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"I contend that wierwille's "career accomplishments" had 3 segments: 16 years on church payroll.....in Payne and Van Wert, Ohio [1941-1957] 14 years struggling to build a following and pay the bills [1958-1972] 10 years of exceeding growth, prosperity and adulation [1972-1982] It wasn't until March 1972.....when wierwille swooped in and grabbed Doop's and Hefner's ministry work......that transformed twi into a youth movement. Mrs. Wierwille's book documents the struggles and challenges. Even people who sat in wierwille's live classes in 1961, 1962, 1963, etc......did NOT stick. They sat thru his class, but then went back to their church. Time and again, wierwille pleads in his mailing list to stay faithful to his ministry and TITHE WEEKLY. Even when pfal was filmed in 1967, wierwille was struggling mightily to stay ahead of the bills for the studio, lighting, furniture. Some regard "The Red Thread" as one of wierwille's best teachings......yet, it was plagiarized from Rev. Oral Roberts. Was wierwille so spiritually bankrupt that even at the tail end of his ministry years he still had to plagiarize from others? Yep. Stolen teachings. Stolen classes. Stolen glory." ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Twi-gatekeepers CLAIM that wierwille's ministry (i.e. The Way, Inc.) started in October 1942.........yeah, we've all heard the absurd Youth Chimes Caravan fabricated starting point. At the time, wierwille was entrenched in the denominational church structure and had no inkling of a class-based ministry that would evolve from Leonard's class in 1953. Narcissists can't give credit to others where credit is due. BUT....30 years later, wierwille was STILL STRUGGLING to gain a following!!! How can this be? Why does there have to be subversion and coercion? As these events were told to some of us years ago who'd never heard them, victor and Del Duncan (??) barge into Doop's and Hefner's meetings mid-stride in a coup-like takeover ousting these men from their positions. Few people know these dirty tricks from vpw.....(and where is DWBH to set the facts straight ). Wierwille had made an agreement with Doop and Hefner: Send 15% abundant sharing to headquarters each month. You keep 85% of these contributions in your area/state for operation expenses. Since this thread is about Twi-gatekeepers no longer able to contain the secrets......Jim Doop's last post is here for all to see. Originally posted by jimdoop: Since it's my birthday, I would like to make a brief note. I turned 68 today- the same age as Victor when he passed away. I made my stand against him when he went back on his word and changed what he had taught me and many others. THAT was when the love and grace went out of his ministry. He set himself as the MAN OF GOD, and stopped acknowledging other men of God's contributions to his spiritual development. I saw this coming in 1969. 1971 was when I heard his plan-how he was going to take over the states rights of all the fellowships, and he was going to control all of the states and their MONEY. (That is, was, and always will be the root of ALL evil.) I was receiving more money into THE WAY WEST then he was at headquarters. The agreement was that I-"THE WAY WEST" would send H.Q. 15% each month, for abundant sharing each month. I did this every month. I kept my word. I had spent 15 years in the "real world", and had learned enough to know that people lie, cheat, and steal. Victor was so sincere that I gave him a chance to prove himself. I believe that is what most of us did. As things worked out, he failed. His word wasn't any good. He taught one thing and did another. All of are hearts have been broken-but not by God. His Word is always faithful. His Word is always truth. His promises work just as well today as they always have for getting the rent or house payment paid. Please all of you keep your brain and heart on God's Word. He loves us and will always bring us to victory. Filled with the power of the HOLY SPIRIT. we THE BELIEVERS, have been given enormous power in this age of DARKNESS. Be prepared. LOVE GOD AND YOUR FAMILY OF GOD. Thanks for putting up with me, and I hope you heard my message. We cannot expect any help from anyone other then from GOD. If you know of anything better, please contact me, .. at jddpp@yahoo.com Serving Him, Jimmy Doop. 2005, September 8th. .
