skyrider

Unlike twi's headquarters in Ohio, the disintegration of twi can NOT be hidden from view in state after state, branch meeting after branch meeting. With each passing year, twi's "prevailing word" is retreating to the confines of rhetoric theatre. Some states have NO twi presence, NO limb coordinators. If the disintegration increases at hq......they might as well tape the sunday sleeping services in the brc multi-purpose building again and lease the auditorium for community events.

Craig boasted that he could run a Fortune 500 company. THAT never happened. And, Rosalie hides in her office at twi determined to NEVER leave twi. Her behind-the-scenes approach is low risk, low investment, low exposure. With the slow crawl there, she can possibly stay the prez for another 10 years.....into her 80s.

A "sexual cult"........"you arrive as an intern and stay for life"..... Does any of this sound familiar....???? My link

The Decade of Pre-Fail"......... Or, the Decade of Riven-BITE.....she may not bark like martindale, but she sure knows how to bite.

What about her ordination? When the officiating clergy "prophecied" that she had a ministry that would HEAL people....or something to that effect. Is there a ministry of micro-managing for someone will a longsuit in that area?

Nearly ten years ago, martindale was edging towards his "public confession" and twi-lawyer ousting as the second president of twi. As some speculated and posted......Rosalie and Donna envisioned craig's demise and, rightly, anticipated that his sexual predation would be his downfall. If that is true......then Rosalie and Donna wanted to be at the helm. They wanted to push and pull the top levels of power at twi. Clearly, Donna was absolved from any wrong-doing (contrary to all preceding policies....ie Ananias and Sapphira....that joined guilt to BOTH husband and wife) by friend and accomplice, Rosalie. Okay........so they got "the power." Now what? Ten years of micro-management? Ten years of secret shopping sprees? Ten years of "best friends forever?" By all accounts.......twi is bleeding profusely. State and local fellowships are shrinking/consolidating and the economy is likely to increase the hemmorhaging. Class outreach is dismal. Inresidence corps participation is abysmal. Twi is struggling to inspire and hire others to fill staff positions long regarded as a privileged prize. So, Rosalie........what's the plan? Some say that you've enshired wierwille "in all his glory" to remind twi's followers of its identity. And, you've scripted the Sunday Teaching Services to keep all in lockstep with your rhetoric and policies. And, you've had to cut some slack on staff hours, policies and nannystate-control heeding lawyer advice. And, even though you HATE it.....you keep that sweet southern smile. Besides, there's always shopping in Chicago or wherever.....to surmount the mundane realities of wayworld. Like any politician or cult-leader.....you could probably hold "the gavel" for another ten years, right? I mean, heck....you've clawed and scaped your way to "the top" and why give it up now? Sure, John Rvpp is chomping at the bit to be the next prez, but he can wait his turn. You did. Besides.......look at all you've done these last ten years! <_<

The chains of religion.....the circle of life. Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing? Where have all the young girls gone, long time passing? Where have all the young men gone, long time ago? Where have all the soldiers gone, long time ago? Where have all the graveyards gone, long time passing? Where have all the flowers gone, long time ago? When will THEY ever learn?

Many of wierwille's contemporaries had staked their claims to hearing the infallible voice of God in one form or another. Hearing directly from God, to substantiate a promise and purpose, put one's ministry in an elite category. Who could refute it? Another plaigarism ploy? What else?

BUMP...... With all the snow, this thread needs revisiting.

In all seriousness..... 1) The "V2P2 corps program" had 4 graduates. 2) After this 9-month program.....what next? 3) Are those 4 graduates moving to the next level? 4) What are the sign-ups for the second year? Imo.....I just don't see this thing ever getting off the ground. Think about it.....only 4 grads. And, with six or seven staff people with 16-hour day oversight? How much of the work was to basically sustain their own needs? And, what kind of salary would anyone have received from this? To me, overhead costs and "salary" costs and location logistics would eat away at any future momentum or success. I'd be interested to hear if it goes anywhere in the next two or three years.

