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Bingo. And......wasn't it common knowledge that Karen Anne, in CES/STI, wielded her influence as HEAD PROPHETESS?? Not just a prophetess......but HEAD PROPHETESS. And furthermore.......WHY no evangelists moving about in CES/STI???? Gee, how convenient.......NO BOARD OF DIRECTOR IN CES/STI has that evangelist ministry, so no head-hancho is going to hit the streets and WITNESS, or initiate a movement winning NEW converts. Nope......they spend their time writing books, sending out newsletters and teaching "twigs" with ex-twiers...!!! Nothing new under the sun........is there?

Aside from the gift ministry of an apostle, as discussed..........what is it about *the prophet label* that seems to elevate one into a higher spiritual realm?? In other words.......having the gift ministry of an evangelist, or a pastor, or a teacher is that LESS relevant, LESS important to Almighty God?? Or, do these three (evangelist, pastor, teacher) more emphatically plant one's feet in the MINISTERING CATEGORIES of life and living?? It just seems to me that......prophet, prophetess, personal prophecy LAUNCH ONE'S SPIRITUAL ACUMEN into another stratosphere or something. Like, to say, he/she is the EYES and EARS of the church. :blink: Woe unto those lowly, menial servants pastoring the flock of God.

Well.......in my opinion, the *major players* have NO intention of explaining "the process".....but rather, have utilized twi's class and caste system as a prototype for their own splintering work. Of course, the corporate/business world has long had a beginning/intermediate/advanced step system........wierwille had to adapt when his pfal class was too much/too fast and held off on the intermediate material. And, speaking of *major players*........I seriously doubt that you are going to find cgeer, or f1nnig@n, or lyynn, or t0wns3nd, or name-that-player to come on GS and explain the process of manipulation that lines their pockets. Of course, you could study cgeer's POP paper and see how he claimed top seat to wierwille's ear and dying testamony on "preserving da verd" for future generations. You might also gain some perspective of speaking in vague generalities, the use of intimidation and creating a mystique around the next torch-bearer. And, for cgeer to move "the process" into a franchise system with fees and abs percentages from said areas flowing into his bank accounts...........now THAT is taking "the teacher" at his word and advancing upon it. So, Bump......I just think you're barking up the wrong tree looking for this info here.

Corps Indoctrination: TWISTED Teaching after teaching after teaching on serving others...........YET, every day we saw the special serving and pampering TO the corps leadership. And, when wierwille came to the Emporia Campus..........the week-long preparation, the special treatment, the signs and banners that were newly-painted, the German dinners that wierwille especially liked, etc. etc. was a constant reminder that THE MAN ON TOP is revered. Not being a quitter.......I vowed to stay in the corps until graduation. But, I also vowed to NOT BE LIKE WIERWILLE and, therein, be a servant to God's people. And now.......when you look at twi, it's very telling to see HOW MANY corps coordinators had/have split from twi many years ago. Guess they, too, saw it as abit hypocritical.

Well......I transferred OUT after having tasted a little of the hq-homecooked food.

Thanks rascal. Not easy being a lonely teenager entering an adult world, is it? Seems like there is MORE instruction and guidance from parents these days than back then. Maybe not.....but just with the internet alone, there is SO MUCH MORE information that one can easily attain on groups, cults. And, even though there were red flag warnings.....I continued to *transfer* what I saw with the wows and disregard the corporate structure and machinery. Just wasn't able to connect the dots, I guess. Oh, well.

Here at the cafe.......lots of discussions and exploration of past decisions attempt to uncover the attractions and reasons for committing years of our lives to twi. Like many of you, I find it beneficial to dig back into the recesses of my mind and shine some light on the question why? Two things immediately surface: 1) Transition: At that point in time, I was a teenager looking for *meaning in life* and was heading off to college. My world was changing........transitions in location, education, emotion, friendships, and just about every aspect of life. Free-wheeling along and alone and vulnerable, I also was in need of some spiritual ground to stand on. When traveling, one is vulnerable to unfamiliar situations, road conditions, accidents, car-jackers, muggers, etc...... one should be wary and vigilant at all times. 2) Transference: When WOW Ambassadors witnessed to me during those college years, I was intrigued by their love and care and devotion to spiritual truths. Spending that year with them gave me insight into spiritual commitment, daily prayer, heart-felt communication.......all those things that embody the Chrisitian walk as a unique member and participant in God's household. My mistake.........I transferred these first-hand qualities assuming that twi leadership at hq, and indeed wierwille, were the spiritual impetus and guardians of these truths. Just teaching or taking pfal does NOT entitle one's spiritual worth. I did NOT do my homework......I did NOT take the time to check out twi's credentials. The hype and hoopla of twi and all that "they" offered led me astray. Guess I was looking forward rather that UPward. Now.....I really don't "dig" into my past much anymore. I pocketed a few gold nuggets along the way, made some good friends, and on in life I go. :)