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"So, looking back.....what do I see?.......the 1970 growth spurt in twi was all manufactured." What else do I see? Hyperbolic titles were attributed to vpw and his inner circle of enablers Histrionics were part and parcel to demonizing all who left twi ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Clearly, vpw was enamored with titles......it fed his narcissistic personality disorder. As an ordained minister, Payne and Van Wert, Ohio victor was a reverend to his congregations. In denominational circles, this designation was proper.....but when wierwille sought a doctorate in 1948 from a degree-mill outfit in Colorado (Pikes Peak Seminary in Manitou Springs, CO) his climb to this narcissistic summit was underway. Did the Van Wert congregation need a "Dr. Wierwille" more than they needed a Rev. Wierwille to pastor their flock? LOL After stealing B.G. Leonard's class in 1953, wierwille began teaching this class in the Van Wert Church basement. For nearly 14 years, wierwille traveled from city to city teaching this foundational class. So, with the 1967 filming of pfal.....wierwille signed off by saying, "....just write The Teacher." Add another 4-7 years (1971)....and wierwille is "The man of God." And, at big events he was introduced as the Founding President of The Way International (which he was.... albeit, its "founding" had a stolen class in the secret closet). Add another 9-11 years (1981).....and wierwille notched up to "Father in the Word." So, if you took pfal.....wierwille "fathered you in the Word?" LOL Same hyperbole was dealt to those who left twi. Most especially, these slanders were reserved for way corps leaders. Behind closed doors, the histrionics elevated rapidly on a scale of 1-10. If the corps person was a major player....(region guy, trunk leader, bodyguard or department coordinator).... then the fireworks began!! Wierwille's favorite detested slander was "cop-out." When this confrontation in the heat of the moment was witnessed by others, wierwille was inject the "possessed" label.....and name the "spirit" (i.e. lying spirit, deceiving spirit). Notably, ANYONE who was abandoning wierwille's ministry was being "deceived by a spirit." No big-name corps leader was allowed to walk away from twi without slander.....without character assassination. Martindale labeled Chris Geer with having 6 (SIX) daimon spirits....the big guys, the commanding spirits over others. In those Galatian teachings, later renamed the Leadership Tapes.....lcm went thru the list of these daimon spirits, one-by-one. Those who opposed "dr. wierwille" had spirits, or spiritual influence Corps that abandoned twi were cop-outs, possessed Major church denominational leaders were "Seed Men" Geer, Lynn, Shroyer, others......deceiving spirits, etc. Generic slanders on corps......he/she was "worldly" If you don't heed instruction, God won't spit in your direction Grease spots by midnight Perhaps, someone could refresh my memory on "grease spots by midnight".......IIRC, it came into twi's lexicon around 1995 (when many decided to exit twi after martindale/reynolds claimed that *the word was over the world.*) Seemingly, it contained fear hysteria......if you leave twi, then you are OUTSIDE the protection of God's Household. Something of that nature, right? Grease spot by midnight = road kill Hyperbolic attributes to Vic, Harry, Ermal, Dotsie, Dorothy, Rhoda, George Jess, Mal George, etc. Histrionics leveled at ALL those leaders and lieutenants who abandoned wierwille and twi. Cult Indoctrination 101 .
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"Whatever you call this conditioning and controlling technique.......1) Spiritual Abuse, 2) Total Thought Reform (Lifton book), 3) Pavlov's Dog Conditioning, 4) Cult Indoctrination, 5) Dark Persuasion, or 6) Mass Formation ..... the result was the same." Studies suggest that mass formation follows a general distribution: 30% are brainwashed, hypnotized, indoctrinated by the group narrative 40% in the middle are persuadable and may follow if no worthy alternative is perceived 30% fight against the narrative. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Could it be that all that *1970's growth and prosperity in twi* was Mass Formation Psychosis? The youth were targeted, because their minds (until age 25) are not yet equipped with critical thinking analysis skills. Seemingly, wierwille and his lieutenants installed "leaders" ages 26-32 over us 20 year olds......to keep marching us forward!! The 30% highly indoctrinated (or opportunistic) leaders amongst us kept the peer pressure on the middle 40% followers. Then, there were a percentage (30%?) of wait-just-a-dad-gum-minute-that's-not-right group. Anyone who was paying attention knows that each year after corps graduation......dozens of their fellow-corps slipped away and didn't attend the next year's rock of ages. Yet, the top-tier 30% kept marching forward. Mass Formation Psychosis. The collective mass of energized youth committed to get "The Word over the world." Each stage of this psychosis was elevated to another higher stage. The only way mass formation psychosis works is by consistently moving to another stage.....or, by moving the goal posts. During the martindale era.....when "word over the world" was no longer viable, suddenly we were to enter The Prevailing Word stage of growth. Adding to this mass formation, we were to be Living Sanctified (no more old wineskins, no more pfal material). By 1996 or so, we were to be "Prevailing: Crossing the Bridge into the Promised Land." Each year.....another manufactured goal to achieve. So, looking back.....what do I see?.......the 1970 growth spurt in twi was all manufactured. .
