skyrider

ABSOLUTELY. Yeah.....the longer one's involvement the MORE detrimental it becomes! The way indoctrination supercedes scripture and the practical application is to obey twi leadership above all else. The pfal class spawned all sorts of private interpretation, of which, FEAR and ISOLATION became the order of the day. Via fear, one was manipulated and motivated to do things that they never would have done. Amd, isolation from family, friends, eduation, etc. marred, crippled, abused, and/or destroyed. The way corps was the ultimate "luring one into the lion's den." The predators, wierwille and martindale, were selective in their prey and insatiable in their sexual appetites. IMO the closer one learned and applied "the teacher's" way of abundant life the further one distanced himself from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sheeeesh.....what is it about the CASTE SYSTEM that is sooooooo appealing???? Maybe......."a place for everybody, and everybody in their place." ????? Wonder if the staffers have a wood-grained nametag?? --> No thanks.

Whenever I'm in a situation where I'm "herded into a room" and instructed to find my chair....my canary is wary. It becomes my first alert alarm. I refuse to become just another number in someone's organization or church. I can smell that kind of attitude on the ushers! Whenever someone is "selling" anything.....I refuse to be cornered or pin-holed in any way, shape or form. So many of these places are like the barking carnival worker who's trying to get my attention and money. Self-preservation and individuality are worlds apart from groupthink suffocation

Yeah.....Mrs. W walked the walk while....veepee talked his talk

Oak, Yeah.....the timeline of these events, coupled with vpw's statements EXPOSE lots of discrepancies. I remember Mrs. Wierwille and her daughter Karen (??) poured over twi history months on end to compile these facts for this book Born Again to Serve. I'll have to dig out that book from my attic one of these days and document the timeline. But, if someone else has their book close by......go for it. :)--> All of this is VERY INTERESTING to me.....seeing how vpw's work sputtered and coughed for ELEVEN YEARS.......until vpw sat thru BG Leonard's foundational class on "Receiving the holy spirit." And, in pfal....vpw added appendices of Bullinger research and topics to "beef up" the groundwork of BG's work. IMO wierwille didn't "fit it all together".....he just added and supplemented the Leonard foundational classes with additional material. Surprise! Surprise! Isn't this what Bullinger did in his COMPANION BIBLE with all the appendices???

Twi's book, Born Again to Serve, by Mrs. Wierwille corroborates the thievery by veepee of BG Leonard's foundational class. Think about it......from 1942 (the boasted "start" of vpw's ministry) to 1953......ELEVEN YEARS, veepee's teachings must have sputtered along UNTIL HE SAT THRU BG'S CLASS. Remember in pfal where veepee boasts of "doing nothing but studying God's Word twelve, fourteen hours a day? When did he do this? Looks to me like he did NOT do this from 1942-1953. In his own words, veepee didn't find these revelation truths in the Scriptures before BG taught him. Next question.....did veepee DO ALL THIS STUDYING when he latched onto Bullinger's research work?? To me, I would speculate that this is the case. When veepee became excited about Bullinger's work, he THEN.....worked and engrafted the Leonard work with this Bullinger research. From 1954-1967, veepee had THIRTEEN YEARS to work and intermix this stuff. Thanks Mrs. Wierwille......for telling us the truth. No guesswork needed anymore. I sorta wonder if twi will be pulling Born Again to Serve from their shelves. It exposes the myth of the mog for all to see. :D--> :D--> :D-->

From the plagiarized thread, the following quote was posted from twi's book, Born Again to Serve. What is vpw saying??? If revelation is God's perogative, then why the struggle?? After all, there are PLENTY of commands in the Scriptures and the epistles for the believer. Things like....."love thy neighor, walk in love, walk in light, walk circumspectly, etc." Is "the hard way"......the CARNAL way? Is "the hard way"......the vpw way? Is "the hard way"......the attempts-to-manipulate God way? After sorting through vpw's plagiarist background, his bold-faced lies, his sexual predatory nature, and a host of other deviant behaviors......I SERIOUSLY DOUBT the vpw stories of "revelation." Did he REALLY go to the race track? Did veepee really see black-heart/white-heart revelation from God? Much has been posted on the "snowstorm-gas pump" episode.... Being in the corps and on staff at HQ.....and around victor paul wierwille for several years......I NEVER SAW ONE INCIDENT THAT I WOULD CLASSIFY AS A SIGN, A MIRACLE OR A WONDER WHEREIN VPW WAS WALKING WITH GOD. NOT ONE.

