skyrider

Yes....it is disturbing. And to think......twi staff, trustee wives, sell-outs, splinter-group leaders, etc. are DOING THE SAME THING.

Maybe it's just me.....but why do I always get the impression that your posts almost always distract from the topic, especially when the spotlight shines on the sins of wierwille? After all these years, johniam.....can you now SEE the evil of wierwille and his predatory ways? Can you possibly admit to yourself that the man was a wolf in sheeps' clothing? Can you shoulder the truth behind the wierwille-worship and the twi-cult?

And further......in connecting the dots, why men who worked alongside wierwille split out abruptly. Did they see things that were disturbing? The bodyguards, valets, pilots,......like when Ambassador One pilot J0hn R@ce left twi. It was sudden and wierwille fumed. How could wierwille's "bodyguards" witness and/or escort a number of late-night visits to the motorcoach and not speak out? Indoctrination....seduction.....a conscience seared with a hot iron.....boundaries were moved and violated....yeah, even these men were seduced to accept evil. And, really.....after decades, does one little teaching on adultery wash their sins away? Region men? Top clergy? Rivenbark? DonnaM?

In hindsight, all corps assignments are SUSPECT....and some were specifically assigned (availability, proximity) near the mog/trustee. Or, why did wierwille institute a "pajamas only" at Emporia's top floor wierwille library......in 20 minutes? Yeah, head back to your dorm room and return in 20 minutes in your pajamas, thus saith the "man of God." Why? What purpose does this serve? Or, the big-breasted corps girl assigned on her interim year to the Allen home? Or, a corps girl invited to ride on the motorcoach with wierwille? Rarily, if ever, did I hear a guy getting to ride on the motorcoach. Or, corps "promotions" offered or given (ie...bribe) to cover-up/silence. This is what martindale in his attempts to cover the 1998 adv. class sexcapade with a married corps woman.

Yep....wierwille cherry-picked verses that aligned with his "live as you fool please" lifestyle AND distorted other verses to obfuscate their true meaning. While he highlighted the NO CONDEMNATION aspect of the verse.....he would NOT clarify that being "in Christ Jesus" would clearly mean NO SINNING. IMO.....EVERYTHING wierwille ever taught was distorted to fit his self-serving and sinful lifestyle. Every vpw-teaching is suspect to perversive twists and turns to move boundaries and seduce. A false teacher does that.

What's it been?.....1995 or so, when twi hyped their "prevailing word" mantra? By 1996 or 1997, they changed the name of their auditorium to "The Victor Paul Wierwille Prevailing Word Auditorium." Well......it ain't PREVAILING, is it? They didn't cross over into the "land of milk and honey".....they didn't cross no bridge....they are STILL wandering in a dark, dreary wilderness. Some 15 years have passed.......and the people have noticed! Year after year, more are slipping out the side doors and back doors....few are entering the front door. And, even if some do.....they look around abit, and LEAVE. It's OBVIOUS......twi is a religion unto itself. The staff is aging and the excitement is waning. Some might even say its a frumpy, backwards, church-clique of old folks with little get-up-and-go. Oh, they talk a good speil, but the hypocrisy is written all over their face. If they devolve any lower......there'll be inbreeding of first-cousins.

Yeah.....didn't wierwille preach that "no condemnation" for years while he was lusting after the flesh and the pride of life? He preached and he preached.....and he sinned and he sinned. Yet, when he lost his eye and health calamities were mounting......he lamented, "I wish I were the man I know to be." Although many speculate what he really meant by this.....I believe that wierwille had a momentary epiphany that, in looking at his life, he lived selfishly and in sin.

And.....I tend to believe, that not only do the newly-witnessed people check the internet and come across the Greasespot Cafe website, BUT advanced class grads and corps have been reading too! I mean, really....after years of seeing pathetic numbers in class registration, major events, sunday teachings, corps sign-ups, etc. its hard to ignore the OBVIOUS: Twi is dying out. No longer do the cliches and propaganda work to deceive the people. Greasespot Cafe tells the other side, the evil, of twi. Living well......AFTER TWI......is the greatest revenge, and testimony.

Without running lots of class....attracting lots of new people, etc..... there is NO NEED for more ordinations. The caste system in twi doesn't need more clergy in a stagnant growth mode. And, "stagnant" might be too kind. If the organization is dying out, then adding tiers (clergy) to the business model is a no-brainer. Could it be that Waydale/Greasespot has red-flagged The Way International for all the world to see? I think that's part of it. Bye, bye....twi.

