skyrider

rascal, Yeah......the LUNCHEON following the funeral service would have provided ample opportunity for innie staff to mix with "friends and co-workers" who left twi years ago. The conversations would have spurred on lots of questions and, perhaps, debunked many lies and labeling by twi's leaders. Surely.....the "possessed" label would have been nearly laughable had those innies spent some quality time discussing with ex-way folk their families, careers, community involvement, prayers answered and BLESSINGS FROM GOD galore. The powerful witness of first-hand information would have empowered others to leave twi's confines.....and started another mass exodus. :D--> Yeah, I can see why rosa-lie and co. were/are AFRAID of informing others about the St. Marys funeral service. The "invite" to attend twi's grounds and the garden of living waters at the end of this month is a FUTILE ATTEMPT TO CONTROL THE SITUATION, GUARD THEIR FLOCK AND PAY HOMAGE TO TWI'S ANNIVERSARY DATE. It's so obvious! Sheeeesh. -->

And, what a blessing her presence must have been to the wierwille children and grandchildren. While some cower to twi's agendas of mark/avoid and slanderous posturing.......others, like Rhoda, take the high road and walk the Christian walk.

And one more point.... Attending the visitation is one thing, but to attend a funeral AND LUNCHEON afterwards is much more UP CLOSE AND PERSONABLE. The luncheon is a catalyst for fellowship and re-connecting with friends and family alike. It's an invitation to "stick around and stay awhile." Those who've traveled hundreds or thousands of miles to the funeral are most appreciative having not seen loved ones for, possibly, many years. To shun such an opportunity of love and fellowship.....when only living SEVEN MILES AWAY..... is unconscionable.

Here is another way of looking at this......when thinking about the wierwille children (JP, Sara and others) Wanda.....is their sister-in-law Ralph, Laurie...... nephew, niece Rhoda.....is their aunt Family and extended family come TOGETHER in times of joy and sorrow..... to bless, strengthen and comfort one another. That's what FAMILIES do. And, then there are the wierwille grandchildren that came to this funeral for their grandmother..... Mrs. Wierwille. On a sorrowful day such as this, and relatives seven miles away DIDN'T BOTHER to make the drive over. Pathetically sad, really.

Now granted, I can understand why twi would want to do a special recognition service to honor the life of Mrs. Wierwille. As a matter of protocol and such, it would be the proper thing to do on a sunday service to eulogize the life of this wonderful woman and wife of the founding president. BUT......to cold-shoulder the wierwille family funeral service in St. Marys, now that is quite a different situation. And, to further dictate to the innies that any attendance by way folk to this funeral was NOT acceptable adds even darker resolve. Once more, twi cannot change their spots......or their ways of darkness, because the powers-that-be lust for CONTROL.

Days pass into weeks, and weeks into months, and months into years.......and yet, "business as usual" seems to be twi's unyeilding mode of operation. For example, the lastest episode of twi's m.o. was the St. Marys funeral service for Mrs. Wierwille. As I understand it, the wierwille kids made every effort to graciously accommodate all who desired to attend this memorial...... and yet, WHO SHOWED UP FROM HQ STAFFERS? Wanda? Ralph? Laurie? Bob Ed? Rhoda? Mal & Jan? Others? Maybe some relatives and loved ones came to the St. Marys funeral service to comfort and bless the wierwille kids..... but I haven't heard of any. IF NO HQ STAFFER came to this memorial service, and will ONLY ATTEND a TWI-sanctioned memorial service...then their actions speak louder than any words could say. It's all about CONTROL. How simple and loving it would have been for some 50 staffers to attend this St. Marys memorial service and show the respect due to the wierwille children. If twi is "kinder, gentler" these days......then THIS would have been a wonderful moment to cross over this threshold. But if it's a case of overtly promulgating their mark&avoid stigma, then the message was received loud and clear. Twi is a loser outfit. Twi can only exist.....when it holds CONTROL.

Yeah......I said it THEN, and I'll say it AGAIN. When twi did their little corps promos....and sent out their literature....there was NO HINT of the corps program being a lifetime commitment to the way exaggerational. I did NOT make a "lifetime commitment" to serve twi doctrine"......NO WAY. Only behind closed doors, did twi have the sleazy tactics to try and put their hooks into us young corps. And, yeah....for years, I kept taking on assignments to appease the guilt. But in my heart, I knew my allegiance was to God Almighty. And, the further from hq....the BETTER my year. To avoid suck-up leaders and the bureaucratic cesspool of committee indulgence was NOT SOMETHING THAT APPEALED TO ME. I detested the lording over of God's heritage. I detested martinfail's scream-sessions. I detested the idolizing of the wierwille-owens-wierwille hierarchy. I detested the lcm-wannabes and the golf club gang. Sure, I could have left......but, I kept waiting to see if "the new classes" and "sanctifying of the household" would produce godly results. I knew too much about cgeer to want to follow his groupies and his mentality. NO THANKS. To me, the corps program was THE BEGINNING OF THE END. Yeah, it could have been a wonderful blessing....if godly agendas were backing it. But wierwille, in his lust for power formed and conformed THE CORPS PROGRAM INTO HIS IMAGE......an image of arrogance, and self-serving lust. Signing on the line to go corps......was ONE of the worst decisions of my life. I deeply regret it......STILL. skyrider