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Although gatekeepers might still try to put wierwille back on a pedestal......he was a deeply flawed, narcissistic opportunist. All of the incremental steps of his plagiarist past were largely revealed by Mrs. Wierwille's book, Born Again to Serve. Unwittingly, this 1996 book was written to elevate vpw's legacy did the opposite. This was an unforced error by the Indoctrination Central Command at HQ. ~~~~~~~~~ Long gone are the days when wierwille could hide behind the mask of revisionist history. Anyone who wants to know details, timelines, and hard-hitting facts can research the past. Mrs. Wierwille's book, Born Again to Serve, gives us plenty to dispel the myths. Tragedy, sadness and death at the wierwille farm [p.12] Vpw disliked conformity of riding school bus....got a motorcycle in high school [p.16] The wierwilles married in secret to bypass seminary code regulations [p.28] On July 6, 1941....vpw installed as minister for St. Jacob's Evangelical and Reformed Church in Payne, Ohio [p.33] In June 1944, wierwilles move to Van Wert, Ohio....bigger church, St. Peter's Evangelical and Reformed Church [p.45] Wierwille attends E. Stanley Jones Ashram in North Carolina....in July 1944 [p.48] On July 28, 1948....wierwille gets "doctorate" from degree-mill Pikes Peak Seminary in Manitou Springs, Colorado [p.67] In February 1953....vpw sits thru B.G. Leonard's class "The Gifts of the Spirit" in Calgary, Alberta [p.91] Etc. etc...... Wierwilles leave the denominational church in August 1957 [p.216] On December 19, 1957.....wierwilles run first meeting of "The Way, Inc." [p.219] Back in the 70's.......wierwille bloviated over his calling, accomplishments, credentials, etc. but a thorough study shows the real picture. Incrementally and strategically, wierwille was an opportunist. He utilized plagiarism, a degree-mill seminary, and a stolen class to gain a small portion of accreditation. Yet, even then.......adults were not easily fooled by these tactics. Thus, wierwille's target was the youth. Once off the church payroll, wierwille struggled immensely for nearly 15 years [1957-1972] to garner a following. I contend that wierwille's "career accomplishments" had 3 segments: 16 years on church payroll.....in Payne and Van Wert, Ohio [1941-1957] 14 years struggling to build a following and pay the bills [1958-1972] 10 years of exceeding growth, prosperity and adulation [1972-1982] It wasn't until March 1972.....when wierwille swooped in and grabbed Doop's and Hefner's ministry work......that transformed twi into a youth movement. Mrs. Wierwille's book documents the struggles and challenges. Even people who sat in wierwille's live classes in 1961, 1962, 1963, etc......did NOT stick. They sat thru his class, but then went back to their church. Time and again, wierwille pleads in his mailing list to stay faithful to his ministry and TITHE WEEKLY. Even when pfal was filmed in 1967, wierwille was struggling mightily to stay ahead of the bills for the studio, lighting, furniture. Some regard "The Red Thread" as one of wierwille's best teachings......yet, it was plagiarized from Rev. Oral Roberts. Was wierwille so spiritually bankrupt that even at the tail end of his ministry years he still had to plagiarize from others? Yep. Stolen teachings. Stolen classes. Stolen glory. So, really......only about 10 years of a thriving ministry until wierwille retired in October 1982 and handed the reins over to Martindale. When wierwille stepped off-stage.....the power conflicts began in earnest. Subtle at first.....but nonetheless, they were there. The top-tier leaders were staking their claims to their regions. Geer was in Europe. Former corps coordinators had gained measurable influence. Wierwille died and twi splintered a hundred ways. Research the facts.......stop the indoctrination. .
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Thanks DogLover..... This link details vpw's claims in Mrs. Wierwille's book, Born Again to Serve..... Black Snowstorm p. 42 & 43 After all this activity and reaching out to learn more, I must know to satisy my inner yearning. And so I stood in my newly rented office and prayed to the Father. "Father, teach me the Word, teach me the Word." He told me as plain as day that if I would study the Word, He would teach me the Word like He had not been able to teach it to anybody since the first century. And, of course, at that time I thought, "Now that's a dandy. Boy, if I learned this Word of God, everybody will listen to me. The whole church will be blessed; my denomination will grow by leaps and bounds because we'll have the Word of God." And I thought that was terrrific. But during the process of that revelation, I said, "Father, how will I know that this is You and that You'll really teach it to me? Because I had worked the Word in commentaries and the rest of it, and I couldn't understand it, couldn't get it to fit. And the sun was shining brightly. It was in the fall of the year. Gorgeous. There wasn't a cloud in the sky. And just on the inside of me it seemed to say, "Well, just say to the Father, "Well, if it'll just snow right now, you'll just know that this is God talking to you.'" Cause you see. I'd never had much experience with God's talking to me. And this business of His saying to me, just as audibly as I am speaking to you, that He'd teach me the Word if I'd teach it, sort of shook me. I'd been expecting to hear from heaven for a long time, but I hadn't heard that way before. Oh, my ears were perhaps clogged up. Since that time I've heard a lot of things from Him. And I said, "Lord, to know that this is true, I'd like to see it snow." And I opened my eyes, and it was pitch-black, almost pitch-black outside, and the snow was falling so thick. I have never seen it fall that thick since that day. And I sat in that little office, and I cried like a baby. Because I guess it was about my time to cry because I'd grown up but I didn't know the Word. And from that day on since He promised He'd teach me the Word, I have tried with all my heart to learn this Word. .
