skyrider

A twice-divorced English teacher in North Carolina takes pfal and sees her opportunity to dump her past and start fast-tracking up twi's leadership ranks. No WOW year for her.....no siree. She's wasted too much time as it is. Signs on the line for the Family Corps....and after graduation, sweet-talks her way into positions of authority. After all, she WAS an English teacher. Gee, didn't realize that a teacher's credentials carried that much weight, but apparently it did for wierwille. Perhaps, it was that "right fit, right time" sorta thing....where wierwille was looking for a University of Life program director or something? Anyhoo, someone thought that her southern drawl would seem to entice High Country Caravan promotions (with Bob Wineg@rner) and other stuff. I never did see the attraction......but wierwille seemed taken in by it. And, when the fog-years settled into twi, I tend to think that Rosalie knew that it was only a matter of time. She kept spending more time with Donna.....and became privy to Craig's extra-curricular predation activities. Still, SHE NEVER INFORMED THE CHURCH, (cough, cough), THE ECCLESIA, THE CALLED-OUT BODY OF BELIEVERS THAT THE MAN OF GOD WAS HAVING SEX WITH SINGLE AND MARRIED CORPS WOMEN. Didn't she know that this sin MUST be removed from the camp? Didn't she realize that Craig was sinning and, thus, the devil had entre into his life AND THE MINISTRY? Even in court filings, Rosalie under oath ADMITTED that she knew Craig was preying on women as early as 1995 (and, several had come forward to state that she knew things back in the mid-80s about martindale). So.........what qualifies her to spiritually oversee twi today?

And worse still, some even wanted you gone.......and pray for your demise. .

Isn't Rosalie-Family Corps an oxymoron? No husband(s) No kids in tow. No family pictures. No family relationships to note. No acknowledgement of past family. Rosalie Shumate.....and Donna, soulmate.

Strike One -- first husband, Rivenbark Strike Two -- second husband, Shumate Strike Three -- Coming out of the closet with Donna

My, oh my......is someone trying to "mark and avoid" one's past? Here this twice-divorced, alleged lesbian is now the president of wierwille's twi.....WOWSERS. Could wierwille have possibly imagined such a scenario? Here, his male-dominated corporation is NOW being run by Rosalie and Donna.....and Martindale, Geer, Cummxns, Townsend and others are long gone. Poetic justice ain't it? Ms. Shumate doesn't go back to her maiden name. She lays claim to the name of the man she married out of high school. Why is that? Not sure I've ever heard of someone doing that. So, the name Shumate and kids have been stricken from cognizance and conversation.....as if, they never existed. The English teacher takes pfal and starts a new life. Signs up for the Family Corps and life starts anew. No WOW year. No building years "in the Word." Nope. No time to waste. Need to separate from the past and climb the corporate ladder......fast. Go Corps. Go Staff. Never leave. Yeah......"teacher credentials" put her in the fast lane of twi. Nothing in twi was what it seemed. Wierwille was a plagarist. Martindale was an arrogant jock. Geer was a psycho opportunist. Townsxnd was a leech. Cummxns was a tool. Rosalie is a sly fox.

You could tell them that you're still searching for answers, searching for power that wierwille never manifested in his life, searching for the promises as noted in the Book of Acts to come alive.

I know this is splitting hairs, but..... The exact phrase was....."The Word is the ministry and the ministry is the Word." See, the reason for this IS....."the Word" is always first. But I tend to think it adds a sleight of hand by putting twi synonymous with that all-inclusive, generic term "the word." If, in fact, twi's teachings were ALWAYS synonymous with the scriptures, then martindale's teaching of the original sin in WAP class would not have been change, now would it?

The wierwille doctrine fermented so many of these crazy scenarios. Labeling someone who leaves twi as "possessed" is nothing less than a HIT JOB. Wierwille started this indoctrination in the mid-70s and everyone knows that the mog speaks for the Almighty, right? Loaded language to implicate. "Cop-out" was synonymous with running with the devil. And, martindale & geer & region guys continue in the wierwille doctrine. Thus, you see twi's college kids who become aghast at seeing a "greasespotter." They turn white as sheets. Some alter their course and head in another direction. Some freeze up, or stutter and refrain from eye contact. Again, it speaks more of THEM and twi's doctrine. If it walks like a cult, quacks like a cult....

Yeah....corps and advanced class grads fell in lockstep conformity with orders from twi's hierarcy, yet some newbies and others didn't get that memo. It was SO obvious that the indoctrinated folks walked in fear of twi retribution. All that talk of walking by the holy spirit was fabricated fofo. And yet, my family was kind, gracious, patient and ready to offer a helping hand. How does that song go?........"You will know they are Christians, by their love, by their love, You will know they are Christians by their love."

