skyrider

Godisgoodalways, Sounds like you've looked into many of those splinter groups......and for now, you have parked your family in a tender fellowship. But at this point, you have not signed on for the cgeer class series. One of the things I've learned from the twi/splinter group experience is......TO LOOK FOR SIGNS OF A HEALTHY, SPIRITUAL ENVIRONMENT. 1) Do they try to isolate and indoctrinate you? 2) Do they always have to be RIGHT? 3) Do they allow you to ask questions? 4) Do they encourage your individualityin the One Body? 5) Is the leadership the mediator between God & man, or is Christ Jesus? 6) Are they pressuring you to TAKE THE CLASS? 7) Do the "grads" exemplify the fruit of the spirit? 8) Are there alot of meetings behind closed doors? Here, in my neck of the woods.......the cgeer fellowships were nasty to me when I brought up some points that were disturbing. It was SO OBVIOUS that this structure was a closed-society operation. Not only should the rank-n-file folk be loving and giving (and all).......but the leadership should be genuine in practical application of their beliefs. And, if there is a caste system of sorts.......well, it should be very telling of the twi roots. Lots more......but I gotta run. :)

Thanks, rascal. :) Yeah.......I kept moving in the same direction BECAUSE.....I obeyed twi leadership and REFUSED TO ALLOW ANY OUTSIDE FORCE TO OPPOSE MY PUSHED-INERTIA. I wasn't a quitter.......I was a COMPETITOR. Once in the corps......I wanted to graduate, despite some misguided corps concepts. I gave it my "all".......guess I have no "middle gear." :P Distractions were a part of the challenge.....and I refused to acknowledge them. Why stop???.............when victory seemed so close at hand??? Yup............just keep moving, and you'll see what lies beyond the bend. IT NEVER HAPPENED. Twi has no intentions of changing direction.......even now, the financial inertia will keep the steam engine chugging along and pulling a train of followers. The train will follow the veepee tracks......no derailing this train of waybrain thinking. ONLY TWO CHOICES REMAIN: 1) stay on the train, or 2) get off. I jumped and rolled to freedom.

For years, I stayed in twi against my better judgement. Red flags were flying........and I stayed in my "comfort zone" of mental inertia. It "seemed" easier to stay in twi than CONFRONT ALL OPPOSING FORCES. Webster defines inertia....1) physics, the tendency of matter to remain at rest, if at rest or, if moving, to keep moving in the same direction unless affected by some outside force.....2) a tendency to remain in a fixed position without change; disinclination to move or act. In hindsight, every twi class was an indoctrination into an embryonic wayworld. New concepts, edgy ideals, elitism, spiritual entitlements, the true household, ..........and inertia was running its course. Advanced classes, Specials, way corps training......and I found myself in a fixed position without change. * Isolation.....from family, friends, co-workers, college peers, neighbors, etc. * Indoctrination......every class, every book, every fellowship, every teaching tape, etc. * Biblical Research, Teaching and Fellowship.......altruistic base, yet egotistical and deceptive. * No friends when it comes to The Word.......no friends, if I challenge and/or reject doctrine. * Years go by......further distancing myself from my family, my roots, my career goals, etc. * Independency suppressed.....and co-dependency on twi is fed daily. * All mainstream churches are run by seed men.......places are spiritual whoredom. * Intimidation escalates under lcm regime.......manipulation runs rampant. * Waybrain channels all thinking to reject "evil world".......short circuits logical thinking. * Salt of the earth ....when I obey. Scum of the earth.....if I disobey. * The man with the microphone IS RULING HIS MOGDOM. * One small "campfire of thinking" can engulf an entire forest, especially deadwood. And, so it was with my "little campfire" on LCM-DOCTRINE. Month after month, I stoked this little fire of thinking.....knowing that martindale was teaching and violating truths. Also, I knew aspects of the Cgeer camp and saw their own little controlled community of mogdom. This "little campfire of thinking" kept warming me from the frigid winter in wayworld. I diligently kept gathering sources to feed my fire and my soul was toasted from head-to-toe. Oh, it was so nice to find this warmth, this solitude, this strength. And, my mental inertia was gaining resolve with a GOD AND ME....MAKE A MAJORITY attitude. I loved it. I felt empowered. Waybrain.......mental inertia........thought reform........brainwashing, whatever you want to call it, the chains of twi's mental bondage were broken. Eight years ago......I was free, again. :)

Thin Lizzy,Yeah...........that was one of veepee's concepts, or simply.......WRONG DOCTRINE. Veepee started pushing this wrong doctrine in 1979 (?) or thereabouts. IMO, veepee was trying to keep the gene pool and the money pool within the confines of twi. :) Yeah...........I've seen this over the years. CORPS QUIT......and become corps alumni or ADVANCED CLASS GRADS REFUSE TO FOLLOW TWI-DICTATES......and buy a house (and forfeit their "rights" to attend future adv class special and/or run home fellowships)........or INNIES GO TO FELLOWSHIP but they govern their own ship and steer it to safe habors rather than follow twi's perilous commands. To me........IF THE PRACTICAL SIDE WAS OFF THE WORD........SO WAS THE DOCTRINAL. Thus. the DEEP DISCONTENT.......boiled over, and out the door I went.