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"So, how did Wierwille gain control over his followers....." That continues to be an interesting question. From 1958-1966, when wierwille was traveling from city to city, teaching pfal classes live (in-person)......most everyone after finishing this class went back to their home-church. The percentage of people who dropped their associations and support system to follow wierwille's ministry were miniscule. Through all of his failures, wierwille adapted: When technology advanced, wierwille got pfal filmed on 16mm (1967) Invited youth to come and stay at Summer School Camps (longer, extended access) Built a system of hierarchy.....peers leading novice peers Target the youth. Camps, music, night owls, rock of ages festivals. First corps training was a failure. "Zero Corps." More adjustments. Corps training at HQ. Whatever you call this conditioning and controlling technique.......1) Spiritual Abuse, 2) Total Thought Reform (Lifton book), 3) Pavlov's Dog Conditioning, 4) Cult Indoctrination, 5) Dark Persuasion, or 6) Mass Formation ..... the result was the same. Much like hypnosis......the focus was on one thing for an extended time!! Focus on pfal material.....over and over and over again. Sit thru this class again and again. Become class instructor and lead others thru this process. Go WOW..... run pfal classes. Go corps.... and first 6 weeks were pfal material. Then, isolated from society as a whole and indoctrinated .... the corps objective was to FOCUS on wierwille, the cult leader. Unbridled adulation of wierwille on corps campuses and at hq. The corps graduates were then sent forth to help anchor this mass formation hypnosis: Wierwille was THE man of God. No matter how many times, or ways GSC posters dismantle the absurdity of twi's claim of victor paul wierwille as The Teacher, The Man of God, Father in the Word, or "Dr. Wierwille".......the hypnotic trance of hundreds (thousands?) is not shaken. THAT is some powerful voodoo that many of us experienced. .
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"When did twi's stranglehold on wierwille's mog-status, impact and legacy lose its grip? Did the stranglehold cease when many clergy/corps dissented and exited in late '70s or early '80s? Did the stranglehold cease when wierwille died in May 1985? Did the stranglehold cease when geer read "The Patriarch" paper at corps week, 1986? Did the stranglehold cease when lynn and others wrote that 37-page proclamation? Did the stranglehold cease with an exodus of a reported 80% of corps leadership? Did the stranglehold cease when dozens of splinter groups started preaching "the truth?" When did the stranglehold cease? Well......imo, the stranglehold ceased when twi-gatekeepers could NO LONGER control the message or contain the secrets. The leaders (cough, cough) who exited en masse after "the poop paper propaganda" did very little to release the wierwille-the-man-of-God vise grip. The geer camp kept beating the same drum. The lynn camp did better.....but just seemed to sidestep the wierwille doctrine/legacy in many ways. What about the finn3gan camp? The summ3rville camp? Others? The shr0yer camp seemed to embrace the wierwille doctrine more closely.....of which, the two younger wierwille kids hitched a ride to keep the embers glowing? The stranglehold was BROKEN when Waydale in April 1999 took the fight directly at Martindale and twi. The full onslaught of punches caught martindale/twi off guard and in a defensive posture. Pa-ul All3n hit them with an uppercut that left them staggering to find the ropes. From a position of husband-rage and legal strength, this man went on a relentless, 18-hours a day, flurry of punches that staggered the corporate "giant." Month after month, the scandalous secrets poured forth on Waydale. Twi mandated that their followers stay off the internet and, it didn't take long before martindale had to publically admit to this "consensual affair." Twi knew that Waydale was, indeed, a formidable foe. .....snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ After the *1986 Corps Exodus* ...... lots of those EX-corps coordinators went forth to start splinter groups and initiate the SAME CLASSES AND PATTERNS that they learned from wierwille. After the *2016 Corps Exodus* ...... four of those EX-corps coordinators went forth to start splinter groups and initiate the SAME CLASSES AND PATTERNS that they learned from wierwille. See the pattern? That's why Waydale/GSC has been INVALUABLE to setting the captives free. .
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Thanks WordWolf.....yep, no mention in pfal of "God talking to him audibly." Wierwille slips it in the backdoor ...... thru the corps indoctrination program. He tells (fabricates this story out of whole cloth) this contrived story to the corps....something that he didn't even tell his wife the day it (supposedly) happened (cough, cough). Then, telling it decades later....to *notch his greatness on a higher peg* for unbridled adulation from his loyalist corps and followers. Yeah, right. The story was told in different versions..... wierwille was lying and couldn't keep his own "facts" straight.
