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  1. And....THAT has been the underlying mindset of twi since the '70s. YOU heard the word....and now, YOU are responsible for 'that word.' If you walk away from it, then you'll have to answer (to God) for it. And yes.....this was pfal, int, adv class "salting." The sprinkling started just after the food word was served. Imagine being a corps grad?!?.........upper twi elites despise corps grads who walked away from the salted-serving-twi a lifetime AND the non-corps types despise the corps for meddling with their lives, etc. Just seems like VERY FEW ever connect the dots back to wierwille/trustees. .
  2. Yeah....and alarm bells as the abuse intensifies. 1) Twi administers the salt covenant.....BEFORE GOD. 2) But to twi, that means.....you obey THEM. 3) Wierwille's lust, drunkenness, predation....YOU STILL MUST OBEY TWI. 4) Corps grads are on the hook to move EVERY THREE YEARS. 5) Wierwille dies of cancer.....trustees lie and say "he died of a broken heart." 6) Corps are supposed to swallow the lies, and silence any dissention. 7) Threat of mark & avoid......ON DISPLAY, EVERY CORPS MEETING. 8) Corps grads are to CONTINUE ALLEGIANCE.....as twi moves goal posts every year. 9) No debt, no mortgage, no career path that interfers with 4 twi mts/ week. 10) It doesn't matter how many decades you stand with twi....IT'S NOT ENOUGH. 11) Twi holds the microphone and can issue a character assassination any time they want. 12) At what point do you jump off this moving train??.......and roll away?? Wierwille was masterfully subtle. Martindale was boisterous and predictable. Rivenbark is cunning and calculating. Different tactics........same evil. .
  3. To me, the salt covenant represented the willing commitment of two individuals, or groups of individuals,.....before the throne of God. The scriptures and the context of today's reality was bottom-line principle on which to stand. And, in this case, twi could NOT order edicts to the corps or advanced class grads THAT THEY WOULD NOT LIVE BY. Twi could NOT sit on their hands, refusing to be "servant of all"......and EXPECT the corps to slave for them (twi). Absurd. Before God, the TWO commit. Obviously, twi's trustees acted as if THEY administered the "contract".....rather than, being subjected to hold up THEIR END of the salted commitment. Gee, its as if.....TWI WANTED TO PLAY GOD. <_<
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    Martindale redid all three classes....The Way of Abundance and Power 1996.....foundational 1997.....intermediate 1998.....advanced
  5. And....why does it seem like twi has perverted it to this? II Corruptives 13:13 (TWI) Don't you know that The Way International, the Gatekeeper of The Word, has given the True Ministry to Wierwille and his directors for deception by a seasoning of salt?
  6. TWI has been circling the drain for 25 YEARS......mass exodus, backbiting, false humility, demand for loyalty, legalism, lawsuits, cover-up, another exodus, region coordinator exits, ousting of martindale, kinder & gentler facelift, more mark&avoid, etc. How many RED FLAGS do they need to awaken from their slumber??? In spite of all this, its gut-wrenching to see the abuse....
  7. Maybe ole wierwille should have kept those five corps principles simple.... 1) Acquire 2) Receive 3) Physical 4) Practice 5) Go
  8. "The Butler Way" is a set of five principles that guide the team on and off the court. Passion. Unity. Servanthood. Humility. Thankfulness. In other words, team before all. 1) Passion 2) Unity 3) Servanthood 4) Humility 5) Thankfulness GO BUTLER -- GO DAWGS College basketball at its finest. Tonight's game --- "David vs Goliath" Rooting for the little guy.
