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When Rev. Wierwille LEFT his Van Wert church in 1957........I wonder if he is going to receive untold consequences as a cop-out of that commitment? Funny.....how wierwille saw all the God-reasons for leaving his church, whereas he railed on any clergy/corps who felt led to LEAVE the spiritually-bankrupt twi. <_<

penworks......good point. :) And, then.....let's not forget how Chris Geer spent hundreds of hours in Anderson Library his first year in-rez (1976) to study every facet of wierwille and dotsie......heritage, background, traveling habits, dogs and hunting, food and drink, idiosyncricies, irritations, etc. etc. The result? Chris and Barbara stepped into their interim corps year assignments as VP's and Dotsie's personal assistants. Martindale and Geer......Geer and Martindale -----> Who's on first?

I've said this probably a dozen times on GS.......but I think Geer was FIRST IN LINE to revive the wierwille worship mantra after his death. The sum total of the patriarch paper was to HONOR WIERWILLE WITH ALL YOUR HEART, SOUL, MIND AND STRENGTH........praise him for all he has given. Then, the offshoot guys began hitching their "ministries" to wierwille's "star." Martindale deviated from the well-trodden path of pfal. He pushed the "athlete allegory" as it stroked his ego of his jock days. In the end, martindale was the fall guy. Rosalie knows a cash cow when she sees one.....and that maid knows how to milk..!! <_<

In my 24-years with twi, with 4 years on hq staff.......I never saw wierwille anywhere near a sign, a miracle or a wonder. Zilch. Nada. During those corps weeks.....the corps were yelled at for NOT STOPPING THE RAIN. Yep, blame in on the corps and stand behind the podium with that pompous, self-righteous thundering voice. And I wonder, still I wonder........Who'll stop the rain?

And....the tunnel from the orchestra pit leads to the storage bunker beneath the osc warehouse where they stash assault rifles, nightvision gear, surface missles, food supply, etc. O -- Oligarchic S -- Spiritual C -- Command

I never cared for the SNS videos to SEE the same old, same old. Even when I drank the koolaid, it made no sense to part with my hard-earned money on these videos. Plus, after a year.....you have 52 vhs videos to SHELVE or STORE AWAY. After the novelty wore off, most didn't even care to borrow them. In the 90s, martindale mandated fellowship attendance 3X a week.....for the "faithful." Who wanted to sit down and watch these videos? Not many. At least with audio cassette tapes, I could listen to them while traveling to work.

Jim..........yes, a BFD. This is NOT exclusive to California, but is popping up in many states. The link below details the public sector employees and the MASSIVE pensions that are given to bleed the U.S. taxpayers. pensiontsunami.com -- tracks the ongoing abuse of pensions.

If wierwille would have requested a foamboard model, one would have been assembled el pronto. Obviously, wierwille wanted to do what wierwille wanted.....ie. walk the building site with geer at his side. This time frame, 1981/82, was when joe c0ulter chose beta over vhs format.......no? How many of us twi-ers went out and purchased beta machines?

Pension Tsunami Hmmmmmmmmm.

The Way International has its Headquarters just south of New Knoxville, Ohio. Their promotional brochures boast of twi as a biblical research, teaching and fellowship center. Yet, twi has no church, no chapel, no cathedral, no state-of-the-art lecture hall or campus fellowship center. Twi has an *auditorium* for productions. Twi's Auditorium: A Series of Blunders With twi's groundbreaking ceremony in the early 80s.......wierwille and geer walked the area. According to geer's 'patriarch' paper, wierwlle could not ascertain information by looking at blueprints, and thus needed to walk the designated area to understand its layout and intricate details. Twi's Auditorium grand opening was March 17, 1985.....symbolic of Uncle Harry's birthdate and contribution to The Way International. These years, 1981-1985, are regarded by many as the apex of twi "in full bloom." The Living Victoriously class in August of 1982 brought in hundreds of international students, wierwille had selected Martindale as president-elect to be installed at the 40th anniversary, October 1982, as wierwille's successor, Ambassador One flights were in full swing, Way Orchestra personnel and productions were 'the buzz' of excitement, auditorium donorship was publically displayed for all to see, athletes of the spirit terminology was flooding way mag articles.........and (drum roll), a dance production was underway to highlight the vast resources of Twi's New and Resourceful Auditorium. A herd of blunders...... 1) Twi's "auditorium" was putting its emphasis on production and entertainment. 2) The rehearsal room, sound studio, and orchestra pit......yeah, that's really needed. 3) Twi's auditorium is a stage-presentation layout......not a church pastor to his congregation model. 4) When twi does advanced classes or all-day events.....the restroom facilities should be TRIPLE to the amount in the auditorium, especially when 15-minute bathroom breaks are designated. 5) The main lobby area......cold and sterile. 6) And, to suggest that martindale dance in "Jock"......just ain't right. This thread supports the *Okie Dufus* thread that revelation was NO WHERE IN SIGHT.....where was wierwille? How did he so blunder all these auditorium designs? Why was 'a production setup' the crowning jewel of wierwille's legacy? If wierwille was all about a teaching ministry.....why was production spotlighted? What if the minister was inspired to step down and walk out into the congregation? What about a calling for those to come forward who wanted to be ministered to? Why wasn't there any designated area for that? No forethought or designation for in-spirit-action manifestations........none. Just come, listen, be entertained......and leave. <_<