Yeah....rethinking what I said in my earlier post: ....."proximity, promiscuous nature, availability, opportunity, etc" doesn't pinpoint it as well as vulnerability. When a sexual predator targets an individual and boundaries are moved, incrementally and seductively, the victim is vulnerable. The opportunity to strike is there, because the predator targeted the individual. Time and time again, I've given voice that wierwille/twi systematically and seductively laid the groundwork for incrementalism and indoctrination. All who stayed in twi for any length of time had boundaries moved.

Points well taken......thanks. Yes, my boundaries were moved.....as were others. I see your point and agree. It is about vulnerability.

And......the scriptures pinpoint "compartmentalizing" as a FALSE doctrine. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Exactly.....frighteningly CONSISTENT. Remember....a GS poster, Catcup, gave testimony of her sister, on the WOW field, and the attempted seduction of wierwille on the motorcoach. When she refused, wierwille ordered her off the WOW field. Many months later, when Catcup asked wierwille what happened, he shot back..."She couldn't handle it (the WOW field)" and then took a long drag from his cigarette. Others have posted accounts of the 3rd and 4th corps women and the sexual predation that was going on. Gee.....within just a few years, wierwille was "tapping the maple syrup" from his corps experiment. In building an elaborate, secret society of seduction, wierwille could not apparently contain the lust that burned in his soul. By 1975, the Christian Family and SEX class was filmed in all its seductive glory! Boobies and vaginas and penises....Oh My! The CFS class did NOT handle the subject of adultery. In fact, it seemed like "The Teacher" seemed to sympathize with raging hormones in the youth and stated that it was absolutely normal to get ones needs met. It doesn't take "spiritual maturity" to realize that the stage was set for rampant, sexual predation in twi. The president endorsed it.....and the floodgates opened. Love, sex and "pressed down"...and overflowing. Some have contested that wierwille was a misogynist and had a hatred of women. Through my corps and staff years, I've witnessed many situations wherein wierwille acted with disdain for some women and heaped praise on others. Clearly, not unconditional christian love......but conditional. Now, I wonder if these were women who rejected his advances and groping. When the president of a religious organization plays favorites and withholds from others.....everything is suspect. Did their programs and classes have ANYTHING TO DO WITH HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR HEAVENLY FATHER??? What a twisted world wierwille built and envisioned......

penworks.....thanks. I believe there are several reasons why many of us didn't see the red flags. For one thing, a sexual predator targets a selected individual(s) on a basis of many factors.......proximity, promiscuous nature, availability, opportunity, etc. My wife was around wierwille during the early 70s as well, yet she never saw any advances, or groping, or heard about sexual predation from wierwille. Perhaps, high morals and character have much to do with setting proper boundaries, no? For me, I think that wierwille associated very little with us corps men.....unless you were in his inner circle. Also, I was so tired of sitting in classes and meetings all the time that I would volunteer for anything. I was so focused on activity to break the monotony that I sure as heck wasn't scrutinizing wierwille's life. I started noticing things around 1978 that, I felt, were hypocritical and "off the word." But.....in no way, was I near the motorcoach late at night seeing the women coming and going. Me? I was a good corps kid......getting my sleep so that I could get my aerobic points at 4:30am

Where is the outrage over The Way International sexual predation of corps women? Where is the boldness, the honesty, and the integrity to CONFRONT the seductive and evil practices that entomb twi's founding president and a cadre of collaborators? The sexual predation was/is outrageously wicked.....BUT so was/is the cover-up! Some would argue that all this involves psychological/social/power elements wherein one is constrained to confront a person who holds more authority and rank. Perhaps, there is fear of losing one's job or an outcast. But.....the whole thing stinks to high heaven and the Lord smells it. To hide in the shadows and cover for these sins...is cowardly. All that 1986 talk of Cgeer having the "spiritual mantle of the Word" was 100% bullpookie. And, Walter C.....to shelve the adultery paper and hide behind his desk is a sell-out to sin. All those men in the "Yak Twig" (except Ralph) were, imo, partakers in this heinous cover-up. Wives of trustees? Most definitely. And.....these were known to be the spiritual men and women in twi? If it wasn't so darn serious......it would be knee-slapping laughable. What a hoax! What a seduction! What a deception cast over the way ministry as a whole! I believe....to this day, there are hq-staffers who know about the sexual predation, the pimping and grooming of select women, the abortions, the motorcoach frollicking, the dayton-motel runs by security, etc. etc. Do they receive extra perks for their silence and obedience? Do they receive bribe money every paycheck? How many have been "promoted up the ranks" for their obedience to the mogs and mogettes? So....those who sit in high places are, quite possibly, the most devious and cunning. When one really peels the layers of this onion.......the stench of sin should be repugnant to all who love the Lord. The willingness to condone such actions by one's silence is sin, as well. And, therein....the predator and the collaborator are one of the same. Welcome Aboard the "mystery" train. Few have the courage of conviction to SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE.....to boldly go where the Lord would have them go and confront wickedness. With twi's headquarters, they wouldn't even have to leave the property. Yeah, Rosalie knows where all the bodies are buried. She knew of martindale's sexual predation long before it hit the light of day......yet, she remained silent abiding her time until the presidency was hers. Good move, Rosie. Surely the Lord honors your faithfulness and diligence (sarc/). Is the next twi president sitting in darkness.....awaiting for his day to arrive? Maybe.....twi hosted the "Crock of Ages" after all?