I believe that someone is referring to The Principles of a Believer's Family audio class that lcm, with donna at his side, presented to the gunnison inresident corps in 1995 or 1996. This "class" was actually a series of topics that lcm taught the corps and were put together as a "class" by twi's a/v department. If I remember correctly, there were nine or ten hours (sessions) of teaching......from a variety of topics dealing with life and living, courting, marriage and sex. It was really bland......skirting lots of issues and giving license to unmarried 25 year-old males to let their conscience guide them, or whatever. No teaching on the sanctity of marriage; no teaching on adultery; no teaching on alot of real issues. It was a terrible "class" to run.......imo, it was the worst of all twi classes. The fee was $30 and generally run over a weekend, Saturday and Sunday and left most students with more questions than answers. A one-page handout was given to the students......but like I said, it was an AUDIO class. Uuuuugh. Thankfully, this "class" dropped off the charts when WAP hit the field.....and a year or so later, I was gone. So, I don't know if twi continued to run these "believer's family classes" after that. .......In hindsight, it's unbelievable to think that lcm had the audacity to even think he could teach aspects of *the believer's family* OR *christian marriage and sex* when he was SO UNQUALIFIED to address these topics being steep in rampant adultery and all.

And, along with these ASSIGNED thank-you letters......was THE HAND-MADE CLASS CARD from the "artsy" person in the state or area. Some slaved over these class cards for 12 hours to add intricate details to bless the mog. It went from hokey.......to idolatry.

One more vivid incident comes to mind..... Sitting in the OSC Dining Room during Corps Night [those transition years moving from the BRC and waiting for the Auditorium to be built]........where wierwille was going thru his "literal translations according to usage" in the Book of Romans. While most corps took notes furiously, there were others in the back who didn't take these meetings quite so serious or spiritual. Anyways..........about an hour into the corps meeting, and this 6th corps guy is starting to nod off. Problem was..... he was near the front, somewhere near the fourth or fifth row, and in eye-shot of wierwille. Well, the nodding increased and the closed-eyelids-duration was becoming visibly evident. And, even though a couple of nearby corps tried to help this fellow stay awake.........it just wasn't meant to be. And, then it happened......wierwille's eyes fixed on a NODDING, DOZING CORPS GRAD who had the audacity, and no spirituality, to sleep while wierwille taught from Romans!!! This "act of disrespect" demanded the most intense verbal lashing that wierwille could muster......and thus it was. Red-faced with anger, and neck-veins visible...... wierwille launched into this tirade to strip bare every thread of self-worth that this corps grad had. On and on the verbal lashing went........not 20 stripes, not 25 stripes, not 30 stripes, not 35 stripes........BUT 39 VICIOUS, VERBAL STRIPES.......just one short of total and utter demoralization. Wierwille's anger could not be contained.....he went back stage and Craig came out as if *to tag-team* the effort some more. It was horrendous and awful and disgraceful. Man, in hindsight.....I wish that I'd stood up and yelled at the top of my lungs........SHUT THE FVCK UP AND LET HIM BE. The corps guy was escorted from the room......and wierwille came back, after about 10 minutes, to finish his teaching. But we'd already SEEN his teaching and lifestyle......who needed to take more notes??? The next morning......word spread that the 6th Corps staff guy was fired and sent packing. Need to add.......this corps guy, after seeking medical help awhile later, found out that he had a blood-sugar problem and he was treated for it. Prescription medicine helped him to not doze off. Guess wierwille nor martindale saw deep enough to HELP this guy.

