skyrider

Broken Arrow........click on howardallen link. That's the letter referred to.....

Yeah.....when those inrez corps numbers got 325+ and about half of the "elder corps" were at the Emporia campus.....it was more like herding people around. Even before I graduated....I thought twi would be better served to have 60-75 corps max each year. And, if that eliminated me......so be it. Clearly, a more selective process and focused training would yield spiritual quality, no? But, hey....years later did I finally realize that they WANTED a production mill and indoctrination camp for faithful instructors of pfal classes.....NOT leaders.

Shortly after Howard Allen's letter, in August 1997.......twi removed the specific corps designations in attempts to marginalize the damage of the first corps no longer standing with twi. For example: underneath the picture of a corps grad who had written an article in the way magazine -- Mr. Joe Believer is a 1979 graduate of the way corps. See, publicly....the trustees were NOW not spotlighting the 1st corps, 2nd corps, etc.... they were designating THE YEAR but not the group. More generic, more blah, more blunders.

Ditto that. Amazing....how that prized marked-up bible was such a part of my life for all those years and now, boxed away for the past 15 years. I, too, have plenty of other bibles around the house.

Was it wierwille or martindale who stated..... "Believers were called 'followers of the way' before they were called Christian. In fact, the word 'Christian' was a derogatory term used by those who said that these people went around proselytizing that it was christ-in-you, christ-in-you....of which, the word Christian evolved."

VPW would be the equivalent of a......P. T. Barnum Jr. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Phineas Taylor Barnum (July 5, 1810 – April 7, 1891) was an American showman, businessman, and entertainer, remembered for promoting celebrated hoaxes and for founding the circus that became the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.

Wierwille was a narcissist. According to his self-proclamations.......he heard the audible voice of God to teach others. He was to lead people, after nearly 2,000 years of truth-vacancy, to the great mystery. He was The One....and he had The Class. After pfal.....here's the little booklet telling you to tithe. You owe it. Give it to "the" ministry.....without giving what is rightfully God's, you are nothing. The Teacher The Ministry The Scam

Did the Apostle Paul need "a ship" to fulfill his ministry of reconciliation? More specifically, did the Apostle Paul need a layered bureaucracy with a central headquarters to demonstrate the power of God, to heal people? Along with Barnabus or whoever, Paul's ministry to the Gentiles impacted the world. Wierwille built a MLM class model....sending forth volunteer recruiters and instructors to do the work and collect the monies. From his high post, wierwille postulated "God's will" for their lives......all the while, storing up treasures and security on earth. Silly me.....I thought it was "Christ in YOU" the hope of glory not "Stand with the Ship" the hope of glory. Deceptively thru the years, twi moved the goal posts. The God of the New Testatment does NOT collectively move in groups!!! All scripture points to God and you....and THAT'S a majority. Twi's talk about "ship going down"......is Jim Jones' talk. The machinery of twi became their god. Wierwille deceived. Martindale deceived. Rivenbark deceived.

And, of course......the grandparents were "unbelievers" and us parents, the "believers," hadn't planned financially for our kids' college education. We had "the more abundant life".....but had squat for money. Just drips with irony, doesn't it?

In the mid-90s.....Martindale's answer to college was...(drum roll) ....have your high school kids ask their GRANDPARENTS for the money.

And....even if John Rupp steps to the plate, he's been groomed in twi-corruption. There would need to be a seismic-shift in leadership selection to ALTER WAYWORLD AS WIERWILLE STRUCTURED IT. Something....someone chosen outside twi's little pond. It would have to be an edict of God....unmistakably, the Lord's annointed. And, even then, the powers that be would dismiss it or refuse it. The pride of man, the fallen Saul....would attempt to slay the Lord's chosen. Someone like David......"a man after God's own heart"

Yeah......wierwille knew that he failed miserably as a living testimony of the gospel of JC. In the end, he lamented....."I wish I were the man I know to be." Wish? Wishing at the end of his life? If wishes were horses, beggars would ride!