  9. You must be running with a younger crowd.... :) ...most I know are pushing 60..
  10. Long gone are the twi-days of unbridled enthusiasm, the support is much more reined in. In fact, this "horse" is more like an old Shetland pony in a petting zoo. Over the weekend, I talked with someone STILL involved with twi.....and their support is much more reserved. Not wanting to venture into the church scene, they hang on to the same cliches, same mantra, same well-worn verses. But hey, its THEIR life.....not mine. And, although they speak of "supporting" twi......it seems to me, they just don't want to explore any beyond their comfort zone, their institutionalized version of "we've got the verd." Seems sorta silly, I know......but then, I do remember the mental anguish of breaking free from twi's bondage. With wierwille's voice pounding in my head...."you just stand on the word and don't let ANYONE talk you out of it." And, the circular chart means "never leave twi by succombing to deceivers." Yet......there is no more unbridled enthusiasm for all things twi and THEY KNOW IT. Even their kids, the next generation......DON'T WANT IT AND ARE HEADING TO GREENER PASTURES. And, the "shetland pony" doesn't detest the bridle....in fact, it adds comfort to his day.
  11. See...THAT'S the difference between twi and other organizations. CEOs of major corporations are always looking at the senses world, the numbers, the payroll, the budget. In twi....the trustees walk in believing, something 'the world' will never comprehend.
  12. Wierwille liked his Harleys......for sure. But I tend to believe that young wierwille wanted, more than anything, to be a respected and revered man in the New Knoxville community. According to Mrs. W's book, victor was greatly influenced by the Dr. L.H. Kunst who commanded the attention and respect of the German Reformed Church in New Knoxville. The book depicts a photo taken on "The Great Day of Dedication" -- August 19, 1894. Could it be that wierwille "wished" he'd been a man like Dr. Kunst? Did vpw "wish" he could walk about town and have the respect of businessmen, local politicians, and devout donors.....rather than shunned by the locals? Could it be that wierwille knew that his fawning followers were the product of manipulation and exploitation.....rather than bedrock principles and honored respect? Would a narcisstic man be content with a rag-tag youth movement and NOT the real levers of power in the community? IMO....Wierwille's "Rosebud" was to be a prominent Church Minister who wielded power and influence and a lasting legacy. He desired that his own father would respect his achievements. Even wierwille's "doctorate" was questionable....and he knew it. Looking for shortcuts and quick answers, he resorted to plagairism. In the end, wierwille had to face the man in the mirror and knew he failed.
  13. ....."never forget WHO taught him"... WHO?.....WIERWILLE Always about wierwille
  14. Looking back at twi... The arrogance to pledge loyalty to twi, salted to their marching orders,......and it was the DEATH OF WIERWILLE to stop the madness. The insanity of it all. Not just the trustees, but men like Cvmm!ns, T0wns3nd, G33r, and others refusing to address the sins, the sexual predation, the adultery "research" of JS. So, did wierwille's ministry become a reflection of WIERWILLE? Absolutely. Mantindale stated publicly that he got the presidential mantle from wierwille because he OBEYED IMPLICITLY. No questions asked. He jumped when wierwille commanded him to jump. Yes, twi became that insane! Think how deeply whacked that is?!? Then, when martindale is ousted because he "loosened up in the sex category" as WIERWILLE HAD COMMANDED HIM TO DO......rosalie take the helm and steers the ship back to all things wierwille. Huh? Really? The true meaning of insanity -- dolng the same things over and over again and expecting different results. I am convinced that twi's salt covenant was a sordid sin pact....and the officers following wierwille became two-fold the "children of hell."
  15. I couldn't agree more. Wierwille searched and searched......until he came across B.G Leonard's class in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. When wierwille stole this work and started up his own class-based ministry it gave him complete autonomy from the church model. Every step taken from then on.....was to strengthen this autonomy. The structure, the seclusion, the secrecy.....wierwille finally found his narcisstic niche.
  16. Religious leaders have been doing this since forever.....and people have been persecuted, at time, when trying to break free of their control. Here in the western culture, we have it mild compared to those who are attempting to break the bondage of Islamic clerics. Check out the link below. Scroll down and watch the video as she defends her position. Veena Malik
  17. Twi has NO POWER over anyone......unless they allow it. Their tactics are from the same playbook as tyrants and third world dictotors. Threats and thugocracy are the last desperate attempts at control. The curtain has been pulled back....and the "emporer" has NO CLOTHES.