Good points, Simon. When I exited twi....I took an assistant manager position. Within two weeks, this company help a seminar regarding managers, employees, proper boundaries, communication skills, and sexual harrassment. During this seminar, I learned MORE practical and proper boundaries than from all my years in twi, as corps and clergy. In some 24 years in twi, I cannot remember ONE vpw-teaching on adultery! NOT ONE. The man was a slick operator, flying below the radar. He taught in areas that had double-meanings. He taught to live for the Lord and "Do as you fool please." He taught about "spiritual adultery." BUT......wierwille never taught the sin of adultery. Think about it.......the president of the organization is a sexual predator, preying on young women who've committed their lives to God. How sick is that? The Way International is compartmentalized in EVIL.

Yeah.....it took DECADES for wierwille to build his cadre of insiders/enablers to facilitate the sexual abuse from vpw. Just look at a few "players" and red flags. 1) Motorcoach driver was most loyal insider of abuse.....ie Howard Allen. 2) Second-generation bus driver Cgeer becomes wierwille's sold-out supporter. 3) Corps women were invited to travel with wierwille......yet, not corps men. 4) Wierwille's motorcoach was a traveling, away-from-home motel room. 5) With extreme privacy and security, the motorcoach was "a lust-laden lair." 6) Add liquor and drugs and an authoritative figure.....seduction is secured. 7) Did the trustees know? Did Mrs. W. know? Why did NO INSIDER speak out? 8) A 6th corps guy writes paper on adultery.....W@lter Cumm1ns scoffs at it. 9) Region men are needing to "counsel" these abused women....and cover-up. 10) Geer's POP paper misdirects issues and avoids wierwille's sex abuse. 11) Geer's POP paper was crafted to elevate wierwille and discredit Craig/Don/Howard. 12) Splinter groups form.....yet, NO ONE exposes the sex abuse in twi. 13) Martindale keeps on same path that "his father in the Word" taught him. 14) Rivenbark learns of martindale's sex predation.....yet, does NOTHING. 15) Martindale's bodyguard is escorting corps girls to Dayton motel for him. 16) Athletes of the Spirit......a lust-fest of groping and rubbing and dancing. 17) From sources later revealed, Donna highly suspects lcm is in predatory mode. 18) Red Flags.....Red Flags....Everywhere....yet, no insider will break silence. 19) Corps women are being raped and abused and destroyed.....the mog doctrine. 20) Wierwille has been dead for 26 years...and many facillitators are dead, too. 21) The guise of "spiritually-mature" to handle sex was wierwille's master-play. 22) How many, today, are receiving bribe-money to remain silent? 23) Out-of-court settlements have been a pittance to pay for this abuse. 24) How do these past-enablers sleep at night? Rosie? Moneyhands? L1nder? 25) The destruction of precious lives is the legacy of The Way International. Sexual Predation is EVIL.

IMO.......when one stands back and deeply considers TWI, its classes and programs, one sees that it indoctrinated naive followers to serve wierwille and his lusts. Obviously, the corps program was wierwille's orgasmic playground to fulfill his fantasies. Wierwille seemed to surround himself with women that he could prey upon. By studying body language, probing one with questions, personal background, weaknesses, etc......he knew who to target. Even had to add some elder women to "groom" the corps girl and some alcohol/drugs....to get what he wanted. And then.......some have confirmed that mrs. moneyhands helped with "exit counseling" for these abused/seduced women. When I think about twi's directors and inner circle of collaborators...... "having a seared conscience" comes to mind.

