skyrider

Kinda like those "From Birth to Corps" papers that wierwille wanted written........if the guy was so spiritual, why a detailed autobiography of one's past??? Then..........to find out that wierwille preyed on corps girls with an abusive/sexual past.

Within two hours of catcup's new thread post............the phone rang at her house. Apparently, twi's waygb......a few select individuals on twi's payroll......actively monitor this site 24/7 and were stirred into action by catcup's post. Of course, waygb minions do not act on their own initiative......that is not allowed. Therefore, this information had to be shuffled to a 'higher authority'.....and maybe a small conference call at this early hour. Then.....the phone call to the executor of the estate. What does all this mean? 1) Twi continues to take an active interest in GreaseSpot communication. 2) Twi believes that there is credible, and detrimental, information on this site. 3) Twi authorizes certain individuals (waygb) to 'keep watch'......your abs at work. lol 4) Twi believes that mark/avoid individuals continue to "unearth the dead bodies" of its corruption. 5) Twi has plenty of deception/corruption to hide. 6) Twi is still hemoragging. 7) Twi is a cult.

mudflaps.......good points there. And, didn't twi circumvent "the adversary's onslaughts of Y2K" and boast that their preparedness was a key factor in averting it? Well, why wasn't twi's "believing" able to divert this economic tailspin? <_<

Regarding that 37-page paper......... On the GS Radio episode Through the Fog, RD explains the background development and thinking behind this 37-page paper authored by JAL, PL, RD, TR, RB and SP. And, according to RD's account, as they discussed the pertinent details of how to best address the then-current trustees (1987).......he (RD) argued in favor of exposing the whole thing, the spiritual deception, the wierwille-adultery, the grooming of leaders, the abuse to hundreds of women, etc........but JAL lobbied from the point of leaving wierwille's "credibility" intact to help bridge the gap of such divergency. JAL was still on twi payroll in Washington D.C.............and "JAL's lobbying" won out. Further.......this paper was to be "an initial step" towards resolution. And, one of the intended goals was to communicate with the then-current trustees and later......ANOTHER CLERGY MEETING to address these many issues in an open forum. Remember, the November 1986 clergy meeting with geer was complete paranoia......packing "heat" at the podium, implicating the trustees as "off the word," sanitizing wierwille's name and legacy, and speaking in cryptic fragments. NO WONDER several clergy left geer's meeting.............NO WONDER many left twi seeing that geer was a pompous a$$ playing a shell-game of his own. RalphD......wherever you are.......you were/are THE REAL DEAL. In my opinion, YOU were the one that *stood in the gap* for the oppressed and abused, hazarding your life for the *true work* of a ministry, fighting the *wolves* that were snarling and devouring, and laboring with no self-interests or self-promotion towards a splinter group following. No one could have done more. Thanks Ralph.

Dot.......yes, I concur that in 1977 the wind of change was blowing in. Also, vic's brother, harry, died in october 1977 and no longer was the older brother there to rein vic in. The 1978 adv class still had many tapes and testimonies of other men/women's ministries and their walking in God's power and revelation. Then, all things went in-house.......all praise went to twi's "zion"......."the only ones with the truth"......all churches were "of the devil"......"seed boys" were at the top of church hierarchy.......etc. etc. Some claim that martindale was the downfall of twi...........and I disagree. And twi would very much like to re-write history and point to martindale as the fall guy. Under wierwille's founding, formulating, frolicking and floundering, his brand of evil was afoot............and the cold wind was gusting by 1978.

WOG......yes, this quote is from JAL. Quite the list of debauchery and corruption in twi, eh? 1) Doctrinal error 2) Corresponding practical error 3) Terrible abuse 4) Dishonesty towards scriptures 5) Plagairism 6) Rampant sexual sin 7) Forsaking God and His word And, yes...........in context, JAL was pointing towards wierwille and twi's top-tier leadership in this STFI Newsletter. Depending on how one view's "top-tier".......is certainly an operative term here. In public admissions, JAL has admitted to *partaking* while at the emporia campus. Wasn't he the corps coordinator there for like five years? Bunch of hypocrits..!!