So.......after FOUR years of "pfal" still very interest or involvement. So.......in 1957, veepee finally cut the church umbilical cord. So.......twi really DID NOT start in 1942 if the HONEST TRUTH WERE TOLD.

vpw's slanted viewpoint doesn't fit. Yeah, right......a monthly newsletter that was "so badly printed, you could hardly make out a word." In one breathe, vpw loathes leonard's work.....in another, it is PERFECTLY ACCURATE. And the highlighted point that veepee wants to make........"the whole article was exactly what I had come up with in my months of research."

Some eight years ago, a woman in my branch unexpectedly died of heart complications and her husband asked me to do the memorial service. In my preparations for this memorial service, I received a phone call from Bob Moneyhand's secretary concerning this deceased woman's brother who was listed as mark/avoid in Florida.....and this brother had all intentions of attending this memorial service. Moneyhands had all but told this guy that he was NOT welcome to attend.....but told him that he'd have to phone me and get my permission. Well.......I TOTALLY DISAGREED WITH MONEYHANDS ASSESSMENT OF THE SITUATION, and when I talked with this brother I gave him my gracious condolences and welcomed his arrival with open arms. He traveled thru the night by bus and a couple of guys in the branch picked him up at the bus station and housed him. We treated him as an equal, a brother in Christ. The day of the memorial service, I made sure that the immediate family....including this brother....were comforted and supported throughout the day. After the service and all, I specifically invited him over to our house for the evening! At this invitation, he openly wept. He could not believe that we were treating him with such love. He reminded me that he was mark/avoid by Bob Moneyhands.......but I refuted it by saying that, on THIS day, it did not have any bearing on my actions. He needed to be comforted and uplifted. The hardness of twi leadership in a memorial service setting was just ANOTHER RED FLAG that hurried my departure from twi. And, from what I heard about the treatment to the Wierwille family at the time of Don's death.......it was standard operating procedure by then. God Almighty will deal with these injustices in due time.

What???????????? Not quite sure how you qualify and/or quantify "success?" If numbers, commitment, involvement, programs, etc fill the mix of success.........then tens of thousands of churches could be included. Like Goey said.....the basic tenets of Christianity with Jesus as savior and lord is all pretty good stuff.......and not exclusively-owned doctrine to any one group. The twisted twi doctrine is where things went south.

Yeah.....and today, the next tier of twi leadership [ages 50 and older] have adapted the same justification. IMO they justify their actions by having "given their lives for the ministry".....and secretly, they relish in a position of authority ot lord over the oppressed. With bogus "spiritual seniority status" they keep the faithful in line with fear of ostracizing them. Just like the corps were blamed for the RAINS AT CORPS WEEK & ROCK OF AGES......so the corps are held responsible for bringing in the abs. Obviously, the corps didn't have full allegiance in martindale's "revelation from God" and therefore, the "revelation" didn't come to pass. To hold twi microphone is to hold the people spellbound!! All the while, the bod pontificates in the boardroom to further instill their dominance. Un--friggin--believable. :D-->

Wordwolf, Very insightful.....after all these years. And some of those who were quoted in Elena's book have been LONG GONE FROM TWI for years and years........Stxve Hxfner (gone), Elena (gone), Tim B (gone), Charlene (gone), Earl B (gone), etc. etc. :D--> :D--> :D--> What a commentary of "The Way: Living in Love." ??????

Yeah......they put a link to CFF.com on their website, but they conveniently AVOID linking it to twi. Of course......wierwille didn't "link" his newborn outfit back to BG Leonard's ministry either in 1953. :D--> Why am I not surprised? Nothing new....

ABSOLUTELY. Good point. Yeah.....it simply showed that the cancer had easily spread throughout the trustee level. Surprise. Surprise. -->

Wayfer Not!....I exited shortly after the above quote in 1998. More and more of us corps were on the "cutting edge" of what twi leadership was demanding at that time. I bucked on the micromanagement as early as 1995 and couldn't stomach the mandates any longer. I too would be interested to see if anyone can verify these information from the stated meeting at ACS 2000. Yet, Rosa-lie herself stated in a 1995 deposition that SHE knew about the sexcapades.....ANOTHER shifting to duck and cover. Them trustees are a bunch of weasels.