Once again, there I was...... Sitting in the Way Woods at the campfire area for another nightowl with wierwille (1981?).......the crackling of the fire, the chirping of the crickets, and wierwille smoking his shortie Kools and talking about the things of the ministry. Behind wierwille a short distance away, standing in the shadows along the treeline was his valet/bodyguard and go-fer......J1m Cr1m. One of the major duties of vpw's side-man was to be in constant communication with his two-way radio. This communication helped to prepare others ahead of wierwille's movements, his change of plans, his up-to-date info on all pertinent information and added to the mystique of the mog. The radio, usually a wonderful asset in the mog's arsenal against evil BECAME a source of instant irritation! In mid-sentence, wierwille was abruptly interrupted by the screeching radio on J1m's hip......yep, somehow, the volume was too high as other radio-bearers were communicating. In an instant, wierwille was peeved!! Right then and there, wierwille went off on J1m spewing his venom publically and belittling him up one side and down the other. It took a few minutes for wierwille to regain his composure, but I assure you........the nightowl was over even though the corps coordinator tried to soften things before sending us on our way. The next morning...........J1m was long gone. One mistake, one public verbal lashing and the personnel landscape around wierwille changed once again.

Why is it..........when Larry starts posting, the thread always seems to turn TOWARDS Larry????? Sheeeesh.......it gets soooo old. Back to topic?

Yeah........that about sums it up. <_< From a man who "invented the hook shot" and gave the Ohio Transportation Department *his revelation on double-decker interstate system* and wrote a pamphlet on the dilema of foreign missions.........this narcisstic man was an unknown UNTIL he carjacked B.G. Leonard's class, his outreach center, his charcters in the class, his model for an independent ministry. And, even then..........it took H3fner and D00p to spark the fires of outreach. Wierwille always had to stand on the top rung. No room for contemporary God-fearing men, no room for The Tracker, no room for wierwille's own research team...............if wierwille WASN'T in the spotlight, then it was time to move the stage somewhere else. The corps indoctrination process showed me, up-close and personal, twi's CASTE SYSTEM.

There I was..... Sitting in the BRC (in 1980?) during one of those corps-sharing times......only THIS time, vpw had five or six corps up front who had returned from The Tracker School. After plenty of preliminary stuff.....ie the inrez corps guy led off with his spiel for about 10 minutes, letting wierwille sit back until the meeting got going.....then wierwille starts. He talks about the importance of learning, learning from anyone who is an expert in their field and all that. Thus, he felt it was important for these corps to attend The Tracker School. Well......all was fine as the corps shared some of the neat things they had learned.....UNTIL one LEAD-type corps guy shared how this Tracker Guy was amazing!! In fact, his perception and awareness of his surroundings, and life itself, was truly jaw-dropping. This Tracker Guy was unbelievable.....etc. SUDDENLY.....wierwille lashes into this corps guy with a vicious venom that I'd never seen before. Wierwille was livid.......and all of us in the BRC were stunned by his outlandish outbursts!!! As this venom escalated, wierwille glared at this corps guy and said that he was POZZEZZED......yep, he has spirits in his braincells. The corps guy stood his ground. It seemed like everyone in the BRC had stopped breathing. You could cut the tension in the room with a knife. In public view, wierwille was on the spot.....and this corps guy didn't seem to flinch. What was wierwille to do???? Yell some more......visibly fume.....and stomp out. You tell me what you think about wierwille.....and I'll tell you ANOTHER side of the man.

Yeah.......SO many things in hindsight. Like.....sitting on the damn floor for TWO hours (another meeting AFTER a meeting) with drooning ego-sharing. Or........wierwille calling for a *pajama party* and sleeping on the floor in top-floor wierwille library. Or........mal-pack conspiracy theories, but really NO spiritual insight to explain things. Or........singing Father Abraham while acting in an epileptic manner. Hated it from the get-go. Or........meal sharings, announcements, etc. in excess....thus, suppressing conversational time with others. Or........menial jobs like pulling weeds or mowing grass and having corps coordinators LAUD ITS IMPACT TO MOVING GOD'S WORD OVER THE WORLD.

Another TWISTED aspect of several years of corps indoctrination.........assigning TWO married couples to a 12' by 14' bedroom. IMO, that's twisted. Marriage is to be a unique relationship on so many levels. When husbands and wives are deprived of this personal space, communication, companionship, intimacy.......how does THAT add to the "Christian experience" of the inresidence program??? Couldn't someone figure out the number of bedrooms available at Emporia......and the number of corps applicants, and married couples.......AND THEN, do the math??? Was Money, Money, Money the bottom line to cramming the corps into these campuses?? Thankfully, I was single during my inrez years.