When I think of the past 10 years of Waydale and GreaseSpot..........this verse comes to mind: Psa 58:6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD. No, twi wasn't (isn't) the biggest lion around........but it was the one who *stalked into my world* seeking to devour. No, twi wasn't the baddest lion either......but with its pride what would further siring produce? Better to break its teeth while the lion is still young, rather than at full strength. Recently, I've heard that twi is no longer "walking and stalking, or biting and devouring".......the danger has passed. Some say that twi is back to being nice and welcoming again..........or, "soft and purring" (to keep with my analogy). Well, I gotta tell you that having been lashed at several times.......I will continue to remain vigilant for quite awhile longer, thank you very much. My "torch" will continue to stay lit....... My eyes will not be lulled to sleep...... My strength to break its teeth has in no way diminished.... My memory is fixed on those the lion terrorized..... This lion has tasted blood in my village, my friends.... To me, it's quite significant what one high-ranking twi-clergyman stated about wierwille/twi in his June 2008 Newsletter to his splinter group. Although JAL goes on to justify why twi was "such a great movement"......this paragraph, to me, stands as a stone marker at the "entrance of my village" and a testament to remain vigilant of other "lions." Thank God for the imagery of the Scriptures.........to enliven His message. :blink:

Twinky.......don't know if any innies will be responding to your questions anytime soon. In fact, two "innie" couples that I know..........have recently exited twi. Another "innie" couple, who we haven't corresponded with in over 12 years, want to come see us. From what I continue to hear..............the twi teachings are DOGGEDLY SCRIPTED AND PATHETICALLY BORING. Seems like the field followers are getting tired of sending weekly abs stimulus money into a dark hole with no "spiritual stimulating returns" to be had.

After John Lynn said this: Yes, there was more doctrinal error than I ever realized while I was in TWI, and there was corresponding practical error that became more evil than most of us involved ever imagined. Yes, many precious people were terribly abused. Yes, there was dishonesty about Scripture, there was plagiarism, and there was rampant sexual sin, all of which contributed to many people choosing to turn away from God and His Word. ......he confirmed The Way It Was.

((((exie)))) .....reach and touch the sky. take your time, take your turn, skyrider

To mark out territory? BOTH.

Time and time again, many of us equate twi's "success" to the 1967 filming of pfal. We then conclude that, "this filmed class" and the Jesus movement helped to catapult the numbers into the 70s. But.........could it be that the caste system that was developed into the early 70s, via the wow & corps programs, were intrinsically instrumental to the growing numbers than were realized? Much like in karate......getting to the black belt, or the masons, getting to a 33-degree mason......."scaling the mountain" fed into the ego and psyche of the individual? The closer one got to the "alpha male"......the better? <_<

Remember the music group .... BRANDED Remember the "way brand" and it showing up in way magazines and camp gunnison. From 1980 - 1984, wierwille took twi thru that cowboy/country phase. Seems like twi wanted to "brand" us........ to insure ownership. :blink: Dog soldiers (indian savages).....tied to a tethered leash and fight to death, tethered to the "truth." <_<

waysider......the secret code lies in LO SHANTA MALA KASETO, LO SHANTA.

Although many don't equate twi into the broad term Cults.......the inner dynamics of twi and twi splinter groups reveal a pattern of devotion, indoctrination and colony lifestye. The History Channel is running a series on Gangland ...... documenting various gangs and gang involvement, recruitment and activity. Common Characteristics: 1) Code 2) Caste System 3) Initiation 4) Recruitment 5) Representation 6) Secret Terminology 7) Lifetime Allegiance Code twi --- God, pfal and twi gang --- God, mother and gang Caste System twi --- after 1968, programs and involvement like wow, college division, corps, clergy ranked one's status gang --- a pecking order of intimidation and violence Initiation twi --- classes, programs and shunning past gang --- initial beating or sex, then act of allegiance Recruitment twi --- take the class, you're an "empty vessel floating by" without pfal.....then, recruited to more involvement gang --- only in recruitment was one's allegiance verified Representation twi --- bumper stickers, SIT stickers, ROA stickers, way tree logo, way farm/colony living, coming "home" gang --- graffiti, vandalistic insignias, tattoes, the gang was "family" (home) Secret Terminology twi --- each class, each level of indoctrination yielded more "inner" terminology -- more "spiritual maturity" gang --- secret codes.....elitist attitude, a "belonging" and "respect" earned Lifetime Allegiance twi --- after years of indoctrination, wierwille showed his colors......slandering all "COP OUTS." gang --- only way out.......1) jail, 2) hospitalized, or 3) cemetery Could it be that the subtle twi movement was laced with symbols and seductions that subconsciously gave us a sense of belonging, a sense of elitism, a "fix" of empowerment? And, that's why it was so intoxicating to the youth.......those who were spontaneous, without responsibilities, without direction? Also, it embellished that rebel mindset.......against parents, against authority figures, against the world? Could it be........that all of this is far, far deeper than pfal? Could it be........that buttons were pushed that connected with one's inner psyche that distorted the "veneer message" of true christianity towards manipulation and exploitation?

waysider........seems like WhiteDove kept side-stepping your question, but he did state the following on the Eyewitnesses: twi 1976....your stories? thread.....post #56:

Stock-piling MILLIONS..........and for what ?? FOR THEM ......... and their secluded and deluded lifestyles.