I regret my involvement in twi. I DEEPLY regret ever signing to go corps. Thankfully, I was never in the inner circle of evil with eyes wide open to this corruption.

HOW MANY TIMES....were we told that the three trustees were the ONLY members of twi and were responsible before God to make right decisions? Throughout my corps "training" and grad involvement with twi, I probably heard this 12 to 15 times. How convenient for lcm....to duck and dodge the accountability when his blunders are in the spotlight!!! How convenient for lcm....to blame the corps for their blunders!!! Reminds me of King Saul in OT.....when God called him on the carpet for his actions and Saul tried to shift his disobedience back to the people. Same deal, different day. Saul lost his throne, too.

This episode of twi history was a RED FLAG WARNING that twi leadership.......the trustees, the trustee cabinet and the region men.......DO NOT WALK WITH GOD. This blunder.....preceded the Y2K preparations and prophecies. This blunder.....preceded the Allen and Parker lawsuits. How many blunders and buffoonishness can one stomach??????

In the Way Document section of GS, the following is one of lcm's finer quotes: --> Every corps is responsible for Corps Principle 4....."Practice believing to bring material abundance to you and the ministry." Lest we forget......In August of 1995, lcm's "revelation from God" for ALL corps to be on the payroll to further the outreach and impact of reaching others with God's Word. There was NO discussion of this! There was NO consulting with veteran corps grads to ask for their input! And, I am quite certain that there was NO open dialogue at the trustee level on this issue! Martindale barked his "hearing from God" to Don and Howard.....and they didn't question it. During these tumultuous few years, the trustees went on annual trips to Florida and the Bahamas. During these tumultuous few years, the trustees demanded corps to quit their jobs. Period. During these tumultuous few years, the trustees micromanaged ALL the activities, schedules and finances of corps. During these tumultuous few years, the trustees enforced a paper blizzard of reports and faxes. During these tumultuous few years, martindale was driving to Dayton and Lxnder was instructed to bring two corps/staff girls for martindale's fantasies and threesomes. All this time, donna and rosie are disappearing constantly for shopping sprees, extended trips and whatever ELSE! The list goes on and on........ YET..........it's the corps' fault because THEY weren't believing????????? If Don and Howard had had ANY OUNCE OF SPIRITUAL DEPTH, they would have kicked Martindale to the curb THAT DAY and apologized to every corps person and come clean!!!! Heck, at the very least they could have been honest and outright said that martindale's revelation from God was bogus.....and stipulated how many corps they wanted on the payroll. But no!!!....they had to concoct a spiritual reason, and the region leaders were brought into hq for the marching orders. With timing and bribing.....it works every time. And, what about the millions tucked away in hidden accounts? Lies, lies and cover their foot. TEN YEARS LATER.....and the interest on monies in various accounts is accruing everyday. The corps are expendable....but NOT the money.

Gee......just off the top of my head, I can think of 7 people (innies) who DIED while claiming God's protection within the walls of twi. And......on a scale of 1 to 10, I would consider DYING a 10 rating in "bad luck."

Huh????? With that kind of logic, they should be "glad" that others have split from twi and run their own pfal-versionized classes. Then others too can hear scriptures, receive salvation and walk with power from on high. Or, are they simply talking out of boths sides of their mouth.....falling head-first into idolatry of man? Long live the lordship of wierwille? These teenagers NEED to expose themselves to more life....outside the confines of waybrained propaganda.

Yeah........I heard this same shpeeeel in 1991/1992 after the "fog years" Yeah........they "want" a powerful, prevailing ministry that can't fill the first 15 rows in their auditorium at a sunday service. There is such a HUGE disconnect in that kind of logic that one would wonder if those folk even read the scriptures at all anymore. Waybrained or deadbrained.....take your pick. :D-->

What was wrong, really? Loads of things, but the ONE that quickly comes to mind.... veepee initiated a system wherein he could bask in adulation and have sole authoritative rule. At best, his plagairized work was a steppingstone for many of us in our desire to cross the running waters of youth and find God......at worse, his controlled cult has become a stagnant cesspool of iniquity for others.

A wonderful missionary man showed me the scriptures in Romans when I was a teenager.....and I was born again with a new outlook on life. For me, the lure of pfal was to "discern truth from error"........but the tares (at hq) and wheat were growing together. Thankfully the Lord, at harvest time, will do HIS JUST WORK in separating the two. Today, I have a better understanding in discerning truth from error.....BECAUSE THE ERRORS AT TWI GREW RIGHT BEFORE MY EYES. The evil seeds were planted and watered via pfal. And, now I see how deceivers and seducers can work WITHIN a corrupt system. Twi has shown me, up close and personable, the modern-day Pharisees that Jesus warned of to his disciples and followers.