Don'tWorry........thanks for spotlighting another twisted dimension of wierwille, of twi. Time and time again, I've gone on record stating that "I deeply regret going into the corps program".........and, it becomes increasingly clear to me that the machinery behind wierwille's corps program was tooled to refabricate "vehicles of communication" in the image of wierwille. No wonder the corps program was filled with mixed messages.......doublespeak doctorology. No wonder wierwille's life left such a wake of destruction. No wonder the wierwille cult is a possessive pillar of paranoia. Seems that......wierwille twisted the scriptures every which way to bring IT into alignment with his self-serving demented mindset. And, the corps program was his little kingdom experiment.

Yeah.......Wierwille was THE prototype of the LCM doctrine and THAT is the dirty little secret that hq works very hard to stifle. Sure, make LCM the "fall guy" and tell all the folks that "he led twi astray and far away from pfal." Yet, when twi's history is OPENED..........it was WIERWILLE who "founded" the false doctrines, the death manipulation, the twisted mog-doctrine, the fear/believing cornerstone, the "just write the teacher" facade (cough, cough). IMO........Cgeer ALSO wrote his idolatrous paper, The Passing of a Patriarch, to FURTHER cover up the sins of wierwille, using strong intimidation tactics to squelch any and all questions. Patriarch???.......using old testament terminology for "God's man who brought the First Century truth and revelations into the Twentieth Century????" Just talking outta both sides of his mouth.........to distract and confuse. Sure don't want twi followers to step back and put the pieces of the wierwille/pyramid/scam together. Besides, ole geer would have alot to lose.......since he idolized the guy and wanted to start a wierwille-franchise that continues to this day. <_<

Another corps meal that was really strange was served at suppertime, at hq. On my interim year, we were served a hefty portion of applecrisp and ice cream for our meal. That's it. Yeah, it was really good........and sometimes, we got second helpings. BUT.......it wasn't *really a supper meal*.......it was a sweet dessert that should have followed the meal. Problem was.......after a hard-day's work, us interim corps were HUNGRY. And.........it was always served on Tuesday nights. And.........corps night used to be on Tuesday nights. And.........this applecrisp and ice cream would give us a MAJOR sugar buzz........not quite the mental state one needed before a long meeting. They did drop it off the supper meal menu after a couple of months though. Guess someone figured it out.

To me.......the worst breakfast of them all was wheat berries. It was awful. Like something one would expect to receive.....if they were in a food line, in prison. Give me eggs and grits any day of the week.

Okay......I guess it's a fair trade-off.

WG........thanks for sharing. Once again................TWISTED. If it were some newbie coming to twig, then the communication channels flow constantly to "undershepherd" them and get them in the class. If it were a corps person, then confrontation......more confrontation......get other corps "leaders" involved........maybe write up a report or two. Then follow-up......progress reports......maybe go directly to the corps coordinator's office and not pass "go." But a corps person's PRECIOUS child......?????........where's the vigilance? the oversight? the special attention? why are both corps parents working, running here, running there? Set-up this, string that......hardly any time for those parental concerns??? DUH? Corps "Training".............

.....fantasy games.....never seemed real......"played along"......a spell......a bewitching to follow along Maybe.........it was False Evidence Appearing Real ..................eeeekkkkkkkkkkkkk......FEAR !!

Ready for what?..........mal-paks and location? supplies? communication? red dawn mentality? conspiracy theories? pow torture? american overthrow? america awakes? illuminati infiltration? one world government? Or..........retemories? mastering pfal? study corps teachings? know every corps' name? tape library? know what wierwille taught on the subject? Or..........ready for the man of god? know his habits? what china cup does he like? what he eats for breakfast? how he trains his dogs? his drambuie/coffee sipping during corps night? be ready when he nods his head? Martindale was ready.........and willing to follow wierwille's every whim. And now? Cgeer was ready...... .....and look where its taken him?? IMO, the corps indoctrination was impossible-information-overload. Purposely, it was designed to intimidate and fluster and break down the most confident of individuals. Thus, if successful to the full extent of the indoctrination.... it stripped one of his/her truly unique spiritual and moral self.......leaving, in its place, a wierwille-idolater.