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Thanks for the link, Allan.......appreciate it. . .

As one comment explained......From the article, "It's waning to the point that you're seeing more and more people getting breakthrough infections, and more and more of those people who are getting breakthrough infections are winding up in the hospital." So......what you are really saying is that the vaccine really isn't all that effective in either preventing contracting the disease, nor is it as effective in preventing serious symptoms or from preventing death as the media has been pushing down our throats the past year. Again, I would like to ask the media and this administration, "what is the urgency for getting the population vaccinated if its not that good at preventing those already vaccinated from catching it or preventing serious symptoms & death?"........[snip] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For those who follow NFL Sports...... it's been an interesting two weeks. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers QB [unvaccinated] got Covid.....(and yes, I know the tit-for-tat backstory). He contacted Joe Rogan, who had recovered from Covid earlier this year) and followed the same protocols of Ivermectin, zinc, vitamin D3, etc......and played in the game today against the Seattle Seahawks. Packers won 17-0. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers QB [fully vaccinated] got Covid.....and was placed on the reserve/Covid-19 list and missed today's game against the Detroit Lions. These are the kinds of scenarios that are surfacing. If we leave the politics and tribal thinking out of it.... why can't our health experts take a look at other therapeutic treatments like IVERMECTIN? Rodgers was sick with Covid-19 just 10-12 days ago (??)..... and he's out on the football field TODAY leading his team to a shutout over the Seattle Seahawks 17-0. Why is there silence in the media? Shouldn't medical experts be phoning him and asking him to explain his treatment, his recovery?

What jumps out at me......is people are frustrated and confused by the mixed-messaging. People are looking to Dr. Fauci, FDA and CDC to answer underlying questions that are swirling around......and straight-forward answers are hard to come by. As one comment explained......"From the article, "It's waning to the point that you're seeing more and more people getting breakthrough infections, and more and more of those people who are getting breakthrough infections are winding up in the hospital." So......what you are really saying is that the vaccine really isn't all that effective in either preventing contracting the disease, nor is it as effective in preventing serious symptoms or from preventing death as the media has been pushing down our throats the past year. Again, I would like to ask the media and this administration, "what is the urgency for getting the population vaccinated if its not that good at preventing those already vaccinated from catching it or preventing serious symptoms & death? As a matter of "FACT" the ONLY consistency I have seen with this disease and the vaccination, according to the government & media is that the longer it goes on the more they are finding out about it. With that in mind the media wants to criticize those who are apprehensive about getting the vaccine because they feel like it wasn't studied enough. So far the media & government have done nothing but justifying those concerns. Probably didn't help matters when the Yahoo article ended with Dr. Fauci saying this....... "We don't have the proof yet—the proof of the pudding will be after you get people vaccinated and boosted, and we have a greater durability of protection that doesn't wane as easily." .

Is Yahoo News reliable? I just saw this article on Dr. Fauci, vaccines and boosters...... And, WOW........the comments section is brutal. Dr. Fauci just issued urgent warning [snippet from article] "I think when all is said and done, as we get through boosting the overwhelming majority of the people who've been primarily vaccinated, we're gonna say, just like other vaccines that require multiple doses, like hepatitis B, like some of the childhood vaccinations, that it is likely" a booster is needed, he explained. "I'm making my own personal projection as an immunologist and infectious disease person. We don't have the proof yet—the proof of the pudding will be after you get people vaccinated and boosted, and we have a greater durability of protection that doesn't wane as easily." .

No, viruses can’t travel on 5G networks, and herd immunity is not a good option The Amish in Pennsylvania would beg to differ....... This is their claim. This is "their story." I'm not Amish....nor do I want to ever live their lifestyle, but their head elder makes the point that there are THREE THINGS the Amish don't like: Government Intrusion Public Education System Health System Claims everyone in their community got covid after drinking from the same chalice during communion. Some got very sick, but refused to go to nearby hospitals. Then, the Amish community came thru it..... and had a financial boom of a year. Skeptics abound, but that's *their story*...... and they're sticking to it. Amish Covid..... No Hospitalization, Isolation or Vaccines = Herd Immunity .

"Myocarditis has become the 'new Boogey man"........ Speaking of myocarditis, a news report from Taiwan has just surfaced. If this report is confirmed, then another country is taking precautions on vaccinations on young kids. I will wait for further updates to comment any further......but here is the link. Taiwan Halts 2nd Dose of Pfizer Covid-19 Jab for 12-17 Year Olds While America plows full steam to vaccinate 5-year-olds, Taiwan has slammed the breaks on injecting minors with the COVID-19 jabs. Citing the risk of myocarditis, Taiwan halted the 2nd dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 jab for 12-17-year-olds. Statistics in the United States show the risk of youth developing myocarditis after the 2nd dose is 10x higher than the 1st dose. Taiwan has taken notice of the alarming trend and adjusted its policy for vaccinating its youth. ......[snip]