Imo.....wierwille spent his whole life trying to run AHEAD OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY. When he car-jacked Leonard's class, The Gifts of the Holy Spirit, and taught it as his own.....he knew it was wrong. With shrewd cunning, wierwille sidestepped acknowledging or crediting Leonard for his work. Anyone with a doctorate degree (cough, cough) knows that you can't steal another man's life's work. When wierwille engrafted the ministry works of Do0p and Hefn3r.......same deal. All the sterilized re-writing of history will NOT scrub wierwille's tarnished image nor separate his mentoring from the likes of G33r, Martindale, Lynn or F(nnegan. Even death kept wierwille just steps ahead of the accountability that he'd eluded his whole life. And, men like Howard and Don eulogized his work to help remove any and all fingerprints of evil. Yet, in a strange twist of fate.....wierwille's cancerous death exposed a glaring crack in his advanced class teachings. To uphold accountability of his own teachings, wierwille died a possessed man. Will the cult-amway nonsense ever stop?

When things go awry, when egos no longer are held in check, when abuses come to the forefront and leaking out to the general public......it's time to rebrand the name or start a new splinter group. Seems that the John L_nn "brand".......1) CES, 2) STI, 3) LTF and a rah, rah, rah. Hard to follow the bread crumbs back to twi....or momentus in CES....or personal prophecy, nose spiders and division in STI. Off and running with another brand.....all he needs is weekly support (abs) and an RV. But really.....when ya think about it, could this also be what Chris G33r did? When that adultery paper was placed on Walter C's desk and implications strongly pointed back to wierwille and a systematic error of sexual predation in twi doctrine......was this "new research" handled in the light of day? And, with G33r the president de facto held the responsibility before twi....why did he threaten to fire anyone who read this paper? Was G33r trying to stay AHEAD OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY........that was soon to follow? The ship was starting to take on water and it was time to bail. Growing dissent and mutiny was in the air. Any "captain" worth his salt could see what was happening. And, then there are those splinter group leaders who sidestep any mention of their twi history. Their websites and academia listings are scrubbed clean of THE WAY INTERNATIONAL brand. Clearly, the six region coordinators who slipped away into the shadows SHORTLY AFTER martindale's public confessions in 2000 knew the sh1t storm that was to follow. How convenient....to slink away, then! The structural set-up of these home-based fellowships, with a "headquarters" or home-office hundreds and hundreds of miles away.....makes it quite easy to stay AHEAD OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see wierwille's structural set-up run its course for many decades to follow. Heck, maybe soon.......even The Way International will choose to change its brand name? :unsure:

To me, one of the most irksome "microphone-mongering" was.......the LUNCHTIME microphone. Whether on staff or inresidence, the big-shot couldn't keep his pie-hole SHUT. Why couldn't I eat my foot and visit with those at my table WITHOUT YOU GASBAGS SPOUTING YOUR OPINIONS AND BIASES ON EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN? The tirades of blasting some little staffer for a little blunder were the worst. Why did I have to hear all that crap? Manipulation? Fear? For my learning?......yeah, right. In the early 80s, Johnny T0wns3nd was in charge of the inrez corps at hq and thought that all corps grads should meet together AFTER the Sunday Night Teaching. So.....we'd meet in the BRC around 8 pm and once Johnny started rambling, it would be 10:30 or 11pm before it was over. Well, it didn't take long before the corps grads quit going. Johnny never did figure out why the drastic drop off occurred. The guy just didn't have a clue. Maybe, the microphone mesmerizes the speaker into thinking he's some "great one"......??? Oh, the memories.........uuuuughh.