According to twi's book, Born Again to Serve, Mrs. Wierwille documents the dynamic ministry of B.G. Leonard that was originating from Calgary, Alberta Canada. Apparently young vpw had heard enough to convince him that B.G. Leonard's class on "Receiving the holy spirit" was most needful to learn about the workings of God. In March of 1953, young wierwille phoned BG and asked to be included in his next class. On such short notice, BG told vpw that he was not welcome to attend the next class. Well, vpw (knowing the start date of the class) got a plane ticket and flew into Calgary anyway....and BG confronted vpw at his dooor. After consideration, young wierwille was allowed to be a new student in BG's class. In June/July of 1953, dorothy and don accompanied vpw to the NEXT BG LEONARD CLASS....dorothy and don were considered new students. Vpw was designated as a grad of this class. BG had class pictures taken after each class to document these classes and his ministry's progress. THREE MONTHS LATER.....in October of 1953, vpw assembled his first "pfal class" but no syllabi, no materials, nothing was given to the new students of this class. Wierwille used BG LEONARD'S WORK AND CLASS FORMAT and presented the material as his own. As documented in twi's history, vpw literally STOLE BG'S CLASS AND MATERIAL and used this as the cornerstone work for "his" work. Later, Dr. Higgins from Chicago introduced young vpw to the research work of Dr. Bullinger and gave him the Companion Bible as a gift. As wierwille studied and devoured Bullinger's research and work, wierwille engrafted major components to prop up his own ministry work......and pfal crawled forth. With a canned product in hand by 1967/68.....vpw went searching for the youthful Christians and found growing works in New York and California. At the age of 52 or so, wierwille was savy to working a crowd and swaying opinion. After all, he proclaimed of himself to be The Teacher. Now, this twi-history fits like "a hand in a glove." The "hand" out of BG Leonard's ministry.....fit nicely into the concealing "glove" of wierwille. :D--> :D--> :D-->

And, one more thing..... ...."more biblical with much less baggage" Talk about a euphemism !!! Oldies, you misdirect.....you deliberately "soften" veepee's corrupt and immoral behavior. The man was an adulterous, sleazy, plagerist, and con-man who found "a way" to stay holed up on his farm.....scamming the youth. Thereby he was self-serving desires with his harley-ridin, drambuie-drinking, kool-smoking, deer-hunting, womanizing habits and found a kentucky sidekick who'd lie and cover for his actions. So.....he reread a few bible verses. Narcissism is an apt portrayal of "his baggage."

So what????? Tell that to my corps sisters who were RAPED when he lured them onto his motorcoach. oldiesman, you know not whereof you speak!

Rascal, I think I understand where you are coming from. Even for vpw to be CONSIDERED a false prophet......is very telling. Obviously.....vpw was SO FAR from blameless that he was outside the framework of an overseer, a bishop in the church [ I Timothy 3 ]. And, if the proper safeguards would have been in place.....church board members would have ousted his butt long before he damaged others with his perversions. Heck, even the devil himself spoke truth....out of context....when it suited him.

The month of August closes out twi's fiscal year......inventory levels are counted, financial records are tabulated and a new calendar year begins September 1st. With the coming year, a new set of hoops will be set forth. Once again, the innies are NO LONGER advanced class grads of The Way of Abundance and Power series. NOPE. A new foundational class starts the process all over again. The innie starts at ZERO.......again. A new student, at best........and the hoop jumping starts all over again. C'mon.....this is "the will of God" for you to sit thru another set of classes?? Please throw all of your "old" material away.....because it's old wineskins. Ya know, you can't put NEW wine into them ole skins cause they'll bust thru not retaining the new stuff. New books and syllabi will be forthcoming, so get your pocketbooks out and be ready to send in the cash. Isn't God good.....to open up new classes for the household?? ;)--> Also, throw out your old lift lists......there are NEW directors and your allegiance is demanded (er....requested) for the new year. Praise veepee......forget martinfail......and don't ask HOW MANY hoops you need to jump!!! We'll tell you when to stop. Isn't this household spea--shaaaal? :D--> :D--> :D-->

