skyrider

The wierwille legacy is one big boisterous, fraudulent DECEPTION OF LIES.

See.....it's NOT what they can do for you, it's what YOU can do for them. Smells of desperation. <_<

dabobbada.....what visual imagery. If Rosalie is laid to rest at the garden of lying serpents, she will be buried at the "bottom of the fountain" (south edge). IIRC.....harry was buried on the west, ermal on the east and vpw/mrs on the elevated spot (north). So.....in essence, rosalie would be buried "at the feet of wierwille." <_<

Yeah....bullying is hitting the media airwaves, again. But really.....biting, devouring and consuming is, in my opinion, far more fiercely predatory in nature. Maybe, I've been watching too many WildGeo documentaries of alligators, lions, etc. Devouring and consuming the prey in all its guts and glory! Bullying is one of manipulating, intimidating......NOT consuming. From mog to mud.....martindale is rarily whispered on the grounds of twi anymore, I presume. The man is despised.....and erased from twi's mog-history. Will the same thing happen to Rosa-lie when she "fades from twi's landscape?" Is wierwille THE ONLY ONE whose name will remain at the forefront of twi? Enjoy your time "in the sun" rosalie. In the blink of an eye, it will be over. And, twi's next leader will be on the prowl.

The Scriptures are clear......the law is fulfilled in one word, LOVE. Twi is not even in the proverbial ballpark of Christian love. The cult leadership continues to bite and devour and consume one another in the misguided attempt to "stand on the word." What a mess. Twi has been ex-communicating corps/clergy since the mid-70s (as far as I know)....all in the name of advancing the ministry. Of course, geer's power-grab stirred the pot in extraordinary ways as martindale heaped venom on all who left the cult. And then, in 2000......martindale is ousted. Today, the name of martindale is "consumed." Is that the same as cannabalize? Bite, Devour, Consume.....as the flesh lusts against the spirit. Woe, twi....how far you have fallen. Although you claim to speak the Scriptures, your actions are relegated to the flesh. False teachers lauding false doctrines....and more are finding the exit doors. A B..iting C..onsuming D..evouring CULT.

PFAL filming......blunders. "Zero Corps"......blunders. So, the plaf filming and corps program were instigated in blundering fashion. Could someone please explain to me how wierwille walked with Gawd.....blah, blah, blah?

waysider.......that's one of the driving points of starting this thread. Was wierwille's pride that big that he blundered onward? If the body/eyes are screaming in pain.....why is it ignored? To paraphrase a bit here.....if the eyes say to the brain, "Hey, why the heck are you scorching my retinas?" and no heed is taken, then the brain has been hijacked by a prideful spirit. <_<

Ole Howard was in the BRC backroom when I, the groom, was about 45 minutes away from our wedding. And, I think Howard had liquored up for the evening. He smiled at me and said.....the reason I run with XXXXXX (my fiance) is I like to see her boobs bounce. Gee, thanks Howard for that tidbit of info just prior to my wedding. He and my wife ran together at hq several times a week about 4-5 mile jaunts.

Yeah......he went from "The Teacher" to "The man of God (of the universe)" to "Our father in the Word." Is there a higher title that twi, and splinter groups, have bestowed upon him in death? If wierwille's classes, quotes and one-liners are the CONSTANT SOURCE of reference, solace and strength..... then, in essence, isn't wierwille "Their mediator" of sorts? Sounds like straight-up idolatry to me. Wierwille made blunders in pfal-filming and his handlers cover for him. When others made mistakes, confrontation moved in front-and-center to point out the error for all to see. The double standard hypocrisy was astounding!!

Supposedly, we were told......the filming of pfal was God-ordained from the heavens. Yet, we learn of wierwille's eye-scorching pain from the studio lights during its filming. Since twi did not allow us to ask questions, I thought that the nice folks here at GS could help me with my questions. Thank you in advance. 1) Were there any lighting personnel experts around to give wierwille any technical advice? 2) Was this filming done on the cheap....with rented furniture, wrong lighting, and overburdened scheduling? 3) Wouldn't God tell "the man of God" HOW to best film this long-awaited class WITHOUT MARTYRDOM OF HIS EYE? 4) According to Scripture, Jesus gave HIS LIFE in total payment of mankinds sins....and vp's "martyrdom" was misplaced? More questions keep popping up.......but those are a start. Just seems to me that the cold/ice soothing between sessions SHOULD HAVE ALERTED WIERWILLE THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH HOW THEY WERE PROCEEDING FORWARD ON THIS FILMING. Like say.......wrong lights? too intense? too much exposure? Wasn't there anyone to ask? Bueller, Bueller? Perhaps, wierwille should have waited until he had a full grasp on the a/v technical matters? But.....if PRIDE was running the show, then by golly consequences were bound to follow. IMO....wierwille was NOT listening to the Lord and PROCEEDED FORWARD WITHOUT HIM. <_< .

Their arrogance and narcissism has made delusional. Legends of their own mind, they are.

Yeah....and Rosie is, in essence, "married" to Craig's ex, Donna. What a small world at the top of twi's pyramid....the "spiritually mature" have to groomed for decades. <_<

Sounds about right......90% in trash dumpster. As the years went by....it just became "stuff." No adulation, no respect.......just stuff.

