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OldSkool......like all things twi, one of the MAJOR REASONS why "old materials" are removed from publication is the authors no longer stand with twi. You see, it just raises eyebrows and questions and suspicions. Who is Elen@ Whites!de? Why is she no longer standing with twi? If twi is "living in love"........why is she a defector of that "love?" Who is L. Craig Martindale? Why is the 2nd twi president no longer the president? Did he die? Was he fired? Maybe I should google it? Twi has been whitewash scrubbing their history.....since its inception. Everytime a major player leaves........the scrubbing begins. The John Lynn books disappeared from their bookstore around 1988. Books, booklets, cartoon magazines, songs.......lots scrubbed after mass 1987 exodus. .

Still....wayfers and some ex-twiers see wierwille as a modern-day apostle Paul.....or David......or Joshua. By golly......didn't wierwille teach Paul Bunyan how to swing that mighty axe??!!

socks.....I hear what you are saying, but I gotta tell you that this stuff is fairly common in the twisted world of indoctrination. I have long held the belief that THE LONGER ONE STAYS...THE MORE TWISTED IT BECOMES. Manipulation, coersion, indoctrination and exploitation.........the subculture of cults. Yes, the scriptures CLEARLY say that David sinned.....blah, blah, blah......but then, wierwille taught in pfal how "every woman in the kingdom belongs to the king!" Why didn't I ask for more clarification? Why didn't I throw my hands up and say, "I don't believe it"..?? For the past 15 years, I've been aggressively DISMANTLING twi's twisting of scripture........15 years!!! And, I still believe there is more to go. Now, I certainly don't presume to be no psychologist or anything, but I see how this indoctrination messes people up a lifetime. And, I'm lucky.......some corps girls have to deal with past rapes and abortions. May the Lord break the teeth of these devouring predators!

Yeah....complicit in the deception to keep their cozy, pittance jobs. All the while, twi continues to rewrite their history......like after the Dunc@ns, then GJess is the designated first corps director. When corps/leaders exit....the whitewashing scrubbing begins. Over and over again.

Attempting to understand and unravel the truth behind wierwille is a daunting task.....few ever attempt it. The two twi books, Whiteside's The Way: Living in Love and Mrs. Wierille's Born Again to Serve that give details are, obviously, sanitized versions of actual events. Interestingly, Mrs. Wierwille's book only cover up to February 1962 [volume I....no Volume II written] and Whiteside's book is a snap-shot portrayal of hippie-groovy Christians living at the "wierwille-commune." And, in closely looking at subsequent editions of Receiving the Holy Spirit Today......the preface whitewashes the fact that wierwille "searched for seven years for a man who would teach him the holy spirit field" and, in the later additions, simply reference the Lord taught wierwille. I can understand completely why few really care to know.....what's done is done. But then again, I know that many have come to this forum to strengthen their stance against spiritual exploitation and coercive abuses. In my opinion, one of the great ploys of wierwille was his structuring twi for his self-serving agendas. Thread after thread has exposed his plagairism and his deplorable character, but I believe twi was Layered in Bureaucracy as a master stroke of deception. One of the most obvious pivots to shield wierwille from criticism was after his first corps program failed.....and was later tagged as "the zero corps." Why blame the corps individuals? Wierwille headed it up......and it failed. Doesn't this speak much more towards wierwille's leadership and style than it does on a dozen or so students? Wierwille's claim to fame is the filming of the pfal class. It's the "tablets of stone" of twi-lore. It's shrouded in their "holy of holies" inner-sanctum arcives.....and yet, Mrs. Wierwille's book unveils their origin to be Rev. B.G. Leonard. In irony of ironies, Mrs. Wierwille's book RIPS THE VEIL FROM TOP TO BOTTOM OF THE WAY INTERNATIONAL FOR ALL TO SEE. By 1969, wierwille was layering his fortress with bureaucracy....and no one has ever adequately explained to me why George Je$$, a soft-spoken and quiet man, was designated as twi's first corps director. Huh?? Really?? Did wierwille ditch the job after one failure? Was this just a shielding from future criticism and responsibility? Has anyone ever dared to ask? Of course......the "spiritual honcho" is designated The Teacher. Of course......the "spiritual honcho" is designated The Head of Research. Hide behind layers and layers of bureacracy. Hide behind walls and receptionists and handlers. Hide behind curtains....only to come out and teach. Hide behind re-written history and myths and fables. Hide behind "I wish I were the man I know to be." Mrs. Wierwille's book will be pulled from the bookstore 5-4-3-2-.......and re-edited. .

I agree.....no significant change after taking advanced class. And, lots of other information......the marxist minstrels, illuminati, the thirteenth tribe, the myth of the six milion, etc. ....all these tangents didn't help me to serve my twig either. Just seemed like wierwille was using "filler material" to expand the class and AVOID TEACHING SPECIFICS on the other six manifestations. The advanced class was a disappointment to me.

