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THE SECRET AGENDA SOCIETY...... Wierwille went to his grave without this public exposure. Wierwille went to his grave without facing lawsuits. Wierwille went to his grave having mentored others "in his image." Wierwille went to his grave being whitewashed by the trustees.

Steve.......I tend to agree with your assessment that Geer was using the adultery card to blackmail. I seriously doubt that the trustees would have given Geer the platform to speak to all the corps household otherwise. Chris Geer was known to partake of wierwille's ideology that "adultery helps to minister to needs." When K_rk Martindale was housed in one of the corps-tels next to twi's Corps Chalet, Chris Geer had come to hq during this turbulent time of 1986. This small, adjacent bedrooms surrounded by wood are like echo chambers as sound is easily transmitted through the walls. Late one night during Geer's stay at hq, a lady-friend came over for a "visit" and, during the night, K_rk heard and learned more about the secret life of Geer. Kirk related this episode shortly after he left the inresidence program. He was fumed by the abuse of power knowing that his brother AND geer were partakers. He was deeply disgusted with the corps program -- thinking that all corps knew of these secret doctrines of wierwille.

Like a tumbler of drambuie laced with poison, the wierwille doctrine was secretly stirred and presented to the unsuspecting recipients of "biblical research." One CANNOT partake of wierwille's favored drink, ie the scriptural truths in wierwille's classes and material, without drinking the poison as well. The biblical qualifications for True Ministers is listed in I Timothy 3........and wierwille was grossly unfit and unqualified for this office. Even more, wierwille's embracing of "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" marked him as following in the ways of this world and the Ruler of this darkness. And further.......he trumpeted his men to follow in this adultery path of lust. In the end, nearing his deathbed.......wierwille stated, I WISH I WERE THE MAN I KNEW TO BE. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. <_<

This thread dove-tails into dozens of threads of wierwille's sexual predation. Many years ago, a regular greasespot poster named catcup detailed the heart-wrenching account and destruction of her sister. While on the WOW field, catcup's younger sister was summoned by wierwille to his motorcoach. When she arrived, somewhat amazed and yet puzzled why the twi-president requested to meet with her in the privacy of his motorcoach......she quickly realized the horror. Wierwille wanted sex. This sweet, innocent WOW girl was repulsed......and refused. Wierwille took immediate action in labeling her as possessed and the wierwille thugs had her thrown off the the WOW field. The parents had to make the 10-hour drive from Ohio to South Carolina and she cried the whole way home. Further, she stayed isolated in her bedroom for months refusing to discuss this with her parents or corps sister. When the corps sister, catcup, asked wierwille, "What happened?" Wierwille glared at her as he slowly puffed on his cigarette and stated, "She couldn't handle it (the wow field). He used his authoritarian position to intimidate, stone-wall, and deceive. This WOW girl feared that her parents and sister would NOT believe (that wierwillle was a sexual predator) and never revealed this information UNTIL both her parents and sister had exited twi in 1995/96. One more story of a WOW's plight.....one more "nail in wierwille's coffin of redeeming qualities."

What about Geer? Might need two Geer "stand-ins".... 1) Geer the bus driver......assisting wierwille 2) Geer the Gartmore guy.... When Craig's brother, K_rk, was in-residence.....he was staying in one of those corps-tels and Geer was in an adjacent corps-tel. One of Geer's "lady-friends" (geer's wife was not at hq) had stopped in late one night for a "visit" and a while later, it became obvious what was going on in Geer's corps-tel. *For those unfamiliar with these 4 corps-tels (motels)......all four wood bedrooms were like 14' X 16' with bathroom and closet. Each room had a distinctive wood (i.e. oak, mahogany, etc). No carpet.

BUMP ......to add more background to the current "EXODUS" thread.

Geer read his "patriarch" paper to the inresidence corps in Mar/Apr of 1986......then, in August 1986 he read it before the corps present at Corps Week. Some dissent arose immediately.................August 1986 Clergy Meeting with Geer, more exit............November 1986 Lynn and others travel country, more exits.....1987 More and more splinter groups pop up...........1988 Martindale writes letter, "line in sand"........Feb/Mar 1989 IMO......this is ONE exodus on a national scale than encompasses many factors and elements of dissent. Otherwise, one could easily make the argument that this exodus be categorized in multiple ways for multiple reasons.

penworks.....Mrs. Wierwille's book, Born Again to Serve gives a snippet of Piqua, Ohio just prior to their move from Van Wert to the wierwille homestead in 1961. With the Advanced Class taught in Troy, Ohio and New Year's Retreat again in Piqua, Ohio.....there definitely was growing support and loyalty in this area. But clearly.......for wierwille, some 10-15 years laters, to share the "Piqua/Troy exodus" to several inresidence corps groups, must have been quite dramatic at the time.