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Wierwille was a man of many secrets. And thus, plenty of things needed hidden or guarded from public view. Not only did he build a ministry (cough, cough) based on lies.....he strategically implemented a series of tactics through the years to cover his tracks. The foundational class and class-based ministry work was B.G. Leonard. Wierwille utilized cunning strategy to distance himself from all his plagiarized sources. The class was NOT enough. Wierwille fabricated a story wherein God's audible voice told him to "teach the Word." Preemptive strikes were inserted in pfal to keep students from questioning wierwille's integrity or doctrine. The corps training was an indoctrination program.....isolation, intimidation, immersion, indoctrination, idolization. Corps were taught the "lockbox theorem"...... sworn to keep things (seductive, sordid, scandalous) secret. Salted vows to wierwille's ministry .... for the rest of your life. No. Matter. What. Corps coordinators were the "salt blocks" of the salted..... knowing of wierwille's / martindale's sexual predation. Gatekeepers have ALWAYS BEEN NEEDED...... wierwille was a man of many secrets. Anyone and everyone who had ever tried to confront wierwille was quickly sniffed out as a "spiritual enemy." The status of the individual was the determining factor on which method to use. In the case of the *great theologian on the other side of the English Channel* (in pfal)......why, wierwille wouldn't waste his time trying to discuss (debate) the guy. Ole wierwille "had forgotten more of the word that that guy ever knew." Dismissed....swatted away (just like that). B.G. Leonard had lots right, but his written communication skills were awful (in other words, not qualified to lead others). And, those spiritual leaders at that Tulsa Convention were "great men".....but they couldn't lead wierwille into speaking in tongues. See. The. Pattern. ?? At age 51, when wierwille filmed pfal..... he had learned how to be cunning and crafty. Wierwille was a plagiarist and a phony. He had to have enablers and gatekeepers to protect him. Men with genuine ministries do NOT need gatekeepers (1. a person or persons in charge to control passage through it; 2. any person or thing that controls access or otherwise regulates). Keeping the Secrets: How many in the inner sanctum knew the secrets? How many categories of secrets are there? 1) History of "The False Teacher" (he was a plagiarist, thru and thru), 2) Bloviated India Mission Trip (Dr. I.S. Williams was host and opened all the doors, wierwille spoke for 15-20 minutes at Jain Convention, no major results from this ego-trip), 3) Wierwille's sexual predation (how many enablers knew? -- trustees? wives? corps coordinators, bodyguards? procurers? harem? seductresses? etc?), 4) Wierwille was an alcoholic.....heavy drinker, 5) Wierwille was a misogynist....even makes a couple of derogatory remarks towards women in pfal, 6) Wierwille was a striker and a bully.... which disqualified him [I Timothy 3], 7) Wierwille wasn't a "research guy"..... Walter Cummins and twi's research team were penned in by pfal-confinements, 8) Secrets Etcetera.....in other words, wierwille was NOT "the" (or "a") man of God that The Way International claimed he was. Secrets throughout his life. Secrets to this day. Yet, twi made a bone-headed mistake. They allowed Mrs. Wierwille to write Born Again to Serve.....and she gave a detailed history of ALL THE MEN WHO TAUGHT WIERWILLE and were instrumental in his growth. Unwittingly, she unveiled a swath of secrets. Years ago, I delved into this topic.....Twi-Gatekeepers ended with Waydale/GSC. With the internet, twi will NEVER be the same. Lots and lots of secrets are exposed for all to see. The gatekeepers cannot control the information. Splinter groups, led by complicit corps coordinators, cannot cover the tracks of a false teacher (trying to peddle his wares). The corrupt gatekeepers would like to CONTROL THE ACCESS OF THIS INFORMATION......but they can't. Corrupt gatekeepers are hirelings.....wanting to fleece the sheep some more. .