Yes, I would agree that the paranoia....after 1981....was more directed towards a disgruntled follower or, possibly, an angry husband who uncovered twi's sexual predation. Remember, at the 1986 November Clergy Meeting at HQ......Cgeer went to the podium packing heat! Standing before twi's clergy household, Cgeer believed that he NEEDED A GUN to protect himself. Imagine the level of paranoia that existed for him to have succombed to this point!?!? And, of course......the documentation on Waydale of P@ul All3n's encounter when he demanded to meet with Craig Martindale and the trustees. In meeting in martindale's office at the corps chalet with R3ynolds and Rivenbark, martindale's bodyguard Lind3r stood to the side brandishing his glock 9mm. Anyone who spent any time around twi's security personnel or receptionist desk know the security measures, the coded language, the lockbox information, the radio transmissions, etc. that escalated this paranoia in the secret world of the MOGs. I got several glimpses of it through the years.

In speaking on the "fringe element" at twi......a little bit of history is in order. Back in 1975-79, wierwille and co. were purporting paranoia and conspiracy theories involving our federal government. From the wierwille camp and corps coordinator podiums, the way corps HAD to devise a secret location in the event that the "Red Dawn" happened (government overthrow, foreign or domestic). All MAL-paks (more abundant living backpacks) were cross-checked by twi leadership to have all supplies necessary. While inresidence, I remember two "Red Alerts" to guage the response and readiness of the corps. We were to meet in top floor Wierwille Library in ten minutes for briefing of "the emergency." At times, there were hush-hush instructions given to others on a "need to know" basis. To the corps, wierwille publically stated that if cult hysteria continued to build, the corps would be the first to be hunted down by the FBI and government authorities. And, anyone who spent any time around any of wierwille's bodyguards got a heavy dose of paranoia and government distrust. Add to this, the mandatory assigning of 4-hour "bless patrol" to the corps, the red-alerts, the regimentation of following commands, the "us versus them" teachings and training, and lockbox teaching all feed these fringes. One of the family corps guys, FC-7......was a military veteran and munitions specialist. At the rock of ages events, we were assigned near each other through the years. In 1982, one of his roa duties was to crawl under the main stage daily and inspect it for bombs or other threats.....wierwille personally gave him this assignment. The corps indoctrination immersed many of us into this paranoid/suspicious mindset.

And......maybe that's why there were only OLD people supporting wierwille in the early 70s....ie "pillars" on staff and a few couples who traveled for Sunday BRC services. In other words, WHERE WERE ALL THOSE FOLLOWERS IN VPW'S EARLIER PFAL CLASSES???? In hindsight, it's obvious that people through the years had been bailing on wierwille. Where were the "excited people" of these classes??.....ie Dr. EE Higg1ns, Rosalind R1nker, Peter W@de (although he was a bit younger)??? Did these people see wierwille's cult as STIFLING CONTROL??? And now......today, the same thing. There is a gaping hole of people in their 30s and 40s. Only the "older generation" has staked out the positions on staff and support it. Could it be that many (most) see that the structure is more a conduit for cult activity.......and not a legitimate "church?"

Watching the beginning stages of JAL's new ministry......makes me wonder if this was the same mindset as veepee had? I need this, I need that......I need an RV. Heck, even when vic moved his operation to the wierwille homestead wasn't he looking for a "quick fix" to get him up and running? And, surely he knew that his brother Harry would throw some cash and support his way. Just like vic's self-promotion and huge ego, JAL is a ditto dud.

To clarify, "twi's microphone".......metaphorically speaking, is their incessant cult-speak propaganda via teachings, tapes, way mags, public releases, and website that perpetuates this biblical re-search of wierwille's work. Dependency is the name of the shell game.