GreaseSpot Cafe has been on a mission "to tell the other side of the story ABOUT TWI" for over 20 years. Throughout that time....and at the Waydale website.....I have been involved in that mission. After all, I was deeply involved in twi and was manipulated, indoctrinated and exploited. Information at "Headquarters" only moved in one direction; anyone who dissented was marked/avoided and demonized. Therefore, whenever authoritarians in power.... 1. Religious Hierarchy and/or 2. Political Hierarchy [Mark 8:15] set in motion a mandate where "one-size-fits-all"..... for me, it raises concern. Then, when I see that Twitter, Facebook and Youtube are locked in unison to censor information and put their thumb on the scale of "all power centralized at the federal level".....I want to see what is lying in wait BEHIND THE CURTAIN. At present, I continue to be an "all-approach-to-covid-treatments" mindset. If people want the vaccination (especially those 65 and older), then go get it. From what I keep reading, the jury is still out for the need to vaccinate the younger generation, and especially 5-12 year olds. What again is the percentage rate of recovery in those age groups without vaccination?......99.7?? Others choose to put their trust in other therapeutics.... like Ivermectin, HCQ and others(etc.) with zinc-paks and vitamin D3. I have friends, family and co-workers on BOTH SIDES of this issue. Vaccines, mandates and passports raise issues regarding..... Health and Public Safety Concerns Civil Rights Issues Medical Privacy HIPPA Personal Sovereignty and Consent Governmental Overreach Federal vs State Regulations Business and Corporate Interests Etc. Around the world......ie Italy, Ireland, France, Australia, etc..... these challenges exist. As I've stated before, we are STILL in the early stages of covid-19 and its variants. I am NOT SURPRISED that there is disagreement on this subject here at GSC.......heck, even top professionals disagree!!! I am hopeful that scientists and top medical professionals will find better treatments in the upcoming months. Top NIH Scientist [snippet from article]...... A senior bioethicist who heads a research team at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) is taking the lead at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in the debate over the ethics of COVID vaccine mandates. Dr. Matthew Memoli, director of the Laboratory of Infectious Diseases at NIH, will argue against vaccine mandates during a Dec. 1 livestreamed roundtable session, which will be open to the public. “There’s a lot of debate within the NIH about whether [a vaccine mandate] is appropriate,” David Wendler, a senior NIH bioethicist in charge of planning the session, told the WSJ. “It’s an important, hot topic.” .

Leading care physician and Director of the ICU in a Virginia Hospital has filed a lawsuit against Sentara Norfolk General Hospital. Lawsuit Filing ~~~~~~~~~~ A Virginia physician has been prohibited from using safe and time-honored medications inhospital while death rates from COVID-19 continue to mount Washington, DC, Nov. 10, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Paul Marik, MD, one of the most highly published critical care physicians in the world and the Director of the ICU at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital, was recently told by Sentara Healthcare that he could no longer administer a range of highly effective COVID-19 treatments to critically ill patients—the same treatments he has successfully used to reduce COVID deaths in the ICU by as much as 50%. The result of the prohibition has been a sharp increase in patient mortality. Because Dr. Marik can no longer stand by while patients needlessly die without proper treatment, he has filed a lawsuit to allow him and his colleagues to administer the combination of FDA-approved drugs and other therapies that has saved thousands of critically ill COVID-19 patients in the last 18 months. The Complaint filed today in the Circuit Court for the City of Norfolk, Virginia states that Sentara Healthcare is “preventing terminally ill COVID patients from exercising their right to choose and to receive safe, potentially life-saving treatment determined to be appropriate for them by their attending physician.” Under Virginia law, every patient has the right to receive treatment deemed appropriate for them by their attending physician, and terminally ill patients have the right to try investigational medicines that their treating physician recommends. Through its arbitrary prohibition of the COVID-19 treatment protocol developed by Dr. Marik and his colleagues, Sentara is violating the law and unjustly depriving critically ill patients of lifesaving treatment. .......[snip]

‘…..the US government is purchasing one billion dollars worth of the expensive treatment drug molnupiravir — similar to HCQ and Ivermectin but more expensive — from Merck and Co.” ……..Anybody know anything about this???

The controversy on Covid-19 treatment is intense......on all sides. Seems to me, we will be discussing this issue for the next decade.

Found this 24-minute video on Ivermectin: History Approval for humans Data / Graphs Pharmaceutical Ties Controversy Around the 21-minute mark ...... it discusses India's use of Ivermectin. Disclaimer: I am not a medical doctor or a research scientist. Ivermectin Video

Thanks Allan.......you have every right to your position. THIS is what an *open discussion forum* should be.......1) discourse about the subject, 2) each bringing their perspective, opinion and position into view, 3) no personal attacks, 4) no politics, 5) facts, statistics and one's discernment of that analysis, 6) new studies, new data, new treatments, 7) etc. Around the world.....vaccines, mandates and passports are being discussed (and challenged) by nearly everyone, right? This topic affects everyone! We will see the topic headlined for the next decade or two. This is the stuff that fuels civil rights discussions and personal sovereignty. Doctors, nurses, first-responders, police officers, firefighters, employers, employees, schools and universities, parents, children, etc. etc........this discussion is a touchstone for everyone. Thank you GSC for allowing this discussion in open forum while others places, here and around the world, censor the free-flow of information and personal opinion. Thanks to the moderators.