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Why I Wrote My Story -- "Insanity on Steroids"
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Thanks chockfull. As we embark on another new year......once again, so thankful the doors of GSC are still open. . -
Why I Wrote My Story -- "Insanity on Steroids"
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Here is another insightful snippet of one's story .... How TWI disarmed me . -
Why I Wrote My Story -- "Insanity on Steroids"
skyrider replied to skyrider's topic in About The Way
Rocky.....Handmaid's Tale clip ends showing 12-16 women sleeping side-by-side in a big bedroom. LOL [Just like corps training and sleeping in Owens Hall.....except we had bunk beds.] Gawd....it seems unbelievable to me that after THREE DECADES beyond wierwille's death.......corps sh1t-coordinators are STILL preaching the praise-be-to-vic-doctrine-of-dependency. OMG........brain dead or evil conspirators. Wierwille taught Cult 101........group sessions, group classes, group meetings, group meals, group couselling, group weddings, etc. Then, at the end of the day, when all were sent away......he had one-on-one sexual predation with "invited" corps girls who were ambushed in his motor coach. . -
Why I Wrote My Story -- "Insanity on Steroids"
skyrider replied to skyrider's topic in About The Way
Corps indoctrination could not have happened without..........ISOLATION. Isolated from all outside support Isolated from friends, family, community Isolated from other reading material, news Isolated from other entertainment, sports, involvement Ongoing classes, meetings and groups.....even "after-glow" meetings Mandatory attendance for all classes, work and meals Group bedrooms in Owens Hall had up to 18 men per room No privacy, no closet space to speak of No way to lock your own bedroom door (or anything else) Gee, seems more like detention......or prison Surprise inspections to violate privacy....(checking drawers) The corps "training" targeted the youth in multiple ways..........we were a CAPTIVE audience. -
Why I Wrote My Story -- "Insanity on Steroids"
skyrider replied to skyrider's topic in About The Way
Depending on the depth of pain and trauma of one's twi-experience.....coming forward, and telling one's story can be extremely challenging. For me, it took years to piece together twi's subtle power of spiritual abuse. The MOG-doctrine ..... wierwille engineered a circle of enablers to promote him as "the man of God." PFAL class .... was hailed as THE class that taught all the keys to biblical research and how to walk with God. WOW commitment ..... removed you from support systems of family, friends, coworkers, further education goals, etc. Way Corps Training .... an indoctrination program that resulted in *a covenant of salt* to wierwille's ministry thru lifetime. Way Corps Commitment .... you can NEVER leave your "salted commitment" or God will remove His protection. Ongoing, Weekly Corps Meetings .... who signed up to attend weekly corps meetings FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE? Overlords / Tyrants .... twi's directors will NOT allow corps to retire without slandering their "failure to stop twi-servitude." . -
Why I Wrote My Story -- "Insanity on Steroids"
skyrider replied to skyrider's topic in About The Way
Although many are reluctant to go into length and depth on their story......older threads contain snippets. Whether in the form of humor, sarcasm or irony (etc.)........they give us a glimpse of what happened. You know you are in a cult if -
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Thanks Rocky. I need to check it out. -
Why I Wrote My Story -- "Insanity on Steroids"
skyrider replied to skyrider's topic in About The Way
Thanks Charlene. Having spent all these years on Waydale and GreaseSpot starting thread after thread (300-400?)......I decided that it was time to piece together in chronological order my thoughts and twi-experiences of those last 10 years before exiting (escaping). Of course, I had to reach back into the "wierwille-days" and wierwille doctrine to give the full meaning and impact of how it evolved into the cult that it is today. While writing my experience, I was becoming frustrated and impatient. Although there were no time constraints on my postings, I was pressuring myself to keep pace with daily posts. It was grueling and.....knowing that I really needed to reach back and detail my deprogramming experience....gripped me with an emotional turmoil and trauma. For nearly 35 years, I had locked away those painful memories of being held captive against my will. Even with my postings, I doubt that I've conveyed the deep significance that it harbored my personal core. But the chewy caramel center of Insanity on Steroids was the three-years of ongoing mandates to full-time corps. Martindale did not trust the corps to lead without his constant barking. Since all corps were on payroll.....this gave the cult extra-ordinary control over the corps, the employees. In weekly corps meetings, verbal abuse ensued and our privacy (via written reports) was being invaded down to 15-minute time intervals. Insane. Anywho......here's hoping others, with less pain, will tell their stories. Your book Undertow is a riveting account and great read. . -
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Thanks T-Bone.......I took your suggestion and put info on About Me profile. You, Rocky, WordWolf, Waysider, Chockfull, OldSkool and others......sure give me lots of good information to read. Thanks. -