Yeah......"revelation" changes when the dick-tator is drunk, hung-over or somewhere in-between.

oakspear.....yes, there was a "mass exodus" in 1961,1962. When wierwille was pivoting on his decision to move away from Van Wert, there was a core of followers near Piqua, Ohio that wanted The Way, Inc. to headquarter their operation near them. From what I remember of this twi history, wierwille felt pressured by their demands, because of their loyalty. For wierwille to even deliberate over this.......there must have been a decent amount of support (25-30%..??). With brother Harry's support to fix up the ole wierwille home, vpw made the decision to move his operation to the wierwille homestead in February 1962. Local support came from Mrs. W's sister, Dee F. and lots of others.......but the Piqua followers felt snubbed and faded away. All things relative, this situation was fairly dramatic because wierwille retold this account to inresidence corps through the years.

Last September, a long-standing corps couple with teenagers-in-tow came to visit us. Fifteen years had passed since we'd seen them.....mid-90's, when martindale was near his apex of re-making the foundational, intermediate, and advanced The Way of Abundance and Power classes. Throughout the afternoon, our friends never once tried to extol their twi involvement or encourage us to come back. In fact, they seemed more eager to listen to our journey since exiting twi, our family's successes and experiences. Far more than shielding this "we've got all the answers"......they seemed to be baby-stepping towards the exit door. Not quite ready to ask direct questions, but definitely checking us out to see that the adversary had not grease-spotted us. Those still ensnared with twi doctrine will probably not find any Rivenbark sins in public view. Rosie is far more subtle than martindale ever was.....and learned those lessons well. After all, she was a school teacher. And, now that she's the "school principal".....she will control the conduct of the students and their curriculum. Her life's quest has brought her to this administrative level. She doesn't have to prove anything to anyone......any more! She will retire on her terms. Rosalie Fox Rivenbark has removed the "presidential charismatic element" of leadership in twi. She doesn't constitute the teacher of the foundational, intermediate or advanced classes. Other corps leadership have the responsibility of corps meetings. She is The Administrator.....the Chairwoman of the Board. In this position, she has staked out a path of longevity. In all likelihood, Rosalie could easily hold this office for ANOTHER TEN YEARS. Maybe more......

PFAL '77 was conceived and designed to replace the pfal '67 film class. As I understood it, ten years of wierwille in a skinny tie needed a REMAKE. Some were shocked at roa to see the older wierwille. The a/v department had grown in leaps and bounds and was ready to tackle this project and air-brush the older wierwille.Besides, there were a few gaffes in pfal.....the one where vpw gets all excited and exclaims, "When he comes back...he (Jesus) is coming back as God Almighty!" Remember all the a/v sound checks at PFAL '77....? Remember all the instructions to the audience....? Remember the different camera angles, the outdoor shots...? Remember the Bud Morgan documentary of the Stauhal family....? In the end......the PFAL '77 class was not deemed as good as the old version. In the end......wierwille had not taught this material to improve its substance. In the end......twi leadership "voted" to stay the course with the '67 class. In the end......"performance" seemed to be the deciding vote. Twi decided to stick with the skinny-tie version and enshine it. In weighing the two side-by-side, wierwille was unable to match the enthusiasm and "they don't pay me for my jokes" spiel of the '67 class. After all, this was the class where wierwille "sacrificed" the intensity of the glaring lights to teach his people. Years later, this statement would be played over and over......as wierwille lost his eye. Others might know alot more than me.

Kinda like the law of inertia.....a body will preserve its velocity and direction so long as no force in its motion's direction acts on it. Inertia comes from the Latin word, "iners", meaning idle, or lazy.... For far too long, I trusted twi's "research" and "integrity" to INSPECT THE FRUIT AT WIERWILLE'S FARM AND DOORSTEP. Shame on them for their evil doings. Shame on me for "selling their fruit" that God told me to INSPECT.

