)-->

As many have posted before......twi systematically closes doors from an INDEPENDENT life and lifestyle. Learned helplessness......describes it fairly well. All the psychological, social, mental, physical barriers keep twi followers from the LIFE on the outside. Maybe, a better term for some........deathers. Too descriptive?? They are deathers....hook, line, sinker, even unto death.