In the pfal class, wierwille taught that God's Word is of NO private interpretation.....neither you can interpret it, nor I (vpw) can interpret it.....but this *Word* interprets itself (1) in the verse, (2) in the context, or (3) it's been used before. Lo, and behold........in subsequent classes, wierwille is adding HIS private interpretation to push his viewpoints and agenda. And then, when I sit thru his "Christian Family and Sex" class......the liberties he used to twist the scriptures. When wierwille taught that masturbation was the original sin....I left that class scratching my head thinking, "That sure sounded like alot of private interpretation?" The corps training indoctrination continued the trend. Why the heck were we spending so much time on Dale Carnegie's sales techniques? Why all the wierwille adulation and hype everytime he comes to the Emporia campus? What's the difference between private interpretation and "literals according to usage?" Why are we totally immersed in this MAL-pack survival living....it seems more fear-based than God-based? On and on the indoctrination continued.

She has all the power in that shrinking, stinking cult. David Koresh held "all the power" in his Branch Davidians until the fiery end.

Yeah, and let's not forget....the Parker lawsuit was "a one-time affair" too. And, let's not forget.........the Allens WON this out-of-court settlement. And, twi's lawyers advised the trustees that martindale was a LIABILITY. And, martindale was secretly sent to Toledo in unspeakable hush tones. And, craig was housed at twi's in-house doctor's home.....owned by twi. And, craig was "on probation" with all the creature comforts that twi-money could buy. Your abundant sharing at work.

Three months later.......by July 2000, five or six region coordinator couples SILENTLY exit twi. Time was ripe to put distance between martindale and themselves. In Florida, the L1chts................exit. In Texas, the L@llys..................exit. In Colorado, the Mosqued@s............exit. At hq, former reg. couple S@ilers.....exit In Michigan, region couple............exit. More damage control needed. Later.....mosqued@s came forward with exit strategy on waydale.

What about shiftthis? Deliverance from pride?..... Deliverance from "casting stones?"..... In coming to the Savior from sin.......go and sin no more. <_<

With the Allen lawsuit underway, Martindale and co. surreptitiously devised their plan. An all-important Sunday Night Service announcement was promoted and Branch phone hook-ups and play-backs were scheduled all around the country in mid-April 2000. Why? Damage Control. Martindale was to announce his "one-time affair" with F3rn All3n. Vice-President Rosalie Rivenbark was in agreement with this announcement......even though in legal deposition, she admitted to knowing of martindale's predation as early as 1995. For five years, she was SILENT in warning twi's corps women (and....some state that Rosalie knew as early as 1985, at least, that martindale was heeding wierwille's mentoring to "loosen up sexually."} John Reynolds, the Secretary-Treasurer, knew too that this announcement was a lie. He was privy to the 1998 Advanced Class sex-capade that resulted in the Colorado lawsuit. Don Wierwille, emeritus trustee, knew the underbelly secrets of martindale/twi. Yet, Don stayed silent in his agreement to this bold-faced lie. Howard Allen, emeritus trustee, was on board with this lie, another lie in The Way. How could he voice otherwise? He, too, was culpable. Donna.....silent. Wanda.....silent. Emogene...silent. Ten Years Ago......twi's trustees engaged in full-scale damage control to deceive. All knew the dirty little secrets of sexual predation in wierwille's ministry and, deceiving others, was their mission to hold power. Wierwille was suble, martindale was not. While martindale danced around the pitfalls for a couple of months as more lawsuits loomed, twi's lawyers axed his presidency. And, even though martindale fought to hold some power by becoming twi's Research Department Coordinator........the lawyers advised his OUSTER! One man with incredible computer skills started Waydale.....ultimately sent martindale packing. One man and one brave wife stood against the savage onslaughts of a multi-million dollar corporation and won an out-of-court settlement. Rosalie Fox Rivenbark was self-promoted to twi president. Yet, for those who know how she plays the game........she will always be a liar and deceiver. <_<