Sexual predators and cover-ups are making news again. The Penn State scandal involving Jerry Sandusky, a defensive football coach under Joe Paterno, and young boys has rocked the college football world. A whistleblower broke the story....... And last night, the Board of Trustees fired Graham Spanier​, president of Penn State, and Joe Paterno​, the legendary coach of the Nittany Lions. YET.......The Way International has black-listed and denied any "whistle-blower" who came forward regarding sexual predators like Victor Paul Wierwille and L. Craig Martindale and others. Books have been written....detailing the sexual predatory ways and destruction of lives. Waydale and Greasespot, specifically, in the past 10 years has outed twi's ways of darkness. Is it MORE evil to be a sexual predator of young boys? Or, is it MORE evil to be a sexual predator of young girls.....who commit their lives to God and enter a secluded, religious-campus setting? Or.....is a sexual predator a sexual predator, PERIOD???!!!

Yeah......stop consenting and relinquishing power to them. Yeah......stop throwing good money (in the horn of plenty) after bad intentions. Yeah......stop reading the way's rag of propaganda and go to the local library. Yeah......stop going to their meetings and propping up their house of cards. To me, all the warm-fuzzy memories are gone, long gone. Wierwille embellished "stories" that elevated his stature. Wierwille blatantly lied about revelation from God and his special calling. Wierwille plagairized from good men and ministers...to mask his bankrupt soul. Wierwille devised a maze of classes and programs to indoctrinate the naive. Wierwille died of cancer, a devil spirit (sarc/)....and his law of believing failed. All who want to worship wierwille and hold hands at a twig......go for it. Not me. I've got other plans for my life.

Yeah....wierwille and his "lock box" (cough, cough). Seems to me there were two points to his lockbox teaching: 1) Added mystique to the mog and the revelation he, supposedly, received from God. 2) Deceptively used to silence and/or shun those he abused. At age 51, wierwille crafted his plaf-class with subliminal messages and double meanings. Imo.....he knew exactly what he was doing and why he did it. Remember, wierwille headed to California to check out the orgy scene about this time frame of his life! The man was lusting after the flesh......and "the king had every right to every woman in the kingdom." (pfal) Was the corps program set up with the same power/lust control levers? Absolutely. Wierwille would visit Emporia and invite unsuspecting girls to his secret, liquor-ladden, motorcoach. The inner circle knew what was going on. The security guy kept guard as wierwille seduced and indulged in lust. The corps indoctrination led towards a dependant, power-stripped individual.

That's why the directors mandated the mark/avoid edict! When people leave......the doors to freedom and empowerment open wide. Economically, socially, spiritually.....opportunity to grow is everywhere. Abusers like secrets to stay secret.

Religions and politics have their own set of oppressive systems. In the Scriptures, Jesus warned his disciples to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod. Wierwille leavened "The Way, Inc." with his disproportionate heapings of pfal, centralizing the "command center" (i.e. headquarters), funneling all monies to hq, elevating his sunday teachings to a level of excathedra, formulation of corps indoctrination, etc. With regards to governmental power......I would like to see Constitutional Conservatism adhered to and practiced. All the excessive spending, open borders policies, wars and rumors of wars, unwarranted entitlements, etc, etc,.....are weakening our country's sovereignty and strength. These policies have been escalating for the past 50 years......and some argue that the turning point started about 100 years ago with the Federal Reserve, the income tax, and Woodrow Wilson. My intent of this thread......twi no longer has power over us, unless we allow it. Their system of abuse was a series of hoops and snares. And now, being far removed from this....I simply don't allow my past to be a conduit of the present. Freedom and empowerment is a beautiful thing. Have a good day.

I DO. YOU DO. WE DO. No longer are we under the controlling power of the oppressers! No longer are we submitting to twi's agenda with our allegiance! No longer are we giving tithes and offerings to their dark ways! No longer are we bringing others to this mass march of madness! Questions like....."Should I go to a twi fellowship?" are NEVER a consideration anymore. Knowing what I now know, why would I allow myself to be ensnared again? All of their teachings, their policies, their legalism, their fruit EXPOSE THEM for what they are. They worship their creation more than the Creator. Seducers and Idolaters. In exiting twi.....I've had to UNlearn most of the twi dogma. In exiting twi.....I've had to UNravel the seductive psycho-babble. In exiting twi.....I've had to UNload the guilt trips and mind games. In exiting twi.....I've had to UNleash my past to reclaim the present. The Jonathan Edwards: Sunshine song comes to mind.... ......He can't even run his own life, be damned if he'll run mine.

Wierwille's lusts and sins of the flesh....(drunkenness, lazy, adultery, plagairism, striker, strife, etc.)....perverted his "rightly dividing the word of truth." He "cut the pie" to HIS advantage, to empower HIM. Any "wierwille research" is HIGHLY suspect to error. IMO.....one needs to throw it all in the trash. Wierwille's work is a patchwork of plagairism, perversions, platitudes, and prejudices.