  18. Yeah......absolutely! Twi preached on the "consequences of breaking the salt covenant"......as they wallow deeper into sins of adultery, covetousness, lying, pride, lust, deceiving, abusing, lording over, etc. So, the way ministry is higher than OBEYING GOD AND ESCHEWING EVIL? Riiight.... In the deep shadows of sin.....wierwille, martindale, don, howard, rosalie, donna and others have feigned godliness. Yet, the MASK slipped years ago....when lies, adultery, plagairism and deception came front and center! The con is over....and the testimonies continue to come forward. The waves of destruction keep lapping at the shore of reality. And, Rosalie.....might do well to remember Lot's wife, as she left Sodom & Gomorrah .....pillar of salt, remember? .
  19. Yeah....the salt commitment. Stay salted to twi....NO MATTER WHAT. Just like the closing of pfal class "stand on 'the word'" only notched higher! Stand as 'corps' for the rest of your life. Sexual abuse in twi?..........keep standing. Lies and exploitation.........keep standing. Hypocrisy rampant.............keep standing. Seducers and being seduced....keep standing. Yet, the scriptures say to REFRAIN FROM ALL APPEARANCE OF EVIL. TWI is a conduit for EVIL.
  20. There were lots of things in twi that I swallowed hook, line and sinker.... ....but the mog-doctrine was NOT one of them. Yeah, I felt intimidated and all.....but refused to peddle the mog-idolatry. Same thing today.....all those offshoot 'leaders' Same stuff / Different Day
  21. Yeah......things have really changed since the late 70s in-rez program -- nearly 33 years ago!! Wowsers....how time flies. And, Oldskool is referencing his years like 8 years ago. Imagine how small the operation is today? The first corps program had 9 students. How many are there today? 12? Back in the late 70s.....there were FIVE campuses of corps training. At Emporia, the inresidence groups were hitting the 325-student range. The Emporia campus was so crowded that TWO married couples were sharing ONE room. And, the elder corps on campus numbered around 150-170, or so. Not sure about the Indiana Campus, but it was crowded as well. Twi is a shell of its former self. Maybe, its Karma?
  22. The corps program was like an amalgamation of... 1) Wierwille Doctrine and Salesmanship 2) Salted to The Way International For Life 3) Corps Training synonymous with "Spiritual Marine Corps" 4) More Abundant Life Over Survival and Conspiracy Theories
  23. Broken Arrow.....your mention of "Rosebud" just might have hit closer to home than most think. For those who haven't seen the movie, Citizen Kane,....the search for "Rosebud" is on when Mr. Kane, an enormously weath media proprietor, whispers it in his dying breath. Wierwille moved his ministry operations back to the Wierwille Homestead in 1962. He reminisced his childhood years at many of those corps nightowls in the Way Woods. He and Harry worked together to restore and expand the wierwille house. He had the BRC built within walking distance of his parents' home. He had the barn restored and a focal point of way promotion brochures. He built his life's work on little or no legitimate research work (like Kanes' yellow journalism). He withdrew from public view and grudgingly faded in the spotlight of recognition. He planned and requested burial near the wierwille homestead, near his brother Harry. What was Wierwille's "Rosebud?"
  24. When I was in-rez.....5:30am teachings were scheduled at least two or three times per week. Of course, corps time was 10 minutes ahead, so one had to be heading up the stairs to wierwille library by 5:18am to be "righteous." Alarm clocks were set for 4:20, 4:30, 4:40, and 4:50am depending on one's preference. Imagine what it was like....trying to sleep after 4:20am as 18 men kept hitting those snooze buttons? Uugh. So....depending on one's bless patrol shift, I know there were times where the person never even went back to their bedroom to sleep. And, then......people wonder why some corps were head-bobbing or drooling during the teachings? or lunch? Sleep deprivation was common. And, don't forget those assigned prayer viguals when your twig got assigned 3:00am and the buddy-system to get everyone there on time.....haha
  25. Looking back......I think I was a rebel. Under my breath, I thought the whole concept was ridiculous. First of all, God was our protector.....not two groups of two walking around all night shivering during the winter. Secondly, why the heck didn't twi just hire a security service? I felt used. Here, I had worked a 4-hour shift during the day.....now, I have to be out here tonight? Ridiculous. .
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