WHAT EXACTLY WAS WRONG?........the corps were straying from the "pfal-yellow brick road" of wayworld. No longer were the corps buying "the word" propaganda that twi/geer spouted. The corps, and non-corps, were growing up and GROWING AWAY from twi's blind allegiance. More were moving into business adventures, professional circles and family endeavors.....no longer the youth of the early 70s. In 1980/81.....The Way Credit Union opened its doors for loans and mortgages. Many staffers and others acquired loans and bought houses in New Knoxville, St. Marys, New Bremen, Minster, and Wapakoneta. Remember, the Financial Freedom teachings? Remember the Word in Business Conferences as more and more "believer businesses" were sprouting up all over the country? All of wierwille's "visions" were imploding......ie the LEAD Outdoor Academy had disintegrated as top leadership at the helm exited. The Camp Gunnison "family vacation experience" never developed......no restaurant, no horse trail rides, no sunset corps building cabins for retirement, etc. etc. Wierwille's planes and pilots were moving on as "the dream disappeared." The corps were disappearing back into family and corporate America. Geer had one shot at seizing his 15-minutes of fame.........and HE TOOK IT. The patriarch paper was geer's adulationary allegiance to "his" father-in-the-verd. To obsecrate his love for wierwille, the paper was geer's eulogizing the death of wierwille in grand scale. The hazy content of geer's writings symbolize a son yearning for his father's paternal, patriarchical support and love in yesteryear memories. In wishful fashion, geer longs for a different outcome than the one he sees. His corps "brothers and sisters" had wised up, and moved on....but not geer. He had devoted his entire adult life to wierwille's allegiance, to wierwille alone. To geer....being "off the word" was slighting one's adulation and allegiance to wierwille. No red roses were on wierwille's grave on the first anniversary of his death and this confirmed that twi/corps had forsaken the man of god and his teachings. <_<

Welcome to the more deserted abundant life.

NO PETS........meant no "serious" pets (dogs, cats, horses, llamas, etc). Yes, folks.......cats were TOO EXPENSIVE according to twi standards. Crazed corps would rat out other corps to keep on the path of 'the prevailing word.' And, wouldn't you know it.........Rosalie kept her CAT. The ruling class is above the petty rules. <_<

As twi became more corrupt......abusive power escalated. As government becomes more corrupt......abuse of power escalates. Warning from surgeon general HEART SURGEON (Jesus).....what could possibly be THE REASONS why Pharisees and Herod be coupled together in THE SAME CONTEXT? Mar 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and [of] the leaven of Herod.

TWI's double standard is blatantly obvious. Wierwille was a chain smoker....Don W. was a chain smoker......but when the corps were on twi's payroll, NO SMOKING was legislated. When the field corps ADDED THE COST OF SMOKES to their financial budgets......twi, now, had "a dog in this fight." Yeah, when it hits THEIR pocketbook.......twi raised a stink. Funny, how they didn't mind the abundant sharing helping to pay vpw's and don's SMOKING HABITS. Why is the ruling class of twi exempt from rules? And, some may ask.......the whole thieving bunch were sexual predators and you are concerned about smoking? D@mn straight.......and I am not a smoker. I loathe HYPOCRISY.

In my opening post, I briefly detailed how twi's addition of all corps onto its payroll led to a bureacratic nightmare of reporting........it seems to me that government intervention into our lives will do the same. These GS threads are LOADED with "corps intervention" into their personal lives.....to the point where Corps Nazis ruled the day. These mandates came from the top guy in twi. TWI --> more staff --> more reports --> more micromanaging --> more legalism --> more stiffling --> RED INK GOV'T --> more staff --> more reports --> more laws --> more micromanaging --> more dissent --> more police/IRS --> more stiffling --> more bureacracy --> more jobs lost --> RED INK What could possibly go wrong...????

Obesity will be the next on the list....? Didn't obesity related deaths surpass smoking and others last year? Where would be the fine line in 'liberty' being curtailed by some bureacratic weight loss program so that an individual doesn't 'burden society?' The medical field is ripe with examples of treatment for obese patients: 1) extra costs/burdens of handling their care, 2) surgery challenges for the overtly-obese, 3) special beds, heavy-duty equipment, 4) complications accompanying obesity, etc. Will the obese-police be monitoring neighborhoods....??? One more thing on smoking: Should the US President be mandated to NOT SMOKE? Or, is the ruling class exempt from all these 'petty' rules?

Apples and oranges in comparison. Smoking in designated areas as opposed to SMOKERS NEED NOT APPLY.......wowsers!!! If you are a smoker.........no job here for you. If you are a smoker.........company healthcare costs will rise, so don't bother wanting to work here. If you are a smoker.........what if all companies go this route? YET........in the link above, those hospital workers that are smokers.....that's okay. But the new standard is that Bethlehem hospital will no longer hire you if you smoke. And, they will check you for nicotine to certify.

Martindale's revelation envisioned thousands and thousands coming to twi, taking their classes, abundant sharing at 15%, etc.........but that did NOT happen. The added financial weight of all corps on twi's payroll was tipping twi's financial scales in a downward trend. The mandate of NO SMOKING......was the first step to stop the financial hemmorhaging. In a static situation, twi mandated every cost control measure to slow down the red ink. No Smoking --- did NOT apply to Don Wierwille. It's nice to be in the ruling class. In today's world is.........SMOKERS NEED NOT APPLY the beginning of a tread? The beginning......of healthcare micro-management? The beginning......of obesity management? The beginning......of __________________?