So true, penworks.........thanks. Until or unless one is involved PERSONALLY.....the twi-staffer or follower is likely to brush it aside or rationalize it away. Wierwille was big on compartmentalizing one's life.......tucking things away in a lockbox. If a tornado hits the next neighborhood, its an inconvenience........BUT if the tornado hits YOUR HOUSE, its a disaster!!! Same goes for twi's evil. Until you are confronted with it head-on, the easiest approach is to "drive around the obstacles lying in the street" and avoid it. The wierwille doctrine poisoned the twi well. Peter J. W@de, vp's right-hand man, left in 1975, my 4th corps limb coordinator John Cl@y left in 1978, other corps leaders were splitting out in 1979-81, clergy and corps.......Ambassador One pilot, John R@ce, left around 1980, bodyguards were exiting, more much more,......ALL OF THIS BEFORE MARTINDALE BECAME PRESIDENT. Martindale took over a diseased twi. <_<

Let me first say.....I have no "insider knowledge" regarding this situation. But having observed twi for 24 years: 1) Men who are sent or discarded to field assignments are NOT selected to trustee (director) positions. The grooming of a vice-president or president is FULL FRONTAL EXPOSURE CONSISTENTLY AT HQ before any such decision is final. All president-elects were in lockstep with the current president. 2) As far as I know, the three men are serving field assignments. From what was posted on Pl@tig, he was not always a yes-man to rubberstamp Rosie's policies. Therefore, he was sent packing to a field position. Greene went to Atlanta after serving years as the Trunk Coordinator. Plus, I tend to believe that Greene's wife is a factor in this. And, isn't Magn3lli on the field? Same deal....distancing. 3) Promotions are all about grooming and favoritism. Rosie is grooming someone who will "take care of her emeritus situation" when she retires. Partiality goes both ways. 4) The grooming process MUST involve selecting someone who is AN INSIDER. Rupp has been at hq since 1996 after serving as Region Coordinator in Texas. And, he's been serving as one of the vice-presidents for how many years now? If he can "stand the heat in the kitchen".....then he will probably stay. And, odds are in favor of him getting the Big Chair. <_<

Donna chose Rosie............and lcm was sent packing.

Back in 1989-92, the three corps coordinators that I remember: 1) S. Strezp3k......Gunnison corps program 2) W. Cl@pp.........Indiana campus program 3) Ed Horn3y........hq corps program Martindale continued to be the Corps Director. But, yes......Rupp has waited a long time being mr. yes-man. He's paid his dues as a card-carrying twi loyalist. He's purported the party line like a good soldier for some 25 years. He's helped to "dig the graves of many" and covered the stench of twi. With men like Pl@tig and Greene and M@gnelli out of the running, Rupp has only to abide his time. Hopefully, he awaits......not wanting to wait ANOTHER ten years.

He is a 17th corps grad......the inresidence corps group that sat with martindale during the cgeer power-grab around 1987. At the time, martindale lauded this corps as instrumental in standing on the word with their strong allegiance to martindale. Being groomed for leadership, John was on the inside track of favoritism and access. He and his wife were assigned to oversee the Way Disciple Program in its infantile stages and later became Limb coordinators of Texas and the Region coordinators for surrounding states. Many have said that he quoted martindale's teachings more than the Bible when he taught. He's a twi sell-out and has set his eyes on the throne. When the mark & avoid doctrine was at its apex, Rvpp was in the thick of it in Texas. I was in attendance in one of his teachings which was slotted for 45 minutes....and he droned on 1 hour and 15 minutes. He didn't have a clue that he'd over-extended his time by 30 minutes until I pointed it out to him after the meeting. Martindale would have reemed him a new one had Rvpp done that at HQ. <_<

Maybe it's just me........but there seemed to be a resurgence of "creativity" when that whole push for Word in Culture moved thru twi around 1978-1980. Music.....wasn't there a statewide "band-runoff" to find the best twi talent in each state? Art.......paintings, drawings, calligraghy art, murals, sculpting work, fountain Writing.....7th corps guy wrote a novel, 7th corps cartoonist had "Mad" magazine Inventions....there was an inventions workshop at WIB, and vpw had guys working on all-terrain vehicle. Fine Arts.....the Fine Arts and Historical Center --- museum / weddings / reunions Talent........broadway dancers, orchestra, professional athletes, etc. Building Trades......architects, engineers, craftsmen, woodworking shop in NK Medical Field........medical WOWs, workshop at WIB, psychiatrist work, Etc. Etc.