Wierwille had his 12 years (1970-1982)......... Martindale had his 12 years (1982-86, '90-'98)..... Rosalie has had her 12 years (1998-2010)........... Sure, one could say wierwille had lots more than 12 years, but the numbers were so pitiful in the '60s that its really a non-issue. When wierwille had his 12 years in the spotlight, he purposed a corps-driven twi. The timing-devices were set for an upcoming implosion. Martindale had basically 12 years, as well....with the interuption of those "fog years." Much of his early reign was eaten up by "The Man: In Tights" dancing production and victory laps. Was it the lap-dancing that ended his reign or the dunce-laughing at the pending lawsuits? Whatever. Rosalie had been eyeing the big chair for many years. So, when Rosie sits down.....what does she decree? Planning and micro-managing the masses will be her mantle. She is NOT "the teacher".....NOT "the athlete".....BUT "the administrator. She is the Chairwoman of The Bored Board. The Sunday teaching are red-penciled in advance.....like any good school teacher would do. Why, she has planned the devil completely out of twi......finally! What? People are still leaving? 1) Putting pfal in old wine skins. Yawn. 2) The debt and mortgage issue is absurd. 3) Double-standards and elitism, still? 4) No one wants to work on staff? 5) And now, the Adam Hirschfeld fiasco..... Gee, hopefully.....donna and her sister are not mad at your blundering and spiritual perception on this. I mean, twi is supposed to be "in the promised land of milk and honey" where investments are NOT frauded and stolen. Where did you miss it, Rosalie? Where did you veer from your planned schedule and ALLOW THE DEVIL IN? Time to Resign......Rosalie. Turn in your resignation. Turn out the lights. Turn off the smugness. Turn loose the captives. Turn over the assets. Turn to God...and repent.

Yeah.....martindale, geer, corps coordinators and other lockstep leaders. If you just indoctrinate the brain.....idolatry comes forward! PFAL = the biblical keys to the word's interpretation PFAL = the essence of the word in this day and time PFAL = the word VPW taught pfal VPW taught "the word" VPW is your "father in the word" See.....there it is, plain as mud.

So.....G1les daughter, wife of Adam Hirschfeld, is inter-twined in this fraud. .......other daughter is involved somehow as well? .......mother, Phyl G!les, was/is a registered agent for the investment company? .......and Donna Martindale's sister and brother-in-law got bilked with other investors? Uh, yeah.......twi is involved in this one! The cell phones are a-buzzing and it ain't small talk chit-chat. Where is that song?...."pants on the ground, pants on the ground"

Twi involvement goes deeper than just Donna Martindale's sister... Appears that other twi leaders are involved? Phyllis Giles (7th corps)... is the wife of Rev. P@aul Gil3s (6th corps) HF Capital registered agent? Was? Is? Got out? Questions? Questions? who else?

When I read threads like this, my mind keeps asking the questions.... 1) Hello? Where is that spiritual perception again? 2) Why does twi leadership always show up AFTER the fact? 3) Kinda smacks to be deceived, doesn't it? Some of us gave over two decades of our lives to twi. We were deceived....and twi was the BENEFICIARY of the deception, our labor and financial giving. Okay, maybe donna's sister lost thousands!!........big deal. What if some of us detailed OUR losses.......???

The WAYBG is the thugocracy in the shadows of twi. Thanks Paw.....for digging for more details.

Which version? One version......it happened over a two-day period. Second version...it happened one sunshining moring. Black snow? Figurative black snow? Not a whiteout.....a blackout? Really? Phenomenon? In wierwille's own words.... And I said, "Lord, to know that this is true, I'd like to see it snow." And I opened my eyes, and it was pitch-black, almost pitch-black outside, and the snow was falling so thick. I have never seen it fall that thick since that day.

There was lots of foot-dragging by John and Wayne on the wierwille sexual abuse issue. They had a dilemma on their hands......in trying to recreate a "good ole days twi" in cff, waydale and greasespot were posting threads on wierwille's predation and scores of other destructive ways. It was F3rne Cl4pp who told those men to STOP DITHERING AND ADDRESS IT. And again.....my respect for these men dropped a few notches. Just seemed like there was lots of back-scratching and politicking going on in twi's "good ole boys club." Plus, you don't want to defame the wierwille name.....keep pouring on the nostalgia. Not only does it "help" way-faring followers, but its comforting to those who stood with wierwille all those years. Win-win. Guess I'm the type of person who doesn't like sugar-coating. I want to sit at the table and talk to the adults. These people were my peers......not my leaders.

Any volunteer may be dismissed at any time and/or program cancelled at sole discretion of those charged with oversight. Hey.....shmoe Snap to it bud.....corps time is 10 minutes early, in your seat. You've got 30 seconds to throw on your tie and jacket and get your butt in that seat. 20 seconds............10 seconds...........you made it! BUT...................you forgot your bible. I hold sole discretion...........you failed. Hit the road jack!

Translation: Your life is not your own....you sign up, we own you. If we wake you at 2am to check your spiritual perception and awareness, then you need to be ready and willing. We take this program seriously.....and if you can't handle the truth, then there's the door. It's our way or the highway.....chump.

Even in my glazed-days.......I REFUSED to swallow this. Never endorsed it. Never taught it. Never promoted it.

Reminds me.....in 1994, R0d M@rtindale, craig's dad, asked me, "Why are they (twi) running off all the good people?" His statement was one that I'd pondered many times before......but refused to address its cancerous state. Run, Coloradoans........RUN.

Did I say anything about money? Reread my post.