Boo.

Naten00......first, I would want to understand your unique situation if I were to give counsel. But as a general rule, there are many well-advised steps to take. Of course, if one has family members who've been locked into the twi system for decades, then it becomes more dicey to separate from twi and still keep family bonds. If possible, I tend to agree with those who advice one to avoid confrontation. If branch leaders or corps want to "meet" with you....simply refuse, and say "I just need some space and will not be attending twi meetings for awhile." If they badger you, REFUSE to allow them the upper hand. You do NOT owe them an explanation. You do NOT need to meet with them privately. Do not allow them to make you feel defensive. Do not allow them to rile you up. Do not allow twi any further entrance into your life, your heart, or your explanations. With every action YOU take......YOU are setting the precedent, the proper boundaries. They have NO control over your life......unless YOU allow it. An answering machine AND caller id helps immensely. At this time, I generally advise people to not try to convince others to follow your exit. Right now, it's YOU that is most important. Your life and example will shine forth to others, perhaps, down the road some day. You do not need to justify what you are doing to other friends and twiers. You might lose several "good friends" in this.....but then, if you do how valuable was that friendship if they don't allow you to make your own decisions and judgements? Stay strong and do not allow anyone to talk you out of your exit plan. More than likely, you will go thru a vast amount of emotions in the next few months. That's perfectly normal. Some refer to it like grieving over a death. Hopefully, you have several who you can trust during those challenging moments ahead. And, I'm sure that several GSers will be there if you need support. Know that you can pm me with any concerns or questions.....or just support. In closing, let me say.......fly away and soar on the winds of freedom. :)

Yeah.....the reason few remember it, is BECAUSE TWI DELIBERATELY DIDN'T WANT TO LINK THE TWO VERSES TOGETHER. "For" -- ties v.18 with what was previously stated, v.17. These verses point out LEADERS who via good words and fair speeches DECEIVE. It is so obvious that it is NOT what twi claims in their mark/avoid shenanigans.

Another classic illustration of how TWI twisted scripture to justify serving their own belly and lusts. The Apostle Paul's doctrine was of God. Twi's teachings are CONTRARY TO THAT DOCTRINE and, as such, funnel to serve NOT the Lord Jesus Christ....but their own belly. Verse 18 is joined with the previous verse --- "For they that are such..." Notice how twi DOESN'T read the next verse when it DOESN'T fit their agenda? Why don't they read the next verse? Because it explains who the "they" are.

What's more..... Wierwille's "good words and fair speeches".......were plagairized. Opportunistic and lazy, wierwille lifted passages of scripture, one-liners, catchy slogans, and fiery sermons of others to fool the very elect of God. Yep, "The Red Thread" by Rev. Oral Roberts became an instant classic as wierwille tweaked a few incidentals and basked in the adulation of followers. Even today, there are some who never knew the original and fiery sermon was presented with more fervor and conviction than even wierwille could muster. It sure is an eye-opener to see that wierwille's whole ministry was built on tweaking others' work. Sure, there's a sliver of lip-service to the other men.......but wierwille stands in the spotlight as the ORIGINATOR of putting it all together. [Which runs at cross-purposes with his "snowstorm revelation" of getting all this "Word" from God....but never mind that little detail.] And, there's a reason why Leonard is rarily mentioned, as his class was the prototype of class-based ministries as are common today. Only when Mrs. Wierwille's book, released in October 1996, did its details spell out the intricacies of wierwille's "eureka" moment when the lightbulbs were flashing in his brain. His whole life pivoted after Leonard's "The Gifts of the Spirit" class. But really......it all makes perfect sense now. Even in pfal, when vpw spoke in tongues it sounded repetitive, formulaic and fake. Yet, I couldn't perceive this at first...as the information overload, hectic schedule, no time for questions, reading assignments, etc had a way of herding me towards the forgone conclusion of "breathing in holy spirit" for everyone. Yet, as wierwille wraps up the class.....he already starts distancing the importance of that special Father/son relationship and talks in terms of the collective, of standing with the household of twi. Having done all, STAND (with twi). Today, I simply see wierwille as an opportunist and marketer. He found a product and peddled it. He added flair and drama and song. His stage presentation was good. And, with the right song.....he could even squeeze out a tear or two. Perhaps, he was thinking about something totally different than the song. I don't know. But with a life of deception and acting, I have my doubts that anything he did was what it seemed to be. As inresidence corps, on occasion I saw a wierwille who was impatient, cold, deceptive, vehement, guarded and calculating. But that was the exception to the manufactured persona. Rarily was he put in a position that his handlers hadn't established a controlled-environment beforehand. Weeks of prep had gone into his arrival. The entourage of people. The mounting expectation of something great. The meeting had reached the right tempo....songs, manifestations, live music, etc.....and THEN, wierwille enters. A piece of cake. All wierwille had to do was teach some Bible, throw in some dramatic flair, thrust his voice with conviction, and the corps was smitten. The whole scenario was so well orchestrated, so conceived in detail, so manipulative to target the unsuspecting, how could I have possibly seen......"The Sting" of it all? .