My grandparents had church in their home back in the 1920's and early 30's......so I've never viewed wierwille/twi as revolutionary in this area. My grandparents and others would alternate home-church meetings and an itinerant preacher would visit once or twice a month. When the preacher was not in attendance, the home meetings consisted of Bible reading and prayer and singing......followed by a meal together.

So true........like-mindedness to FOLLOW IN HIS STEPS should be the Christian standard. In twi, we followed the wierwille path, the wierwille ideology.....the cisterns of man. Uugh.

During my twi tenure (1974-1998).....being "like-minded" on the simple tenets of Christianity seemed to evolve into monk-style legalism. The days of "D0nnie Fug1t and his guitar" blissfully reaching hundreds upon hundreds with a message of God's love and forgiveness somehow, later, morphed into beady-eyed zealots wanting everyone to uphold twi-traditions and Burn the Chaff events honoring Uncle Harry with fervor. By ratcheting up rhetoric......"like-minded" became LEGALIST-minded. One of my biggest criticisms of the way corps training indoctrination was that the CLONING aspect trumphed any individuality, any originality. I adamantly disagreed that "christ-in-you" was some type of assembly-line production of all things wierwille. Just because wierwille liked German short-hair dogs, did that mean that those were the best dogs to own? And yet, how many brown-nosers mimiced vp?....along with cgeer, I know four others did. At one time, twi inspired bull-fighting rodeo clowns, athletes, orchestra musicians, writers, cartoonists, inventors, physicians, medical personnel (healing arts), military leadership, architects, tradesmen, etc. etc. For a couple of years, a tent at rock of ages was erected for the sale and distribution of believers' artwork, music tapes, books, subscriptions, goods, etc. On the threshold of INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM and CREATIVITY (gosh, can I saw that?...haha), twi squashed it like a bug!!! At least, back in THOSE YEARS.......there was an ebb and flow of enthusiasm and individuality!! Twi never advanced past the pyramid system. All eyes had to be focused on wierwille. All classes had to be wierwille-sanctioned. All policies had to be sterilized by twi doctrine. Like-minded really meant closed-minded or cult-minded. Twi has never gotten off its reservation since around 1982. All control measures are to keep the money flowing into twi's coffers. The legalism of the day trumphes all suits......hearts, clubs, and diamonds (in the rough). Will twi ever find its way out of their religious legalism? I don't know. It's been almost thirty years and thousands of teachings haven't seemed to bring a ray of light to their darkened demise. <_<

Many reasons, for sure..... 1) Wierwille was "untouchable".......and yet, many (by 1981) were starting to see behind the curtain. As I posted several times, some of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th corps were distancing themselves from twi. Pilots and bodyguards were leaving wierwille's side. 2) 10 years of exposure.......10 years of obedience.......10 more years towards adulthood 3) The region coordinators (and others) saw an opportunity to be top dog as wierwille stepped down. In my opinion, many were feigning allegiance......yet, sizing up the point of opportunity to break away. 4) In hindsight, I don't think there was as much "like-mindedness" as one might have thought. 5) Some were of Apollo, some of Geer, some of Martindale, some of Lynn..... 6) Even though wierwille praised Peter W@de in pfal.......W@de moved on.

Yeah.....what do those staffers DO all day? Okay, the food services staff I understand.....prep, cook, serve, clean. But the purchasing dept?......same routine purchases. That takes all of five minutes. The bookstore area.......all based on growth, outreach and that is pathetically slow. Shipping/Receiving.......what's to ship? what's being received besides sysco food supplies? Printing staff...........again, this work hinges on growth, outreach, syllabi, etc. Way Builders?..........maintenance and repair, sure. But what is being built? Transportation?........no need for that 18-wheeler. No major limbs to move, no shuffling of staff. Auditorium?.........hardly use the balcony. Can turn the heat way down all week long. Research Dept?......nope, nada, zilch. Maybe they have nap time after lunch meal? <_<

Speaking of divorces....at one time these THREE TRUSTEES were in charge. 1) Craig Martindale, president.......now divorced 2) Rosalie Rivenbark, vice prez......divorced, never mentions 2 sons 3) John Reynolds, sec-treas..........divorced, one son, remarried 8th corps girl Doing as "they say, not as they do" is common cult doctrine.