On May 20, 1985 wierwille died.....27 years ago, today. Wierwille chose martindale as his successor. Martindale's sexual predation and out-of-court settlements were catalysts of his ouster. Wierwille sent geer to oversee Gartmore and Europe. That, too, came crashing down and geer set up a MLM franchise enterprise. Wierwille's beloved men, walter & johnny, no longer stand with twi....splintering out amongst the splinters. Rosalie and Donna run the show, Mr. Wierwille. Two divorced women are pulling the levers of control. And, "sunday teachers" READ the pre-approved sermons to a mostly-empty auditorium. And, your corps indoctrination program is so dismal that twi hides their numbers from view. Oh,.....and the internet, mr. wierwille, has exposed YOU ---- plagairism, sexual predation, lying, drunkenness, etc. Even Mrs. W's book exposes how thrilled you were to take Rev. BG Leonard's class (twice) and then, teach it to others. And, from Stiles and Bullinger you patched together more scriptures to "distance" yourself from Leonard's class. And, Albert Cliffe's occult doctrine and sway help you to formulate and intermesh "the law of believing" into your work. You see, mr. wierwille......you wished you were a man of elevated stature, but WE NOW KNOW WHO YOU REALLY WERE. Some might joke that if you knew all of this.....you'd be SPINNING IN YOUR GRAVE.

Sing it, OldSkool..... Mommas, don't let your babies grow up to be DULL GRAY, Don't let 'em wear dove pins and drive WOW mobiles, Have them be doctors, or lawyers.... Or, learn professional skills. Avoiding a cult, and kicked in the dirt, Where the leader is chasing every girl in a skirt. Mommas, raise your kids to know right from wrong, Where life is worth living and family is strong.

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The true color of a cult is.......dull gray. All individuals are discolored into this drab, dreary, lifeless shuffling thru life in dull gray prison clothes. The institutionalized version of existence is their four-walls of conformed culture. Outside these walls, nothing matters. With each passing year, the dull gray becomes even duller. And, the fabric is thread-bare. It matters not. Long gone are the days of youth, excitement, spontaneity, laughter, uninhibited fun and thrills. The highs are no longer as high.......and the cult doesn't allow for the lows to get too low. Conformity and mediocrity, to keep things in balance, are the levers of control. Where are the fiery reds? emerald greens? jet-sky blues? hot pinks? loud lavenders? Momma, don't let your kids to grow up to be DULL GRAY.

Rosalie Fox Shumate......you are now twi's example of leadership. Stand up for the vows of MARRIAGE. <_< Stand up for the joy of MOTHERHOOD. <_< Or, hide behind the skirt of a cult ministry.

Or, stated another way..... "I ain't the man you people think I am."

Although many may think wierwille's legacy is plaf (the wonder class)......I don't. The man was unqualified, unfit, and undisciplined to run with the big league spiritual men of his day and time. His whole ministry was a "refried beans" ripoff of Rev. BG Leonard's work. The class-based ministry, its structure, sessions, registration, class graduation and picture, subsequent classes, and follow-up. No wonder wierwille dared to voice Leonard's name with much appreciation and recognition. Yeah, vpw was a drunkard and sexual predator.....but, to me, the lasting legacy is plagairism. In my opinion, written on his tombstone........Wierwille, The Plagairist. <_<

At the 1978 summer advanced class, three 8th corps were publically excoriated for doing research work that was contrary to twi's ensconced doctrine. From that point, research began to actively take the form of "search again wierwille's work." In my opinion, many corps and advanced class grads were coming of age and NO LONGER kowtowing the "just shut up and obey club"......the wierwille adulation was being challenged! Yeah, the exodus happened in masse about 10 years later......but the rumblings in the village were simply growing louder and louder each year. Hence, the yelling. Wierwille/Martindale/Geer had to shout down their opposition to stay in power. By 1978......they couldn't put the "toothpaste back into the tube." Then, they just devised different methods of control. <_<

Yeah....and he "researched" seances and black magic and orgies SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO. What a guy.

Hence, the term "false teachers" is appropriate. Show me ONE THING......where wierwille gave of himself without the payback factor looming close behind? Did wierwille spend a number of years on the mission field for his denomination? Did wierwille open an orphanage like George Mueller and pray for daily sustenance for the children? Did wierwille go WOW....to a strange city, with complete strangers, no job, and believe God to provide? Did wierwille take yearly corps assignments MOVING EVERY THREE YEARS FOR TWENTY YEARS to serve the Lord? Did wierwille abandon HIS family, his home town, his roots so as NOT to be tempted by "the devil?" See, when you set twi leadership TO THE SAME STANDARD THAT THEY DEMANDED OF US........it was a sham! Twi is a con where hypocrites rule over many good-hearted believers. It's so OBVIOUS......now. <_< .

Wonder if Rosalie F. Shumate will teach this Sunday......on Mother's Day? <_<

"One can be initiated into a conspiracy without a single word exchanged or secret handshake; all it takes is the dawning realization, beginning in seminary, that you and the others are privy to a secret, and that they know that you know, and you know that they know that you know." Or.....after corps graduation, you and the others are privy to the twi-deception. When the corps application stated a "lifetime of Christian service" what they really meant was a lifetime of TWI service. If you show or voice a hint of discontent in leaving, then they bring pressure to bear in your life. In such a setup, the decision-makers have unparalleled control over your life. Perhaps, they'll send you to Mississippi to oversee a growing twig (4 people)....or something. What? Where's your believing? You don't want to go? You're stubbornness is as witchcraft saith the directors! If you keep this up.....you WILL be called out on corps night. Twi relishes in favors for their friends.....hardship for their corps enemies. It's a game of picking winners and losers. Jump when they say jump. It's the Way's way of doing things. Blacklisting gives twi the illusion of fighting an adversary.