Hey, WW.....does Whites1de's The Way: Living in Love give the details of A WOMAN directing wierwille to a man, J.E. Stiles, who would meet his need in Tulsa? Amazing, isn't it? Wierwille was known to think disparagingly of women throughout his life and yet, time after time women were pivotal in directing wierwille...... 1) This woman at the Tulsa Convention....sets appointment for wierwille to meet Stiles 2) Rosalxnd Rxnker......prods wierwille to search the scriptures for truth 3) Dr. E.E. H!ggins.....gives wierwille a Bullinger book, vpw later buys the others If a man cannot change his perception and prejudice of women after this, how could he be receptive to "renewing his mind" to other truths?

WW....thanks for adding to this thread. For those who want the long-version of things....you are the man. One clarification though.......wierwille went to Tulsa in December 1951 to a gathering called "The Divine Healing Convention" where he encountered J.E. Stiles. Mrs. Wierwille writes in her book, Born Again to Serve p. 79......"On Thursday, December 13, when Dr. Wierwille was sitting at a restaurant counter, eating breakfast and telling his reason for coming to the convention to a person sitting next to him, a woman two seats away overheard him. This woman immediately spoke to Dr. Wierwille, "I think God sent a man here to meet your need by the name of J.E. Stiles." "Dr. Wierwille related to us what happened next:" That's how this machinery started, and I said, "Well, where can I meet him?" Then she evidently set it up because she contacted me and said, "J.E. Stiles will be at such and such an entrance in the convention hall. He'll be there at 9:00," and I said in my mind, "I'll bet he won't be there at 9:00 because I just haven't seen very many people that honest," and I told God if he wasn't there at 9:00 I wouldn't have anything to do with him. I went to the agreed place at the appointed time, and there was J.E. Stiles waiting for me. He said he'd go any place to help me, but he said he'd first like to hear Oral Roberts speak. Would I like to hear Oral? Of course, that was one of the reasons I was there. Note: Three things highlighted in red: 1) A woman directs vpw to Stiles.......and wierwille thought disparagingly of women 2) Wierwille thinks himself as honest and others not....why so negative and distrustful? 3) J.E. has priority to hear Oral Roberts teaching......then, help wierwille .

Wierwille taught selective King James Scriptures.....seasoned with vague generalites and cliches. Sunday night teaching after Sunday night teaching, wierwille was able to hide behind his preaching skills and his charisma. Same rodeo week after week.....year after year. After taking the advanced class, I realized that wierwille wasn't 'The Teacher' that he was purported to be. And, although he put on his regular 'spiritual flair'......I couldn't help but realize that he didn't roll up his sleeves and teach us how to walk by the spirit. He couldn't muster any experiential background and would hide behind the statements, "If I teach you how I walk with God personally, that won't help you. How God teaches me and works with me will be different that your walk." Now, I've come to believe......that in youth, many of us PROJECTED on wierwille what we thought he was! The more vague the picture, the more diversified the projection. That's how it works! Mystique and intrigue is everything. Credentials....who cares?

Ironic, isn't it?...... "It's Christ-in you, Christ-in you.......Chriiiist - in you.......the HOPE OF GLORY !! Over and over and over, pfal grads repeated this in twig after twig. It was the apex of pfal-lore, and the cornerstone that drove many to witness in their daily lives. Yet, way-tree structure was supplanting pfal....and planting hierarchy doctrine. The way corps graduates were supplanting good twig leadership across the country. Corporate Way International were the elitists eating off the fruit of others' labors. The right hand giveth.....but the left hand taketh away??? What the heck is going on???

That was funny, thanks.........

Many are saying that this year's election, 2012, will be the most important election of our lifetime. At present, the Republican candidates' lives, backgrounds, careers, and beliefs are being scrutinized in this vetting process. And, it got me to thinking......how many of us "vetted wierwille" BEFORE we embarked on the most important decision of our lives, our spiritual growth?....or detriment? When I decided to take pfal.....wierwille's credentials were NOT in play. Would I have been bothered to find all sorts of discrepancies like, for example: 1) Wierwille attended Pikes Peak Seminary....a non-descript, house-based, paper-degree mill. 2) Not 1942.....but 1957 was when wierwille moved away from his church and church payroll. 3) In 1953, wierwille took BG Leonard's class, twice.....and taught this class as his own. 4) Both "snowstorm accounts" have no witnesses and substantiating evidence is nile. 5) The India itinerary and Jain Convention were boastings that garnered very little fruit. 6) Bishop Pillai and Dr. I.S. Williams opened all the doors for vpw to speak to religious leaders. 7) Stiles' and Bullinger's work were plagairized to add to wierwille's foundational class and books. 8) After filming pfal, wierwille heads to California and pushing connections to experience an orgy. 9) Why did wierwille's Van Wert Church remove his name from the clergy registry? 10) Is this a man who walks with God or a man with something to hide? Had I known this....would THIS be the organization that I wanted to teach me biblical truths? Of course, its all speculation now....but it does raise the question of why so many of us NOW SEE THAT WE WERE BLIND-SIDED. And, it raises the questions...."Why did other twi-elders NOT see all of these glaring discrepancies and fabrications?" Good folks like Eddie and Donna D....and Mal and Jan G......and even, Ermal and Dorthy E. were on this wierwille bandwagon. You know, if wierwille had simply gone the corrupt route by like 1977 or so.....I'd admit that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. BUT......when listed, and the things above are only a partial list, it becomes apparent that something just ain't right with this picture, doesn't it? Is it any wonder why "the benefits of the pfal class" was highlighted as THE POINT OF SALE for the consumer? Good-hearted wow ambassadors and young people where misplaced enthusiasm carried the day was the "heart and soul" of twi's outreach. To me, and many others......it had very little to do with Wierwille or his charisma. It wasn't until years later.......when way-tree structure (1975/76) was introduced and corps grads in masse (1977/78) were assigned to specific "hot" areas....that wierwille's parlor game was showing itself as a con. As wierwille gained access to more youth, more money.....he instituted structure that was DETRIMENTAL to those 'christ-in' individuals that craved spiritual freedom in Christ. And, with each passing year....the leash on individual freedom was tightened, because its very essence produced a diminishing return of wierwille's power. Yes, it took a couple of decades.....but finally, wierwille/twi was unmasked. Usurpers and Interlopers are everywhere......in religion and politics. Stay true to your inner self.