Hey, Rick.........maybe this corps grad should clarify my point. It's NOT "the farm" per se.......BUT that veepee taught us corps over and over again, that the wierwille property was THE CENTER OF THE SPIRITUAL UNIVERSE IN GOD'S EYES. It was the only farm where "spiritual food was raised" to feed the world. Certainly, a slam on farming was not my intent......I have loads of respect for farmers who harvest corn, beans, wheat, cotton, etc.....and my hat is off to those dairy farmers. THAT is alot of work.

HCW, I totally agree......and yet, to this day, many ex-twi folk rally BEHIND THEIR FRONTMAN and push his wares, his tapes, his slogans, his insight. Ohhhh, this tape is great. You gotta hear it. And, really......hasn't the Cgeer fanaticism fizzled and sputtered as well? Yep.

igotout, Yeah.....a power struggle to secure the rights to MOGDOM. And, with twi-doctrine in tow......many others were claiming exclusive rights to "their people" in their state, or area, or whatever. Sorta like an animal that marks his territory with urine......to declare his presence and willingness to fight off competitors. Veepee did it.........to Hefner/Doop/others and funneled the power/funds to ohio in late 60s/early 70s. More subtle of course......but it happened.

It's probably just me.........BUT every time I hear about the "good ole days of twi"..... more often than not, I'm starting to rethink my position.... And, although there seems to be a VARIETY OF REASONS: ........1) the local leadership were awesome ........2) no nazi corps were around then ........3) lots of friends, real good-hearted friends ........4) the music was dynamite, just gripping ........5) veepee had good intentions, lcm was an arse ........6) we had "the word"....no one else did ........7) etc. etc. NOWADAYS......I really think it all goes back to YOUTH and a single-minded passion to see THE POWER OF GOD IN ACTION. Younger days, longer nights, commonality, the hippie-commune living era, raging hormones, dancing with the girls, naive thinking, limited exposure, rebelling against parents/culture, spontaneous activity, hanging with a group, living for something bigger than just me, speaking with authority to adults & ministers & all, ambassadors for christ..... ALL OF THE ABOVE.......and more, added to the grand scheme of things that captivated my heart. IMO, the recipe of excitement and allure of these times can never be reproduced in my lifetime. Oh, the joys of vitality and youth and fearlessness. It was NOT veepee. It was NOT piffle. It was NOT the brc, or hq. It was NOT sunday service tapes. Definitely, NOT a farm in cornfield ohio .... the center of the revelations universe. The 1970s youth were the strength of the twi movement. Basically, ONE GENERATION OF YOUTH......some 15 years (1969 - 1984) of exponential growth were the result of dynamic, unstoppable, believers. Younger days, longer nights......and no one wanted to go to sleep and possibly miss something. My thanks to all you youngbloods that added fun and laughter and excitement to my life. Those were the days, my friend We thought they'd never end.... We'd sing and dance Forever and a day. Or, however that song goes.

Oldies,.....don't you mean "breaking one of the FIVE CORPS OBJECTIVES?" :lol: In all my years with twi, I never heard ANYONE talk about breaking one of the ten commandments as it related to a corps dismissal. Your response is so-out-of-character of corps training......maybe your REALLY DID LIVE IN A PARALLEL TWI...???

Oldies......at one time, you posted on GS why you left, or were dismissed from, the corps program. Is there something in THAT experience that could enlighten us as to your "hard-nosed approach" to lcm's rantings, intimidation and manipulation to corps trainees? Seemingly, you PROMOTE the corps training.......and yet, your experience SEEMS TO TELL otherwise. Thanks. ;)

At the top of my list......"the good ones that I knew"..... Rev. Lonnxll and Brxnda Jxhnsxn.......hearts of gold And, if I remember correctly.......they exited twi around 1983. Seemingly, they had their own goals and passions in a wonderful balance of spiritual, family and career goals. They were not pursuaded into veepee's agendas. Last I knew, some two years ago.......they continue to exemplify the Christian walk and God has prospered them in all their ways. IMO, they took the high road.......and never looked back. :)

johniam, yeah........I remember hearing the same thing. But, ya know..........for reasons, I never could buy into this explanation. It just seemed to me that.......either, 1) cgeer was very sloppy and vague in delivering this so-called "last will and testament" having had over a year to process the information and all........OR......2) cgeer KNEW that this stuff would set off a chain reaction and he could slide behind the curtain only to re-emerge as "the man who was given the revelation to save twi AND HELP SALVAGE MARTINDALE'S BLUNDERS." Didn't buy that "intended rap of cgeer" in 1988.......and I don't buy that explanation today. Cgeer was far too cunning to NOT FORESEE this martindale eruption.

Morgan, You are definitely not alone. Scores of twi followers did the SAME THING. That's why......TWI FEARS A CLASS-ACTION LAWSUIT. Twi has misguided sooooo many. In fact, I heard from a very reliable source that Howard Allen's advice to a clergy couple around 1996 or 1997 ended in prison sentences for both husband/wife for tax evasion. Thanks Howard. You'd think that twi's "treasurer" would have known better......ya think???