Wierwille was NOT a man of God.....Wierwille was a man of "good words and fair speeches." In my 24-year tenure in twi, I never once saw wierwille in the midst of demonstrating God's power in action! Not once. No sign, no wonder, no miracle, no healing, no nothing......just good words and fair speeches. Wierwille deceived the youth with "liberated christianity" as he moved proper boundaries and claimed that only the spiritually mature could handle it. The deception happened right before our very eyes.....inch by inch, he stole away our lordship to Jesus Christ and stood upon that pedestal. How many are STILL deceived? And, the twi offshoots have been playing the same parlor game for 25 years! Wierwille's doctrine was divisive AND contrary to the scriptures. The occult concepts of "the law of believing" from Albert Cliffe put a major pillar in twi's doctrine.......new "fruits of the spirit" seemed to penetrate as well, namely spiritual anger. And, sexual predation became the new "ministering avenue" for the mog. Folks....we were following a slick, sick, predator! Note: Link the two verses IN CONTEXT. Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. Believers are INSTRUCTED to mark them and avoid them.......those who serve their lustful agendas. These men deceive with WORDS. They talk their way INTO YOUR LIFE. The endgame of the fair speeches is DECEPTION....and, that's where twi took us. Notice the absence of good deeds. Notice that "fruits of good works" are no where near these deceiving men. Could the scriptures be any clearer? Yeah.....I get that many here at GS no longer adhere to the believer/christian concepts. The reason that I brought scripture into this thread is to USE SCRIPTURE to dismantle twi's twisted theology. Twi is not even in the ballpark of christianity.....let alone, a biblical research ministry. Good riddance twi.......the scriptures affirm and authorize me to "mark/avoid" you.

Quite the contrary, my friend. Some of us are speaking out AGAINST the wierwille-infested religion of abuse and sexual predation. Don't mistake conviction of principle for hardness of heart. In twi, proper boundaries were moved by wierwille and cohorts to advance his lusts and agendas.

And......the scriptures would say that is prudent.

Yeah......I agree with that. When one RECOGNIZES the wolf-in-sheeps'-clothing twi hierarchy........am I supposed to be open-minded about it? Nope, not one bit. Nearly all of my posting deals with wierwille, trustees, indoctrination, manipulation, deception, exploitation, hypocrisy, adultery, bait-and-switch tactics, corps cloning, white-washing sins, scrubbing twi-history, bewitching others, etc. Having experienced a 24-year tenure in twi.....I think I know whereof I speak, ya know? With each passing year, twi became a spiritual cesspool. As more money funneled into hq, it empowered the trustees to fulfill their lustful desires.......thus, exposing their deceiving hearts. Not once did wierwille "right the ship" from its straying voyage to the dark island of servitude. And, what did my tens of thousands of hours of labor profit others....when, they too, were enslaved? Should I relish the "fun times" of slave-rowing twi's ship of horrors? And, now......offshoot "ships" are gathering followers (servants?) to row another ten years? In the name of wierwille? In the name of "the law of believing" or other putrid doctrines? Notice how even the CFFers who once came here.....have left. Ya gotta STAND for something.....or you are going to fall for everything. I'll keep my "one-sided" view....thank you very much. <_<

Wierwille's narcissism fed his structuring twi as a caste system. The more one studies twi's systematizing of errors....the more one sees that the whole shebang was ungodly from the get-go. A bunch of self-centered elitism at the top desiring to have fawning followers and slave labor.....a lifetime. Yeah....when JC comes back and they get the shock of all ages. Yeppers. And, ummmm......the lowly shepherds, NOT the religious leaders in Judea, were "invited" by the angels to witness the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, the King of the Judeans. Twi hq is a den of false teachers.

Yeah.....twi was NOT interested in our reasonings for exiting. All of the trustees knew us quite well from 20+ years of involvement...Craig, Don, Howard, Donna, Wanda, Emogene, Mrs. W, Rhoda, Dorothy, Rosalie. Not one of them phoned or emailed us. The two region guys who came to our city called several meetings.....and, from what we later heard, were DIGGING FOR DIRT on anything that they could find on us to discredit and slander us. They found NOTHING. They had to resort to saying that "we wanted to follow worldly things and not the word any longer." Sheeeeesh......how lame is that? Just made-up stuff to spiritualize a reason, it seemed. The TRUE COLORS of twi came clearly into focus from that moment on. Twi was a cult. It was like.....we connected the dots and they knew it. They were the ones that had the blackened, deceptive hearts. The scales fell from our eyes......and we saw "humpty-dumpty" fall to the ground. All of twi's "horses" and all the "corps" men....couldn't put "humpty" back together again. Because.....humpty was just a cult.