Why I Wrote My Story -- Insanity on Steroids Five years ago, I put in writing here at GSC my experiences from those last ten years with The Way International. The reasons why I wrote my story were.....1) to send a warning to all those involved in twi and others considering taking classes from this cult, 2) an attempt to differentiate between Scripture-based Christians and twi's lockstep loyalty of servitude, and 3) to expose twi's incremental steps to overthrow one's will and consent. There are no fences with concertina wire to hold them prisoners, but there are very-real doctrines of fear and deception interlocking to prevent escape. Insanity on Steroids The strongholds of twi's prison are constantly praised and enforced by 1) Twi's MOG-doctrine and 2) the pfal class. In twi-mythology, wierwille was "the man of God" (to the whole world) who was called to teach the word like it hadn't been known since the first century. Secondly, the pfal class contained the essence of "the Word" that students were to stand on and never allow anyone to talk them out of it. Both elements, like rebar and concrete......keep twi's foundation "solid." No twi-imprisonment would be possible without the way corps.......like guards and walls, to keep the inmates from escaping into nearby communities, jobs/careers and family. Wierwille devised the corps program knowing that his (stolen) pfal class was not enough to keep people involved.....enforcers would be needed to keep them marching forward. Why was Martindale chosen as the second President of The Way International? What did wierwille say was the reason for choosing him? I have often cited that wiewille's corps leaders were abandoning him as early as 1978. Thus, he began to write "personal" corps letters in an attempt to strengthen that corps household bond. It didn't work. More and more corps were waking up to the fact that this "lifetime of Christian service" was in reality a life of twi-servitude. And, underneath the surface.....many corps were making plans of their own. When wierwille died in 1985, the full measure of that seething pot came to a boil. Let the splintering begin. Martindale was chosen to lead twi, according to wierwille.....because he ALWAYS OBEYED. Full stop. Period. Wierwille gave no other explanation......and THAT should have sent chills down our spines in 1981. According to vpw, martindale wouldn't ask how high he was to jump, he just jumped. Always. That was the criteria for being chosen as the cult's ..... twi's next president. · Geer took measures to undermine and sabotage twi's trustees. · Martindale seemed to actually believe he was the new "man of God." · Don and Howard wanted to keep the trains (and money) rolling in. · Rosalie (and Donna) were cunningly planning a coup. · John Lynn and others saw opportunities to start splinter groups. With Geer's paper, The Passing of a Patriarch, it is quite easy to see the bold strokes of a power-grab. Wierwille's death caused a flurry of activity and now, Martindale's peers were not going to accept his leadership as Chief Bottle Washer. Tumultuous times ensued and an euphemism "the fog years" was inserted to describe those ugly, back-stabbing years. No matter which leader or ex-leader you chose to associate with......they ALL had the baggage of cult-doctrine. Corps leaders, all of them, had gone thru an indoctrination program. Perhaps, the best choice would have been to keep one's distance for at least 10 years and see where the chips fall. I did not make that smart choice. I chose to stay involved with twi......and hence, those 10 years seeing Insanity on Steroids. Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. With hindsight 20/20.....all of us here at GSC know now each choice involving Corps Leadership or Ex-Corps Leadership was fraught with error. Some of us chose to stand with martindale. Some chose geer. Some chose lynn. Some went back to a local church. Some chose to be left alone (smart choice). Thankfully, I only stayed until 1998. Other corps, and many corps coordinators (Moynihans, Forts, Horneys, Magnellis)......stayed until 2016/2017. Another 18 years being micro-managed by Rosalie Fox Rivenbark!!! And, one of the things that I find so amazing is that NOT ONE OF THESE CORPS LEADERS (cough, cough) have come clean. They STILL actively follow the path of wierwille-doctrine giving (subtle) allegiance to wierwille and his plagiarized teachings. With that in mind.....it makes it all the more important that our stories are out there!!! Splinter leaders are no different that their mother-cult. Same indoctrination path to idolatry. · How many have heard our warnings and changed course? · Lives, marriages, families, and careers have gained stronger footing. · Body blows have been given to twi and splinter groups. · Possibly, hundreds of thousands abs (millions?) have alluded twi's grasp. · Even 100s of indoctrinated corps have bailed in the past 15 years. · GreaseSpot Cafe continues to ROCK.....woohoo!!! Five years later, all the aspects of my life are better. Actually, pretty damn good (knock on wood). My critical thinking skills have skyrocketed and I spot manipulation and bullschit a mile away. I can't imagine what my life would be like had I not taken that challenging LEAP TO FREEDOM. Nor, can I imagine the hurt, guilt, and limitations that it would have imposed on our kids. Thank God for the scales falling from my eyes. Cults herd people into a chasm of dependency......mentally, physically, socially, and financially. They prey on your weakness and close the gates to your escape. Sure, you're around other "like-minded" sheep/cattle.....but are you being prepared for the slaughterhouses? Cults thrive on dependency and silence. Subjugating and institutionalizing people are their hallmarks of oppression. Those corps leaders who remain silent are complicit in the evil. So, keep telling your stories. .