Also.....the self-driving automobile subject ignores the human drive for pleasure. Why would someone want to sit as a passive passenger when they could drive a MASERATI.

Also.....the self-driving automobile subject ignores the human drive for pleasure. Why would someone want to sit as a passive passenger when they could drive a MASERATI.

Thanks Allan......for stating your position. THiS is what a *discussion forum* is all about. Something that twi NEVER allowed.

As I've said before......we are IN THE EARLY STAGES OF LEARNING about Covid-19 and upcoming variants. To that end, there will be new methods, new pills, and new therapeutic treatments being introduced to the FDA, CDC, and general public. Medical doctors and institutions from around the world are engaged to find better solutions. Pfizer is advancing in its experimental phase of a new antiviral pill for Covid-19. Pfizer says COVID-19 pill cut hospital, death risks by 90% *********** Pfizer Inc. said Friday that its experimental antiviral pill for COVID-19 cut rates of hospitalization and death by nearly 90% in high-risk adults, as the drug maker joined the race for an easy-to-use medication to treat the coronavirus. Currently most COVID-19 treatments require an IV or injection. Competitor Merck's COVID-19 pill is already under review at the Food and Drug Administration after showing strong initial results, and on Thursday the United Kingdom became the first country to OK it. Pfizer said it will ask the FDA and international regulators to authorize its pill as soon as possible, after independent experts recommended halting the company's study based on the strength of its results. Once Pfizer applies, the FDA could make a decision within weeks or months. Since the beginning of the pandemic last year, researchers worldwide have been racing to find a pill to treat COVID-19 that can be taken at home to ease symptoms, speed recovery and keep people out of the hospital. Having pills to treat early COVID-19 "would be a very important advance," said Dr. John Mellors, chief of infectious diseases at the University of Pittsburgh, who was not involved in the Pfizer study. .......[snip]

Haven't read thru all 6 pages of this thread........but has this been discussed? Is this information true? Is this happening in other countries around the world? Italian Institute of Health Drastically Reduces Its Official Covid Death Toll Number The following was added by Modgellan- Skyrider asked if the information in his link was true. The answer is NO. https://factcheck.afp.com/http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.afp.com%2F9QZ8JW-1

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EXACTLY. It's simply another attempt to find others who will shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic. Everything is optics with twi...........everything!

Well.......finally, twi's bod has identified ONE of their problems: They are aging out. Ideas? Ideas? How about this?.......from YAWN (young adult way news)......let's have a "young rock festival" with the primary marketing scheme of hot bible.... er, music. Let's target the age group 18-35 year olds and make the foundational class a requirement for attendance. Gee......they could do the same thing wierwille did back in 1971. Get the youth to come to Ohio......with "rock" music as a focal point. Oh, and.......be sure to order pizza delivery.

Well.......finally, twi's bod has identified ONE of their problems: They are aging out. Ideas? Ideas? How about this?.......from YAWN (young adult way news)......let's have a "young rock festival" with the primary marketing scheme of hot bible.... er, music. Let's target the age group 18-35 year olds and make the foundational class a requirement for attendance. Gee......they could do the same thing wierwille did back in 1971. Get the youth to come to Ohio......with "rock" music as a focal point. Oh, and.......be sure to order pizza delivery.

Understood. Thanks Rocky. When one steps back and thinks about this......these guys "pal around" together, but some have THEIR OWN WEBSITES AND AGENDAS. Under the umbrella of R&R...... they portray themselves as an alternative to twi. But when it comes to wierwille-doctrine and groupthink, these CORPS-BOTS are the same as twi. Different label.....but same contents inside.

Yeah......and slavit associates with ex-corps coordinators and grifters......to keep his name on the "front burner?" Not impressed. Corps Coordinators were the "indoctrinators and enforcers" of wierwillian-mythology.

Most of these guys are 65-74 years old........moneyhands, fort, slavit, sann, sailer, strezpek, etc....... and how many of them were corps coordinators? I think horney and magnelli are a bit younger, but still......were embedded in that "corps coordinator groupthink ilk." Of course, they have NO MARKETABLE SKILLS except *snake-oil salesmen"..... so there's that. These guys moved their snake-oil booth across the street and put a different label on their shingle..... so THEY could run the business, and pocket the money, as they desired. How gullible do people have to be to not see this??????

Twi won't even admit to wrongdoing......let alone, apologize for anything? Even when there was blatant negligence and mistakes like the LEAD accident.....twi did everything to whitewash the incident. That's one of their cornerstones.....NO ACCOUNTABILITY. And, the splinter groups elevate wierwille at every turn. It's all "business as usual"......except different label (R&R, and others) on the packaging. What does that tell you?