skyrider

Laurie Greene married Charlie Martin and around 1994 they moved to Indiana. Check your private message.

My point? I thought this was a DISCUSSION FORUM. :)

I want to thank you Oldiesman........thanks for reminding me that wierwille's pfal class was a mixed bag of scriptures and "law of believing" poppycock. You danced and side-stepped my one little question. Obviously, you didn't want to broach the topic of that pfal page entitled "The Believer's Enemy -- Fear." For one who is SO QUICK to defend wierwille............you were at a loss of words to defend it. Your silence spoke volumes, indeed. More evidence that the pfal class had alot of holes. But........if you read this, and feel so inclined to "defend" that pfal stuff wherein "The Believer's Enemy -- Fear" is actually backed up by scripture, chapter and verse, I'd like to hear it. Kinda surprising to see you at such a loss for words........on something, presumeably, so simple.

8) Then....EACH is UNIQUE. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (Rom 8:14) To follow any "pied piper" listlessly.............is to be led astray. <_<

Chapter and verse?

Your PFAL page.....top of page was "The Believer's Enemy -- Fear"

Isn't it obvious?

This is a simple question. According to your post above (and quoted below)........the pfal page was "The Believer's Enemy -- Fear" Where is this in the scripture? Chapter and verse please.

Oldies.........when you get to this, I'd like to hear your answer. Thanks.

Is English your second language...?? I heard wierwille say "You can't go beyond what you're taught"....in corps meetings, campfire fellowships, etc.

From what I heard, JR didn't *rubber stamp* rosalie's decisions all the time. Remember, there was a period of time.......May 2000 - Aug 2004......when 4 or 5 region guys left twi. In fact, 3 of twi's former TRUNK COORDINATORS walked away from twi's payroll.......L@llys, P@narellos, and F0rts. Yes, even Howard Allen's son-in-law wanted to get a secular job (distancing himself....???.....but still "an innie"). Perhaps, JR spoke his mind to rosalie in the midst of these flurry of escapees????

Sheeeesh............first of all, wierwille's life extended BEYOND the pfal filming, no? Secondly, some of us corps heard the guy in MANY DIFFERENT SETTINGS.......corps meetings, campfires, after-meetings, staff meetings, etc.......state the above quote. Your implication of contextomy does not apply. Thirdly, like cman stated above..........Gal. 1:11,12 was always side-stepped. Why? It directed the *teaching......ie revelation* came by Jesus Christ. Fourthly, this thread is NOT about pfal. This thread is about what wierwille SAID....(refer back to point #2) <_<

Another thing....... Oldies,......where in the scriptures does it say "The Believer's Enemy -- Fear".........???? A quick search show lots of scriptures pointing to the believer's enemy......satan, devil, death, etc. And, please quote chapter and verse...........not some Job 3:25 side-note. See examples below: Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Act 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? 1Cr 15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.

"We are today what we are and where we are because of our believing. We will be tomorrow what and where our believing takes us. No one rises beyond what he believes and no one believes beyond what he is taught. I Corinthians 12:2." So, Oldies.........it doesn't really matter what wierwille said over and over again.....it's the "sterilized version from pfal" that's WHAT COUNTS. <_<

Not wanting to derail that other thread.......... For vpw........or anyone wanting to stand at the top of a class-based ministry....the statement, "You can't go beyond what you're taught" is SO CONVEEEENIENT. Pick a verse and laud it to the skies (like Philip and the eunuch).....and you're off to the races. To dissect this statement, lots of things come to mind: 1) What is the emphasis of the word "taught?" 2) What about all that you experience? Parental upbringing? Observations? 3) Why did the Apostle Paul go to Arabia after his conversion on the road to Damascus? 4) Why did Paul then go to Damascus and NOT to Jerusalem until some three years later? 5) Who does the teaching? Can holy spirit within receive teaching NOT from man? 6) Why does it seem that this pfal statement slighted "holy spirit teaches you" and elevates man's teaching? 7) Surely there are plenty of verses one COULD HAVE TAUGHT that emphasize the holy spirit teaches you, no? <_<

Just to clarify abit...........when Don came to Emporia, he did not have a PhD degree. When twi acquired the College of Emporia, twi worked towards transferring that accreditation to The Way College of Emporia. As active Dean of twi's "college".......Don was utilizing the block system and work/study program as his thesis paper. Here is what My3Cents posted on the Ordination According to twi thread.