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BUMP ********** Here at GSC, we've thoroughly discussed wierwille's theft (plagiarism) of B.G. Leonard's foundational class and Bullinger's work......but we rarely delve into E.W. Kenyon's work. Clearly, Kenyon was a strong proponent of "the integrity of the Word"......a phrase that wierwille liked to take "ownership" of often. LOL. And, I find it very intriguing that Peter J. Wade, Editor of The Way Magazine (1967-1970), disassociated with wierwille's twi in the early '70s and went back to Australia. Whereupon, he starts his own ministry work and, decades later, pays tribute to the great man E.W. Kenyon. Also, in the early '70s......Kenyon's works were promoted and sold in The Way's bookstore. But.....when twi's collateral books had chapters augmented (reworded) from Kenyon's works, his books were no longer promoted. See how that works?
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Speaking of the "glory days" in twi..... Here is a link to some twi-history.......that none of us young bucks knew back in the day. This link gives insight into the summer school camps in the 1960s and some of the reasons, Peter J. Wade......wierwille's right-hand man......left. A couple of questions about vpw .
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Wierwille started writing his "Corps Letters" in 1977........BECAUSE he needed to establish another avenue of *control and guilt* from corps grads abandoning him and his grifting "ministry" (cough, cough). Lest we forget...... corps grads WERE SEEING THE RUSE and leaving in the mid to late 70s. Peter Wade split out in 1975 and started his own splinter group. Anyone who wants to delve into the details in these GSC threads can see that "the wierwille mystique" was unraveling by 1977, 1978..... and twi began to initiate other in-house measures to keep dissenters away. Also, lots of good twig coordinators around the country were being pushed out by "newly-trained way corps" who came into those areas and strong-armed people, leaving destruction in their wake. The Way Ministry went thru a massive transformation, basically from 1975-1978, and was centralizing power and control at "headquarters." Soon, there was even suggested (mandated) Monthly "teaching themes" that were to be taught in each twig. Where did the **Christ-in-you** inspiration (in-spirit-action) go?????? Anywho.......lots of things, folks. Read wierwille's Corps Letters ..... Wierwille's Corps Letters P.S. This file is mislabeled. These corps letters are NOT the same as "Corps Household NEWSLETTERS." .
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Yep......that is a *kind* assessment. After 23 years of post-twi acknowledging how abusive, exploitive, dysfunctional and pathetic The Way International was and is ...... there is no way that I can use euphemisms regarding Wierwille's narcissism and pathologies to deceive others. The Way International was/is a cult, because wierwille was a lazy, plagiarist, predator and profiteer. The whole marketing scheme was "get butts in chairs for classes and big events and fleece their money thru guilt." Since PFAL '77..... big event after big event as the cult leader, wierwille, pontificates and rehashes B.G. Leonard's (and Bullinger's) material. Wierwille was a fraudster. He talked big, but behinds the scenes the con was in full gear. Enablers stocked his motor coach with Drambuie and his aides, bodyguards, became procurers inviting select young corps girls to wierwille's lair, motor coach. Sick, twisted, destructive evil. So, no.....I have NO euphemisms for wierwille's "leadership and ministry." Outreach Beyond vpw's congregation ```` The Six Stages of Wierwille's Climb to Power ```` At this stage of the game......I assert that twi's directors and splinter group leaders RIDE THE COATTAILS OF WIERWILLE, because it's the *only game* that gives them access to gullible pfal-followers. In a galaxy far, far away......a generation of youth became mesmerized with a cult of personality. Like a fish caught on a line, the "believer" was reeled into the net. There was subliminal messaging throughout pfal...... once you hear "the Word" (wierwille's 33-hrs of pfal rehashing), DO NOT ALLOW anyone to ever talk you out of it. No matter that wierwille couldn't walk the spiritual walk..... but instead smoked like a chimney, a drunkard, a striker, a bully, kept pornography, a serial plagiarist and sexual predator. Some people succumb to spiritual abuse and are institutionalized. Some people see the ruse and break those chains to gain freedom. .
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If anyone sees a follow-up news article on this.......let me know. Thanks. Two high profile athletes.......one unvaccinated, one fully vaccinated.......you'd THINK that our 24/7 news cycle of "journalism" would want to get the scoop on this, right? I'm sure everyone is SO BUSY running data points that no journalist has the time to follow-up on this. No fact checkers? Nothing? lol One.....Aaron Rodgers, uses a treatment that is not approved by the FDA and CDC......and only misses one football game. His covid treatment: Ivermectin, zinc, vitamin D3, etc. Shortly thereafter.....he's back on the football field and leads his Green Bay Packers to a shutout victory over Seattle Seahawks 17-0. Does everything have to be run thru the authoritarian institutions of FDA, CDC and Big Pharma? .
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Thanks again to GSC......for keeping this *Open Discussion* available. While others are censoring information.......GSC stands tall.