To be fair.....pfal had some GOOD stuff in it....BUT whole subjects, definitions and concepts were lifted from other spiritual men. If I were to quantify it....I'd say that about 75% of pfal was fairly good stuff. But things like "the law of believing" interjected very destructive concepts into students. And, the absent-christ concept was one of the worst of the indoctrinations. By the way, I was born again as a teenager prior to my involvement with twi. Romans 10:9,10 was NOT something that twi had exclusive rights to. :)--> IMO the corps program waxed worse and worse.....fashioning itself and embodied with IDOLATRY. Via manipulation, my eyes were systematically afixxed to "ministry leadership" and AWAY FROM MY SAVIOR, MY LORD. When veepee visited our campus, you'd swear that he was going to be riding on a white stallion. I thank God everyday that He guided my steps back to His love and truth and way. The fruit of twi is the OUTWARD MANIFESTATION of the quality of the tree, the way tree. Need I say more?? :D--> :D-->

Yeah.....I've strongly considered this as well. Add to that........the early works in California and New York and North Carolina and how veepee engrafted these works as his own, running off the Christ-led leaders of that time, the marketing of pfal classes and hiding behind the scenes while wow ambassadors and others fronted the classes and ministered to the good-hearted people, the inner-circle corps program and raising up leaders two-fold the men of hell, the seduction/abusing/raping of corps women to fulfill his lusts, the unbridled adulation to the MOG - father of the word (ugh), and a death that was untimely wherein he "never finished his course" nor saw healing from the One True God. Vpw died and cgeer was at his side. There was immediate cover-up and lies to perpetuate his martyrdom. To this day, twi continues to revere their "founder of darkness" and hide their millions unbeknownst to their followers. No accountability spiritually or financially. Thanks Sunesis.

Would I stay? NO....a THOUSAND TIMES, no. Even the staunch veepee supporters here at GS do NOT seem to support "the twi system" from its founder........ONLY the sweet-cookies from piffle. There seems to be a HUGE disconnect between piffle and the practical application that flowed throughout twi's system of manipulation.

Who in their RIGHT MIND would trust a corporation that deliberately hides and covers for its leaders??? Isn't it OBVIOUS by NOW that twi is corrupt and deceiving???

Thanks Goey.......very interesting. :)--> According to twi material, the book Born Again to Serve by Mrs. Wierwille, vpw was introduced to E.W. Bullinger's research and work in 1953. After Rosalind Rinker gave the Companion Bible to vpw as a gift, vpw purchased and acquired all of Bullinger's work and devoured it. Hmmmmm.....1953 - 1967 is FOURTEEN YEARS before the pfal class was filmed. And, some of these other books "of vpw" didn't go to the publishers until the mid-70s. I find it amusing that Bullinger's article approches the subject with a question mark......"The Rich Man and Lazaruz: An Intermediate State?" And, wierwille approaches the topic in the same manner....."Are the Dead Alive Now?" :D--> :D--> :D-->

igotout, Thanks. And yeah, amazing how much equity and ground one can GAIN BACK in five years........AFTER leaving that cornfield cult. FIVE YEARS HAVE PASSED........and every lawsuit, and the disgustful handling of Mrs. Wierwille, and the cemetary issue at the Way Woods, and the WayGB's monitoring of GS, and the continued hemoragging of twi.....ALL are strong indicators showing that the twi-religion is waxing worse and worse. Good job, rosie........your grinding the thing into the ground with your high-heeled approach. :D--> :D--> :D-->

Wordwolf, Thanks for the recap.....back into the 80s. Heck, I was only trying to give a glimpse of the past ten years of those exiting twi's doors. :D--> Maybe the wierwille shrine and bookstore sales outside of new knoxville, ohio hasn't died out completely.......BUT many states don't have enough followers to fill my living room. When the daughter of Howard Allen, cxndy fxrt and her husband mxchael.....who've been corps coordinators, trunk coordinators, limb coordinators for 20 years REQUEST to find other employment, THAT is a telling sign. The shrine of wierwille may always have a small following in today's world of fanaticism.......BUT twi is only a shell of its former self. Twi can have their wierwille shrine in western ohio. Twi's reputation and vitality is tarnished forever. :D--> :D--> :D-->