Didn't the traveling salesman get killed in that Tulsa snowstorm right after his wife bought red drapes and her little Johnny ran to the end of the driveway raising his arm to wave good-bye.....or something like that? <_<

Yeah.....what you said. Even back in the day.....when I informed martindale that my wife and I no longer agreed with the direction of twi, he sent his attack dogs "two region coordinators" to our city. Not ONE corps-innie person phoned us.....they all fell in line and obeyed the forehead, martindale. Dozens of others have phoned us thru the years. But the corps......NO. They have their marching orders, marching in lockstep. So really.......does posting anonymous make any difference TO A CLOSED MIND? They knew us back then......and NEVER ASKED why we chose to leave. If that's the extent of "free will believers".......doesn't that speak for itself? .

When one is indoctrinated and entrenched in deep perspectives and ideologies, whether religious, political, etc......to them, it is totally "logical" to tow that stated viewpoint/doctrine. That, to me, is understandable. And, quite frankly....I wouldn't expect anything else. Twi has to hide and deceive......and label GS as "the enemy." I wear this badge with confidence. Rosalie is so plastic.....that she, in no way, can sit near a nightowl campfire. Think about it this way......how many of us came to Waydale or GS and thought Martindale was the main problem with twi going astray? For many, the legalism and arrogance and sexual abuse and the loyalty letter were reasons to exit twi. Yet, as the "ole curtain" was pulled back, further and further........lo and behold, victor paul wierwille was pushing and pulling all the levers of power, control and abuse. Wierwille had "programmed" me to a deceptive doctrine and the machinery of twi. The further one steps away.......the picture becomes clear. Wierwille and co. pushed straight-up INDOCTRINATION. But like many here......it sometimes takes one traumatic event or confrontation for an innie to deeply question twi. And, if they will spend some time AWAY FROM TWI AND OFFSHOOTS.......then, possibly they might be tempted to lurk here awhile. And,....even post. Even today.......I sometimes find it embarrassing to admit how deeply indoctrinated I was. <_< .

Don't bogey men hide in closets? And......isn't twi the one with ALL those closets?

Rosalie and co. have a blind spot.....they cannot see how glaring their hypocrisy is to the average joe. While they think they're so spiritual, even newbies can spot that things are NOT what twi portrays them to be. A vastly empty auditorium even though tightly scripted camera angles attempt otherwise. Heck, turn on the tv some sunday morning and SEE THE CAMERA ANGLES ON A JOEL OSTEEN SERVICE. Thousands and thousands in the audience. As I've mentioned time and time again, Mrs. Wierwille's book is loaded with the obvious-- VP Wierwille was NOT the mogfat whom God Almighty summoned to lead the thirsty to water. The guy lied, stole, deceived, plagairized, and bullied his way to a self-proclaimed pulpit. I often think that the aging staffers KNOW that the deception doesn't play well anymore......but simply continue to act out this soap opera drama anyway. Where else is a 63 year old purchasing agent going to go? What else is a 62 year old gonna do to find something better?....who has a little gig where he can pose as a "legal department guy" and twi-seniority to throw his weight around? Sure, the pay sucks.....but in middle America, in podunk rural Ohio, it ain't that bad! Besides, some of these corps sit on inheritance money anyways. Of course, the honorable thing would be to man-up......and call out the hypocrisy. But that ship has long done sailed. Anyone of those "long-standing" staffers who had a shred of integrity would EXPOSE twi's lies. While the internet bombs the heck out of their closely guarded secrets.......they hunker down and act like "nothing to see here, folks." Yeah, right. The obvious is blatantly stinking obvious that a blind man could walk the grounds of twi and smell the hypocrisy. Yet......they have their reward. However small it is, they have their temporary, adulating reward. Legends of their own mind, aren't they? Yet, the fawning followers are fading away.....one by one. The next generation is not going to join this little parade. Maybe some.....but not like before. Just too many holes in their drums to make alot of noise these days. Little do they realize that the crowd is laughing AT THEM. And......the hypocrisy is so thick that twi can't even finish vpw's biography work. Mrs. Wierwille wrote volume 1 and it stopped in 1961. So, this "awesome ministry work" of wierwille lived for FOUR YEARS -- 1957-1961? Where is the last 24 years? Twi can't even finish the written biography of the late, great victor paul wierwille... .