WayGB........WayGhostBusters

Twinky.......I respected J0hn too, but could easily see that he was one of lcm's biggest cheerleaders. Then, when brought on board the "trustees" in 1998.......and being summoned to the OSC bookstore breakroom when P@ul All3n confronted martindale and demanded his resignation.....J0hn sealed his fate, imo, by standing firmly in martindale's corner. Besides.........at age 65 (?), J0hn probably has no desire to leave twi staff and its payroll. Imagine what his resume would look like to any future employers...????? <_<

Who is watching the waygb? :blink:

Well........36 years of cult-indoctrination and "devil spirit infiltration" propaganda could screw with one's head, no? Heck, look what only 16 years (1970-1986) did to cgeer's brain when he took his gun to that November 1986 clergy meeting...... having been totally immersed in wierwille's paranoia world as bodyguard. On the other hand, even IF those three guys......L1nder, Fr3dr3ck, and R3ynolds......don't believe that this GS site is filled with pozzezzed posters and laying-in-wait pozzezzed lurkers, imagine how much leverage it gives them in twi? How could twi's directors fire them? And, what if one of these guys is secretly recording and detailing ALL THIS INFORMATION ON GS AND TWI CLOSED MEETINGS TO SOMEDAY WRITE A BOOK? Maybe, in twi's little world of paranoia..........the directors are suspicious of the waygb? Do they know too much? Are they keeping a log of all directors' dirty little secrets? Black mail? Book deal? Raw deal? One could say that that the waygb are holding all the aces. Knowledge is power.......and knowledge of little dirty secrets is absolute power !

If I were to speculate on the *characters who monitor this site*...... 1) Mr. L1nder.......head security guy, who knows all the little dirty secrets. Reportedly, he stood next to martindale in that June 1998 advanced class confrontation when the corps guy found out that martindale was sleeping with his wife. Also, it seems to be nearly the same scenario in Feb 1999 (lcm and married woman, F3rn All3n) when P@ul All3n blasted martindale and demanded his resignation.....L1nder was there brandishing his gun. 2) Mr. Fr3dr1ck.......twi legal guy, although he's not an attorney. He helps "clean up messes" and probably knows about as much as his 8th corps buddy, L1nder. Another thing........"legal guy" and Moneyhands are good friends and both married into family wealth. 3) Mr. R3ynolds........an oklahoma guy and did a short term assignment as trustee (until rosalie got agitated with him). He and rosalie were summoned to that confrontation meeting when P@ul All3n learned that martindale was "doing" his wife. 4) Mr. Moneyhands.......I tend to think that he keeps tabs with GS, but that's only speculation. 5) Others (region types?) may visit GS......but I speculate that the first three do the reporting. Disclaimer: I have no solid proof of any of this, but since these 3 were ALREADY INVOLVED according to reports given, it stands to reason that they are part of the WayGB that keep "the bodies buried."

Just like a mall needs a Blart: Mall Cop........ Twi seems to need a Spook: Greasespot Spy. :blink:

JeffSjo...........like so many things, I believe that the waygb has evolved from its initial mission 10 years ago. When P@ul All3n started up Waydale..........the martindale lawsuit was on the horizon and damage control was twi's top priority. Not only martindale, but rivenbark was deposed and stated that she knew of martindale's sexual predation since 1995. Also, there were hundreds of corps tired of the legalism, abuse and spiritual beratings day after day. Another exodus was in the making......of which, 4 or 5 region cooordinator couples exited as well. Waygb was in HIGH GEAR......to squelch the waydale information, to stop the informants, the posters. Those turbulent years, 1999-2003, gave rise to thousands of twi followers to exit their doors. Heck, even the Pan@rell0s --- the supreme trunk supporters for martindale after the infamous "fog years" -- abandoned twi's side. Today??...........imo, the waygb utilize this site daily as a "spiritual cnn network." They find out SO MUCH FROM OUR POSTINGS......that make them appear 'spiritually in-tune' and all. Besides, those security guys....i.e. L1nder....have very little else to do throughout the night while they patrol wierwille road and eat cold pizza......do they?

Hey, WayGB............tell Rosalie that her 'prez skills' are not working. Two long-standing couples have recently left twi claiming that it's spiritually dead.....and were SO TIRED OF TWI CENSORSHIP. One couple has been around since like 1972..............37 years of twi involvement !! And, I've heard that others are questioning "the benefit of twi involvement" as well. Just so you know, waygb...........those "walls of zion" are imprisoning the inhabitants. The freedom in OUT HERE.....and the open forums are OUT HERE........and the fresh air is OUT HERE. For those who've been institutionalized, they might fear this kind of freedom at first.......but I can guarantee that it's WAY BETTER than in "lyin zion."