Five years have passed.......and the graduating corps numbers have become pathetically embarrassing. Five years have passed.......and the whispering of lcm's sexcapades and threesomes have traveled coast to coast, and abroad. Five years have passed.......and it has become general knowledge that Rosalie KNEW as early as 1995 of lcm's sex/rape assaults on corps women and did NOTHING about it. Five years have passed.......and the Florida folk have heard that Dottie Moneyhands was instrumental in "counseling" corps women who'd had exposure to "the martindale handshake." Five years have passed.......and martindale's wap class has fallen flat on its butt and now, twi is in the process of copying CFF's format with several teachers and presenting another foundational class. Five years have passed.......and the man (lcm) who wanted to self-install his new assignment as Chief Research and Bottle Washer at twi is stuck in a dead-end job. What can brown (shxx) do for you?? Five years have passed.......and donna seems to have taken over Janet Myrxcle's old job as Head Housekeeping Honcho. Five years have passed.......and donna couldn't seem to cut it as the Special Assistant to the President. :D--> Five years have passed.......and rico spaghetti is still giving wet-noodle pr statements and an lcm-wannabe. Five years have passed.......and the way rag continues to recycle old, crusty articles. Five years have passed.......and each day has only MAGNIFIED the reasons why I started my exit back in 1995. :D--> :D--> :D-->

For those of you who are new here..... Region and limb coordinators have been EXITING twi in the past ten or so years. Here are some of them who NO LONGER could tolerate twi's lies and deception. Region Coordinators (at one time or another) who've left twi's doors: 1) Jxhn Shrxyer (and wife) 2) Wxyne Clxpp 3) Pxul Mxsqueda 4) Alxn Licht 5) Tom Lxlly 6) Brad Thxrpe 7) Dean Sxilor 8) Larry Pxnarello Limb coordinators.......probably about 10 - 14. Branch coordinators.....lots of em. Other corps.......who've gone back to college and refuse to accept relocation assignments. Yeah.....I'd say that LOTS has changed in the past few years. No longer is there solid allegiance to twi. The subtleties are everywhere.......at hq, and on the field. The corps and corps alumni that I've spoken to.....DO NOT TRUST TWI and yet, some are not ready to cut the last few strings that tie them to twi. But hey.....lots can happen in five years. :)-->

In Aug/Sep of 2000, lcm was ousted by twi's board of directors per lawyers' strong advice and counsel. Under the cover of darkness AND SILENCE, martindale was relocated to Toledo, Ohio and months later surfaced with a UPS safety job and part-time work at Bally's as a physical trainer. Obviously, his resume didn't account for much in the REAL WORLD. All information on lcm was tight-lipped and extreme measures were taken so that the martindale fiasco could be swept under the carpet and out of sight. Only a small circle of people knew the whereabouts of lcm's relocation UNTIL IT BROKE ON GREASESPOT. Then, the floodgates of information poured forth. FIVE YEARS have passed.......craig works in Toledo, donna works in housekeeping! Wowsers!! ALL EVIDENCE of the out-of-court settlements (plural) strongly herald that "this was NOT a one-time affair" as martindale proclaimed and the board of directors nodded in agreement. FIVE YEARS have passed.......and twi's board of directors have CHANGED faces three more times!!! What is going on??? Is Rosie ousting others who will not tow the line and follow the lies??? FIVE YEARS have passed.......and the innies are still being lied to! The cover-up continues......but I wouldn't be surprised that many, many corps and followers KNOW the gritty details. The facade of "nice and gentler and happier" people is the flavor of the day, but I think that such is not the case. FIVE YEARS have passed.......and the martindales are still married??? Unbelievable, unfriggin-believable. Who in the right mind would want to give allegiance to twi and its classes when skeletons are hidden all over the grounds of this wierwillite cult??? Hypocrisy walks the halls of twi's OSC hallways carrying a big stick. :D--> :D-->

Back to the top. The "shuffling of the deck" continues to present a different draw to the areas.... Looks like the Chappxlls are no longer at the top of the deck. And the Fxrts....I know Michael and Cindy REQUESTED to be dropped from twi payroll to go get REAL JOBS. And, like someone noted.....lots of these limbs have 20 people in them or less. And, some can't even scratch a home fellowship together. The twi-religion is running dry.

Belle, I am so happy for your effervesing joy!! You so desired for this to happen.....and you pleaded with the moneyhands to help open these doors. You waited for months and months on this.....and NOW it's happened. Hurray! Hurray! :)--> :)-->

So, since about 1986, about twenty years ago.....twi has had NO RESEARCH DEPARTMENT and conducts NO TRUE RESEARCH and yet, the deception continues. Could it be any clearer?? :D--> Twi is a deceptive and dark organization.....hiding behind bogus qualifications and slanted agendas. Who indoctrinates and fronts the corps nowadays.....Rico Spagettio?? Or is it Rxpp?? Amazingly, pathetic.