skyrider

I couldn't agree more. There is nothing quite like that COLD SPLASH OF REALITY......where "twi's brothers and sisters in Christ" have no loyalty, no love, no ties to one another when twi hierarchy mandate ostracizing an independent or dissenting point of view. Overnight, this cult-household marches to the orders of their "command center and sole sustainer of their identity"......and the mark/avoid mandate is enforced. For many who are/were deeply entrenched in twi's world (staff, corps)......their support system is mostly thread-bare. After years of shunning one's family and education/careers decisions, those relationships and networks of support are strained to offer any help or assistance at this juncture in life. Overnight, the phones stop ringing and an avalanche of questions and decisions need to be addressed. What was real? Where does reality separate from twi's deception? If one's experiences were based on a pseudo-love, then what about twi itself? Is this why others exited twi YEARS AGO? The emotions, and answers, come in waves......and Greasespot helps one to surf these waves.

Making a case for twi's "proven ministry research"........is like focusing on the table ediquette of a Jeffrey Dahmer.

Yeah.....many of us know the confrontation that erupts before exiting twi. Wierwille had his yes-men and slanderous remarks of "cop outs" to drive out dissent and martindale escalated it to homo purges, debt purges, destructive and non-productive purges, mark & avoid letters, character assassinations and gun-strapped bodyguards to initiated "the bum's rush".......one, who entitles this thread. Ten years ago.......P@ul All3n started the website Waydale as a result of twi's "mishandling people" (a gross understatement) and he certainly didn't go silently. On the contrary, he trumpeted the march of thousands who've felt the heavy hand of twi's leadership......with his tip of the spear being a lawsuit aimed at martindale's sexual predation on all3n's wife. No silent retreat.........but a frontal assault!!! Waydale was awesome as current and damaging information was posted day after day. With a lawsuit pending, depositions being gathered, another lawsuit surfaced, six region coordinators resigned, limb coordinators exiting, twi's lawyers advised martindale to be ousted, etc etc.......hot topics were surfacing on a daily basis. Lawsuit was won, waydale was closed......and the doors to GreaseSpot Cafe opened. With more and more disgruntled people leaving twi, there is bound to be more stories and postings in the upcoming months. Stay tuned.........and twi? Stay afraid.

Thanks Oldskool for posting your observations and insight. Twi cannot out-run the internet.....nor its past sins. The accumulative effect of twi's deception and manipulation and exploitation have permanently damaged its credibility.....an ongoing status that still, to this day, resides there. Clearly, its a shell of its former self. Even if twi sits on their $48 million portfolio of investments/property.......so what? The scam is up. Greasespot Cafe is open 24/7 worldwide for all to see twi's hypocrisy and deceptive practices. Maybe the camera angles will have to be tightened up at the auditorium so the emptiness will not be as visible....but their reputation is an ongoing stench. Watching twi's demise is like seeing a train wreck in slow motion......covering wierwille's sins, his cancerous death, geer's power-grab, martindale's call for allegience, homo purge, debt "research," all-corps-on-payroll-revelation, revelation fulfilled, martindale predation and ouster, rivenbark favoritism towards Donna, debt/no mortgage hoopla, mrs. w's final days, etc. So.........those of us who invested much of our lives in twi are NOT surprised at all. And, when Lind3r......twi's "gatekeeper of secrets" is moonlighting and looking beyond twi's horizons, I think that its safe to say that Rosalie F. Rivenbark has ended her tenure with a mighty THUD. <_<

From this hq-staff disclosure........IT'S WORSE THAN I THOUGHT. When staff are moonlighting as a rent-a-cop or wal-mart greeter, it drastically undermines the cult-zion mindset and takes the cutting edge off their rhetoric of "prevailing" or "abundance." The ship is sinking, the ship is sinking ... and yet, some staffers still have a hard time finding a lifeboat (hahahaha). Give it another 10 years.....and hq will be a retirement center. Just section off half the warehouse for a swimming pool and exercise area.