The one who holds onto the microphone........pounds home the propaganda. The one who holds onto the microphone........frames the debate and outcome. The one who holds onto the microphone........often condescends to the masses. The one who holds onto the microphone........knows the power of controlling speech. In reading the thread regarding John Lynn's new ministry.....my thoughts went into TWI REWIND. The condescending approach........"I am the teacher" and "you are the perpetual student." As long as I (JAL) keep speaking the truth in love........YOU WILL GROW. Twi was/is like this......never acknowledging (or allowing) their followers to grow up. Why? Clearly, its a positioning of lording over their people. In this DEPENDENT STATE.....the follower needs twi, needs the weekly teachings, needs to abs to keep the devil from infiltrating his life, needs the lofty wisdom from twi's elders to make daily decisions. Like twi, JAL sets the premise of his "new ministry" in Ephesians 4:15 -- But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ. So, there you have it. See! When you follow the one "speaking the truth".....you grow up. If you don't......you won't. I wonder if the previous verse ....."the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive"......has anything to do with all this??? Imo......one of the great "teachable points" of twi was MEN LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. They want to keep you in a dependency state......for the rest of your days. They want to keep you in a dependency state......it helps them pay the "gym and treadmill fees." They want to keep you in a dependency state......it legitimizes their base of power and control. They want to keep you in a dependency state......the adulation and idolization fuels their system. To get ahold of twi's microphone......one will have to pry it from their cold, dead hand. <_<

With L3nder and others moonlighting...... 1) Does this mean that the WayGB is no longer sending "GS reports" to Rosie? 2) Did all these GS threads finally awaken L3nder, as well?

How MUCH did the cult cost? Is TIME all that was lost? The cost and time-loss is in direct proportion to the LONGER ONE STAYED, THE HIGHER THE COSTS AND LOSS... economically, mentally, psychologically, socially, etc. Even twi's staff are moonlighting to supplement their income..!! And, that Rosalie HATES the 46-hour work week that restricts her control..!! Doesn't that say it all? After all these years........a cult is a cult.

Well..........it seems that twi ALREADY messed with the wrong person! When craig martindale kept chasing "the skirt" of F3rn All3n AND HER HUBAND FOUND OUT AND CONFRONTED LCM FACE TO FACE.....twi has been on its heels ever since!!! Twi cannot UNDO their past.....and Rosalie cannot retract her deposition statement of KNOWING MARTINDALE'S SEXUAL PREDATION. If Rosalie knew it......who else? How far-reaching does this list go? Just to name a few.......Donna, Don, Wanda, Howard, Emogene, L3nder, (L's wife?), Fred3rick, (F's wife?), Security guys, President's Cabinet?, other staff women? etc, etc. Is there any wonder why Rosalie's "leverage of power" is over? Too many know the dirty little secrets and favortism runs rampant. One cannot effectively administer when partiality is in play........and twi has a load of "insiders" (inside the corruption-belt). Even L3nder, the gun-strapping loyalist of guardian of the secrets, after his work-slot at twi, seeks part-time work elsewhere in the surrounding community. And, with him doing it......how many others?? Oh, how the "walls of zion" are crumbling around them....

Highway......yes, me too. Everytime I hear that above refrain.......I thank the Lord above for delivering me from their legalism. In the depths of martindale's mid-90s rule, he mandated ridiculous constraints and policies most specifically directed at the full-time corps on the field. Those 15-minute time schedules needed to be submitted to our limb/region guys each Friday....planning for the week ahead. And yet.....a few years later, martindale was facing two lawsuits for sexual predation of corps/staff women and publically confessed. He couldn't even run his own life.....I'll be damned (sing rest of song)... And Rosalie......with her two sons?? Her life?? Her money and investments in NC? No thanks.......I'll run MY OWN LIFE.

The Allen lawsuit really changed how they operate and interface with the staff. Did the Allen Lawsuit open the floodgates for several lawsuits from other staff women? Did twi's lawyers counsel them to abolish many of their archaic practices set up by wierwille? Did the staff mount a surge for better compensation and working conditions.......or else? Did the "infallibility of the MOG" exposed (wizard behind the curtain) unshackle the bondage? Did the massive hemorrhaging of innies (and their money) become the "knockdown punch" for twi? Any of these..........or all of the above??