mstar.....yeah, if the blind lead the blind, that's what happens. Wierwille and co. were blind leaders......and hence, thousands and thousands have fallen into the ditch. Twi's structure is a retread of the Pharisees and is simply "an illusion of leadership." Even though wierwille pitched his marketing strategy as the alternative to the "evil church denominations".....its still the bland following of man-made traditions, or worse. Fast-forward to today......and Jesus would have said to wierwille, "Ye hypocrite." [Matt 15:7]

Not sure if JT was a "pencil neck geek"......but pencil-arm phony comes to mind. He certainly tried his best to be a wierwille-wannabe.

Yeah.....but the wood-grain nametags have direct connections to 'The Force being with you.'

The corps program was designed to groom effective CLASS INSTRUCTORS........period. Witnessing, undershepherding, registering, bookstore display setup, class room setup, monitoring class, report back, send in abs, run twig with goal to split twig...........repeat process ad infinitum. Johnnie T. was wierwille's prototype model. Johnnie T. was one of vp's first class instructors. Johnnie T. taught The Way Tree indoctrination. Johnnie T. was known to cry when talking about wierwille.

OldSkool......for what its worth, after exiting twi I believe most all find themselves in transition to distinguish wierwille-reality from the wierwille-mythical. The subculture of twi hierarchy had self-serving interests to magnifying wierwille's background and image. It's quite easy to uncover the deception for those who are motivated to see how the manipulation was manufactured. Like all things.....it ain't nothing new. And, I tend to see it as a cultlike folklore....or fakelore. Twi magnifies the absurd and wants to exaggerate to increase committed followers. Click Here --- Folklore Click Here --- Fakelore

I'm quite certain that wierwille shared this information at hq during lunchtime......so, perhaps you are correct WW, depending on how one views "privately" vs "publicly." To me, he said it in a public setting.....albeit, at hq with the staff present. But....I can clearly see how another person might say that this was not known to the general public. .

Wierwille publically stated that the reason why martindale was chosen was......he always OBEYED and JUMPED when wierwille gave the order. Now, really....doesn't that dismantle every sound-byte, every one-liner, every retemory of how believers (let alone, apostle/prophet/teacher) are to walk via the spirit? Think about that for a bit and let it REALLY SOAK IN......wierwille chooses martindale because the guy would snap to attention and obey his mentor. Is that the take-away from this? So, martindale climbs the corporate ladder year after year and the successes are pleasing to the CEO........and..???? Now, tell me again why I should take the advanced class?

Well....it does make one wonder who walks via the spirit of God and the limits of said revelation. After all, wierwille was highly touted in receiving an abundance of revelation......yet, he picked martindale as next twi-president. And, how did that work out?

The internet is an information highway.....and a growing social network of families, friends, etc. It provides an exchange of cyber-assembling of conversation and mobilizing movements. Obviously, this oppressive government wants to control the masses. The western culture is so evil compared to their culture...haha

17 million Iranians have a facebook account. This should be interesting. Click Here

Exactly.......the irony dripped of hypocrisy. And, further still......wierwille would share his love of poetry and such. I'D RATHER SEE A SERMON THAN HEAR ONE ANY DAY, I'D RATHER ONE WOULD WALK WITH ME THAN MERELY POINT THE WAY. (blah, blah, blah)

That's one of the things that irked me, year after year.... I wanted to SEE wierwille do something, rather than just talk. With each passing year, the hypocrisy of wierwille mounted in my mind. Wierwille kept hiding behind his men....and his men kept hiding behind the corps. Soon, the corps were blamed for "the word not moving." And, to top it off.....Cgeer's POP accuses the corps of "abandoning the man of God." A d@mn circular firing squad.....with the corps in the middle. Saw it coming and could never follow pathetic geer.

And.....I found myself thinking, "Why isn't wierwille and his men DOING the ministering?" And, pouring the sarcasm on real thick.....Isn't that what all true leadership do, LEAD FROM BEHIND???