WOW.......guess I've been gone a long time now. Back whenever, moonlighting was strictly forbidden. In fact, during the late 70s......a staffer couldn't even sell their chicken eggs on the side. Wierwille proudly boasted that all staffers lived on a "need basis"....and twi met that need. So........once a staffer puts in their time at twi, like Lind3r, he can go be a part-time cop or a real estate guy headed to an appointment? And, this fulfills his "spiritual duty" as a staffer?? If he's got that much time on his hands.....WHAT ABOUT WITNESSING? WHAT ABOUT RUNNING CLASSES? Back in the day......staffers were supposedly committed to serving at hq above and beyond the call of duty to move the word (blah, blah). No time for witnessing. No need to moonlight. So.....why should a field person keep on the drumbeat of classes? witnessing? twig coord meetings? Why pour their hard-earned money into twi's coffers? The field innies have EVERY REASON to work extra hours, secure a second job (if they like) skip witnessing branch nights, etc......right? I know that I'm using some logic here, so it might not be effective in asking these questions. Oh well......

Oh, yeah.......they know: 1) Many corps worked their interim year at hq......$75 a month (w/ room & board). 2) The "no future in it" of working at twi..............is the dirty little secret revealed. 3) Rosalie's micro-management of minions................is a fate worse than death. 4) The hypocrisy at twi's hq is so thick.........it oozes thru the walls. 5) Twi's "call to service".........is a call to slave labor and the corps know it all too well. 6) With the mis-handling of Mrs. Wierwille's final days.........even the corps took notice! 7) Retirement? When Dorothy and Rhoda are held up as examples?.....and working in their 80s? 8) Even a broken clock is right twice a day........even corps are right to avoid this broken system.

What some call "pointless".......wierwille called spurt-ual. Heck, even scrubbing toilets with the love of God helps "word over the whole freakin world" doncha know? When the grass (at hq) is perfectly manicured and all of martindale's clothes were meticulously catalogued in his closet.....the devil spirit kindom had no place to infiltrate. The staff experience is one of striving to perfect the flesh while parroting the massive rhetoric. Is donna still the department coordinator over the bucket brigade and toilet scrubbers?

So.....even twi-innies do NOT believe that there is a spiritual compensation for working at hq. WOWsers!! This has got to be a new low for twi and rosalie's micro-management.....to stiff-arm the inside propaganda to work at the "spiritual epicenter of twi." Seems that the highly prized staff wood-grained nametag is, now, a turd-brown

From where I sit......the "next generation" is, mostly, not buying into the wierwille/cult hype. Sure, there will be a few (8-10% ??) who might be swayed, but from my corner of the world.....I don't see it. Heck, even the offshoot leaders' kids do NOT want it......CFF, CES, others?? Now granted, I have no idea about the many offshoots all over the country.....60 offshoots ??.....but have heard snippets of some. And, didn't that SOWERS-program amount to 4 graduates .......??? At that rate, it's gonna take awhile to get "word over Ethel, Mississippi".....population 451. <_<

TWI has chosen the pfal insurgence to bookmark its moment in history. Yet, they choose to ignore the national surge of the Jesus movement, the anti-establishment/anti-church sentiment, the "freedom from sin and sexual expression" in CFS classes, a self-righteousness with no boundaries approach, etc. Is there any wonder why twi doesn't want to turn the page to the chapters that follow??........chapters of disarray, disgust, and disavowal. Frozen in time.........idols in the Old Testament represented moments "frozen in time." The idols of stone.......all praise to pfal and "father of it." Is wierwille's statue still at twi??? <_<

penworks.....thankfully, my kids just missed the "wierwille-walks-the-earth-hype-mantra" and all. And, even though they attended 10 roa, pfal, int, meetings, etc.......my kids never even mention the twi-daze, let alone mr. wierwille. With active school involvement and higher education, they are far too busy to be wallowing in some cult cesspool. I know lots in the next generation who've done the same.....no revered wierwille, no thanks. Obviously, much of this can be contributed to the parents and all. Those on staff or embedded corps might have more situations to dismantle.....especially those kids who were exposed to the advanced class. Thankfully, mine just missed that cut off point of "commitment." Praise the Lord. :)

Sangat has been independently active in India for decades. Yes, he came and taught at CFF.....but I wouldn't classify him as "affiliated with CFF." He's his own man......like a Peter W@de.