With unemployment at 8.1%......and an economy in a tailspin, some are really in need of relief. Of course, twi has socked away MILLIONS in investments, stocks, etc..........so they can ride out this storm for months or years (?) without devastating results. But what about their followers? Will twi send relief to their "brethren" ???........since they claim to operate like the first century church. Or, will twi expect the local areas to pony-up the support......AND keep sending in their ABS ?? And, if so.......how can twi justify sidestepping the applications of 'godliness in action' while still claim to 'hold the truth?' Surely, twi is not going to just tell their people to "Believe God" ............are they????? How will twi spin the following verse? Act 11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea: <_<

How about this euphemism?..............the fog years That euphemism was strategically supplanted to detract and divert our attention.

Sunesis.........thanks.

leafy.......you were one of the smart ones. :) I have often stated that had I left after my first WOW year, and gone back to college........my twi regrets would be minimal, at best. You done good..........and don't think for one second that you missed anything by declining to go into the corps program, even though you were spouse corps. Like your WOW brother..........I, too, saw VP worship in the corps program. Hmmm..........."out in left field"........is that a euphemism?

At times, many of us use euphemisms to give less expressive or direct correlation to a specific person, place, event, situation or period of time. In doing so, one is attempting to soften the reality that existed [exists] or speed the dialogue along to emphasize another point. A euphemism is less offensive, less distasteful. There have been times when I would attach euphemisms and/or analogies to my way-days.........it softened the reality of facilitating the wierwille machinery that churned behind the scenes. But here at GreaseSpot, many posters don't do that. Many posters tell their experiences.........holding no punches. :blink: I have often said........"Nobody pays much attention to tornadoes until it hits YOUR HOME." Then, although you have a sense of deep gratitude that you (and family) have been spared from death.....it still pains you to survey the immense devastation, the loss of value, the loss of personal items/life that can never be replaced. I guess..........in the end, don't all of us HOLD DEAR what we think we had? Don't we tend to value OUR PERSONAL INTEGRITY regardless of twi's wholesale deception? Don't we value the HEARTS TO SERVE regardless of twi's use and abuse? Don't we value the MUSIC and MUSICIANS regardless that it facilitated the wierwille machinery? In the end of the end......none of us want to feel that our labor was in vain, do we? Of course, the "line in the sand" is whether abounding in the work of twi was/is laboring in the Lord. Clearly, the scriptures state that your labor is not in vain in the Lord . Therefore..........."the cold wind of change blew in" when YOU saw it was time to leave twi and could no longer equate the two compatible.....(serving twi/ serving Lord). <_<

I remember hearing that from an old movie..........

On one hand, twi taught us that Jesus Christ fulfilled the law to the uttermost and ushered in the Grace Administration...... and a higher level of love, agape love, a spiritual love that is unconditional. Also, the book of James refers to this as the *royal law of love* ...... to love your neighbor as yourself. Yet, on the other hand, twi didn't approach *adultery* with the same logic......i.e. if one were to live at a higher level because of Jesus Christ's accomplishments, then regarding THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY there would not have even been a "grey issue." Grace was not a license to sin......quite the contrary. One could live at such a level that he/she was rarely tempted with sin/adultery........remember that? On love........we were to live at a higher level On adultery....we could bypass the OT law and live at a lower level

Before exiting this thread..........I want to personally THANK ALL YOU MUSICIANS, who played and sang songs that so liberated my soul. Some of those moments, "transcended me to places on high"......to a spiritual realm of love and peace that is indescribable. Thank you. And Ted...........thanks for all your years of heart-felt service. But with that said, I find myself adopting much of the same viewpoints that DontWorry has so aptly stated here at GS time and time again. Clearly, he saw those early years MUCH BETTER THAN I......and yet, was able to take off those rose-colored glasses and dismantle the corruption in twi. On the "ordination thread" he shared this about his introduction into twi via his hippie musician friends: Peace to all.