As I remember it..... The 1978 Advanced Class was the LAST advanced class wherein twi utilized tapes, articles and incidents of OTHERS WHO WALKED WITH THE POWER OF GOD. We listened to an account of a woman who cast out some 17 evil spirits out of someone in India (?? or someplace). This 1978 ac credited many experiences of those who walked in the revelation/power manifestations of holy spirit. The 1979 Advanced Class was an "in-house operation" with much more pro-twi insertions. This class was in Athens, Ohio and had more of the flavor of a production or an event......rather than the usual adv class. IMO, the advanced classes never were the same after 1978. Churches were evil......all ministries, other than twi, were suspect to devil infiltration. Only twi was true-and-blue......all others had sold-out their ministries to the devil and his kingdom. As twi became an all-in-house organization.......the tower of Babel comes to mind. The twi leadership became blinded by their own pride and ego as early as 1978........and was spiraling downward. Wierwille couldn't see it happening......he facilitated it. Oh, how misguided men can be......when forsaking the Lord. Oh well........it's a good lesson to have learned.

Oldies, Maybe it's just me.......but I gotta tell ya Drambuie always reminds me of an alcoholic in wayworld. I'd much rather toast Pawtucket and the moderators with something else.

Yeah.......designed to ISOLATE and INDOCTRINATE the simple-hearted. Glad I learned the scam-artwork of twi early in life.

Yeah......if you don't COWER TO TWI-DICTATES, you are "the scum of the earth." Pretty easy to understand???? Really?? B)

Yeah........it's a HEAVY load. Even an elephant CAN'T HOLD IT.

EVERYTHING? Amazing. :lol:

Yeah......and bear in mind that making commitments with an allegiance to a blood-sucking cult may include these things: INTIMIDATION, MANIPULATION, ABUSE, DECEIVING, HYPOCRISY, VAIN WORSHIP. Know these things and be wise, Oldies-son. ;)

No, Belle........I never have. Having worked on hq staff for several years, I have never heard her speak in tongues. Vaguely, I seem to remember hearing her prophesy in a large meeting (when called upon)......but no sit. Maybe her twang doesn't twiddle.

When I revisit my corps training just weeks prior to Christmas, I see the escalation of manipulation. Warned to not allow earthly family to draw us away from twi More and more emphasis was placed on "spiritual family" or "true household" and "us versus the world" type teachings. Mr. wierwille came to the campus to "see his kids." Yeah, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look back at this and see the emotional manipulation on the youth, does it? Christmas songs were adapated to twi terminology. And, fronted onstage at sunday meetings and such......we spent time singing the adapted versions with sheet music. Christmas was a pagan holiday.......pagan! To learn this stuff in a peer-pressure environment gave way for a "rat out your corps brother" if he didn't comply......and change. Confrontations and insinuations mounted I vividly remember hearing LCM's spittal about "If you're corps material, you'll be back here after Ho-Ho Relo ready to go..........and if you're weak, the devil will pick you off and you will fall head-first back into your own vomit and never be corps!" Know that your earthly family will use all kinds of ways to entice you from your salted commitment. All or nothing scenarios.......NO middleground. Either you stand with twi and KEEP your commitment, or reject the Lord like Judas did......and your spiritual life is over. Those who didn't return after the Christmas break were "the scum of the earth." Clearly, the corps leadership with vile slanderings focused on a few individuals who didn't return.........see, THEIR WARNINGS were NOT HEEDED. See, they told us this would happen.......and it did. And now.........WHERE ARE ALL THOSE CORPS COORDINATORS???? GONE, GONE, GONE

Another thing....... One innie admitted to me that twi is struggling with this debt/mortgage issue and FEARS THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT IF TWI REVERSES THIS MANDATE. Several categories could be affected by this: 1) Those who sold their homes and are renting to accommodate twi mandates. 2) Those who refrained from purchasing a home so as to comply with twi doctrine. 3) Those who took on a mortgage.....and were "demoted" in twi's caste system and succombed to humiliation and/or degradation for doing so. Loss opportunities, loss equity, and loss of civil liberties have been THE RESULT of twi's manipulation and micro-management. Shame on them. Deep Discontent just might make its way towards Vicious Vindication. Shame on twi.

Out There, Yeah......and we got to see what Cgeer was up to and for what he really was. Here are a few things that I saw up close: * Cgeer said he had "revelation" to set twi on a course of godliness........but it was bogus. * Cgeer never spent one night in Trailer 5 at hq.......a personalized trailer for his comfort & privacy. * Cgeer had been spurring and sparring with twi leadership & bot for years......since 1982. * Cgeer had exhibited possessive behavior over veepee dating back to 1977......now this? * Cgeer had lied about clergy and situations in the past..........again, I saw it up close. For me, I could not in good conscience split out and follow the geer crowd at that point in time. Just had too many issues with the man and his manipulation. IMO......the splitting of top twi leadership was INEVITABLE. It had been festering and growing for 8 - 10 YEARS, maybe longer.

Yeah right................. Big time plagarist veepee wanted to distance himself far from the work of BG Leonard.