Yeah......."go on staff" and scrubbing their toilets. The dirty little secret is........the cult caste system is so entrenched, one finds all aspects of life dictated to him at work AND at "home" (dorm-style or trailer park living). Weekends are non-essential as the new staffer is given duties to volunteer, or set-up, or usher. Around every corner is big-brother... critiquing, listening, gauging performance, etc. What's more.....the desk jobs and supervisor jobs are ALL taken and have been for decades. The bottom tier of new staffers would be comparable to seasonal UPS workers.....loading/unloading during the graveyard shift. Is there any wonder why twi is having trouble marketing this bottom-feeder position? It's the bottom rung out of a sewer drainage system. <_<

Yeah.....twi is laying a snare of DEPENDENCY. When the "serious bible student" heads along the twi-path riddled with bread crumbs.....would a serious bible student leave the "zion of biblical research" and set out on his own? The lords of wierwille-cultism will be sure to provide a gauntlet of hardship, intimidation, and threats of excommunication and possession to those wanting OUT. A spiritual "Hotel California".....the song's message is never out of date.

Exclusive and Elitist.......from the get-go Tower of Babel comes to mind.

Coming clean..?? Twi..?? Rosalie took the reins nearly 10 years ago in Apr/May 2000 when Martindale publically announced "his one-time affair" and stepped down from the big chair. Soon, he wanted to be Chief Research Geek......but was ousted by the lawyers a few months later. Nearly 10 years of damage control....10 years of pfal-resurrection reruns.....10 years of phasing down martindale and gearing up "we taught you the word" tapes. The mark/avoid doctrine still lives, just not openly. The "kinder, gentler" ministry is a stealth approach to the same old trough. The boring, sterile, script-read teachings stand as an ongoing testament to twi's deadness. Even if one were to argue that twi is changing it's cultish demeanor, it would be safe to say that, at best, its adopted a petrified, denominational stance of pfal-perpetuity. Inside the hq-compound, its business as usual. Money sent in......very little seeps out. The tithe doth prosper......them.

They might want to play down any type of "theme cruise".......i.e. cult themes or ex-cult themes. In the news today.....

The chickens have come home to roost.....ie the bad policies, the legalism, the elitism, bad research ethics, sexual predation, bullying practices, etc....HAVE COME HOME. Call it "what you reap, you sow".....call it karma, or whatever....it happens. Whether in wierwille's twi, or ces, or the cgeer franchise.....it seems to take about 15 years before the followers catch on to the fool-erers. As wierwille ratcheted up his movement in 1969 with program after program, by 1982/83 it was unraveling. The wierwille cult is little more than a retirement center (hq) and anemic pockets of support for books/teaching tapes. With CES.....dangerous treks into a momentus canyon, personal prophecies where nose-spiders consume human brains, and threats of lawsuits.....the power-grabs seem so twi-like, don't they? And then, there's the geer franchise where food-chain operators wanted to distance themselves from the franchise brand and franchise bills. Wierwille was too narcisstic to change and alter his course. He bullied his way through countless situations in his past and couldn't find humility to listen to others. Even when corps were exiting in the latter 70s......wierwille's feathers weren't ruffled. Even when bodyguards and/or pilots flew the coop...wierwille remained undaunted. Imo....it wasn't wierwille's death nor cgeer's poop paper that initiated the exodus, it was the assimilation of discrepancies, hypocrisy, doesn't-pass-the-smell-test, etc. No longer were these ADULTS going to follow in lock-step another leader, namely Martindale. The push-back was stiffening and it was only a matter of time. Wierwille's health problems, and the subsequent cancer-death lies only solidified the growing disdain of being fleeced as fools. The chickens were coming home to roost......and the problems mounted exponentially from there. One generation........is about all it takes for people to wake up and see the hypocrisy, the scam. One generation........and the loyalty fades away. Most kids have no interest in following. The wise man builds his house upon a rock.........and the house on the rock stands firm. The foolish man builds his house upon the sand.....and it all comes tumbling down.

Twi's corps training indoctrination had little to do with "It Is Written"......far too often, the corps program utilized selective verses and teachings to drive their agendas. A regimented, lock-step mentality was incorporated that trumped all teachings of Christ-in uniqueness and individuality. The "members in particular in the One Body" was a relative non-issue.....the operation of the "revelation and power manifestations" were of less concern than my two years as a WOW Ambassador......the mog-idolary was promoted heavily by the corps coordinators on campus. The corps motto may have been "It Is Written"......but the reality? "It Is Wierwille"

T-Bone.....I agree. Wierwille latched onto "scriptural triggers" that he could use to mold his self-serving agendas such as Romans 12:2......"Be ye TRANSFORMED (yada, yada, yada)..." And, who better to lord over this transformation, to be acceptable......than wierwille??? Having moved away from the church-style setup, wierwille experimented with program after program in his narcisstic laboratory of interests. The WOW program, Fellow-Laborers, the College WOWs, Medical WOWs, the WOW Vet Program to 12 Cities, the Way Corps, the LEAD program.....all were to "transform" the individual, right? In hindsight, it's apparent that NONE of wierwille's classes, seminars or programs were original. He copied and tweaked "his" classes and programs from multiple sources through the decades. Heck, even the "original radio broadcast program in 1942" was a copycat of another radio program that wierwille listened to each week. Men like JE Stiles, Oral Roberts, BG Leonard and others......gave a desperate wierwille inroads to lording over youthful transformations. And, the corps indoctrination was the pinnacle of transformation, BECAUSE OF ITS ISOLATION. Removed for months on end from family, friends, newspapers.....all information was filtered through vpw-leadership that monitored all aspects of "spiritual transformation." Into the abyss of isolationism and cult control, wierwille masked his sexual predation all to no avail via the internet.

The corps program was not a leadership program.........it was a followship program. Wierwille designed the way corps to follow orders, to promote pfal, to run classes PERIOD. Even after corps graduation, wierwille brought these corps grads -- limb/region leaders -- BACK TO HQ FOR MORE TRAINING INDOCTRINATION. This move accomplished two things: 1) it gutted them from any growing allegiance/following in their respective states and 2) wierwille wanted them to know that "he was still in charge"....ie they were to follow him or else! Yet, I've long contested that many corps grads were bolting as early as 1978/79. The wierwille illusion was wearing thin, the mog-hype was unraveling, the corps program had become a doulos-slave camp. To stop the hemorraging of corps grads.....bullying and name-calling mounted on corps nights. Mandatory meetings and mandatory corps week attendance might have slowed the hemorraging....but it only, especially in hindsight, highlighted the obvious: wierwille was NOT who we thought he was. Yes, many corps grads want martindale to be the fall guy for twi, but in truth.....it was wierwille. He baked the loaf with leaven......the absent Christ teachings, the "law of believing," the man of God of the universe allegiance, the elitist attitude, the household of zion, the truth like it hasn't been known since the first century, the new dynamic church cult, etc. etc. When corps/clergy stopped following wierwille they were history....striken from twi listings, twi history, twi bookstores. Huh? Wasn't this about being Christ-like? Wasn't this about following scriptures? NOPE. This was about wierwille. This was about wierwille's legacy. This was about wierwille's cult. The corps program WAS the leaven in the way ministry.....it accelerated the elistist and antagonistic fermentation in the whole loaf. It puffed up twi AGAINST the knowledge of God. Wierwille's corps, for the most part, BECAME the image of wierwille. <_<

Wierwille had a PT Barnum approach.....always trying to be "the greatest show on earth." He knew how to strike a balance in public appearances and absent mystique. Of course, at age 55 in 1972....wierwille's attempts no longer worked on the Ohio farmers, but the youth were mesmerized. And, his chain-smoking, drambuie-sipping, rebellion-spouting, church-demeaning, sex-talking, communal-living, spontaneous-living, swagger was appealing to us young rebels.

Yeah.....lots of little $hytazzes throughout my twi/corps tenure when it came to the organizational side of things. Only good-hearted people sweetened the moments and memories. But twi????.....nope, don't miss it one bit. When I was a WOW.....some $hytazzes were WOW vets. When I was a WOW vet.....some $hytazzes were corps. When I was inresidence corps....some $hytazzes were corps grads. When I was a corps grad.........some $hytazzes were clergy. When I was twi clergy...........some $hytazzes were limb coordinators. When I was a limb coord.........some $hytazzes were region or trunk guys. When I was at large twi events.....some $hytazzes had trustee titles. UNLESS YOU WERE THE LEAD DOG......lock-step following is a $hytazz view of life.

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