rhino

if you can't get new customers, you have to reuse the old customers ...

I do an every other day beer cleanse. Nothing but beer all day ... then when I start spewing beer from every orifice and spewing beery messages here on GS, I know I am purified. I think this relates to the CES thread on pp errors. I do find I make more pp errors when I have had more beer. If your pp errors involve other people, that is especially bad, and you really should quit drinking at that point. Hope this helps.

Belle, you and chatty are obviously going to he;lll ... I remember a far lefty complaining about the welfare recipients being so upset that they had to go to an office to get their checks, instead of having them in the mail. And then there is the guy that tried to buy a house with food stamps ... no doubt bought at fifty cents on the dollar, as the new immigrant owned groceries on the edge of the projects offer. What do they buy for fifty cents that is worth more than a dollar of food? Heck, now I'm going to heill also. ....

Very sorry for your loss Lisa. I knew your Mom and Dad in Irving in 1983 or so, and remember his energy to run a fellowship, go to classes and work a job. Then I looked forward to his comments here in Greasespot, only recently learning it was the George I knew. It is great you had such a wonderful Father.

The point isn't the finger, it is the lack of assimilation. Also the $180 expense when a non-english speaker shows up in the emergency room. It is about our politicians willingness to submit to demands of foreigners more than Americans.

I think there is someone trying to change that now. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. United States Constitution, Amendment 14, section 1, clause 1 The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is key. In1898 the Supreme Court interpretted that in light of English Common law, saying only diplomats and foreign armies were not included. The dissenting opinion said we had broken from english common law. They also mentioned lack of assimilation. (In the United Kingdom one parent must be a citizen or legal resident.) It makes more sense to me that illegals are not subject to our laws by the very fact that they broke our law to get here, so they shouldn't be granted "anchor baby" status, where they can bring their parents and other fmily members in once they reach 21. On the face of it it seems pretty absurd. I'd say we are not going by the constitution, but by this 1898 interpretation. Of course unless that is reversed or the amendment changed, that is the law. Clearly the lack of assimilation is a large problem. A look at Los Angeles numbers and communities might give one pause on granting citizenship so freely, considering all the foreign families being "anchored" to US citizenship. From an old Center for Immigration Studies page, "Michael Antonovich of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors states that two-thirds of the births in Los Angeles county hospitals are to illegal aliens. Additionally, Mr. Antonovich notes that these children now account for 30 percent of all AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) cases in Los Angeles County."

the text you put in red was not in my quote of you, as I'm sure you know. My quote was accurate ... you are misleading when you call it my quote, but all that use of red and bold distracts from what you really said. OK, so the repugnicans are what you called elected right wingers "like me" that "ignore the needs and realities of Americans". As I pointed out, limiting immigration to legals helps the lower class Americans. Amnesty helps the lower class Mexicans and Mexico, at Americans' expense. It's not about you Rocky, it's about your ridiculous statements.Hopefully the house can stop some of the calls for amnesty which rewards illegals. Many of those new house democrats actually ran on limiting immigration, so maybe there is a little hope left. But generally it is the left that wants amnesty most. Republicans running for president like to look more moderate, so seem pretty soft on securing our borders. Other Republicans seem resigned to some sort of amnesty and seem to be playing to win the Mexican swing vote. These actions fly in the face of the 80% of the population that want much stricter limits on immigration.

OK, I couldn't see the Sauron picturethe dip made me wonder ... I heard of that movie ... Your turn ...

I noticed this from Rock .. par for the course from him. A lot of name calling ..."the ones like rhino don't want to address the needs of anyone" ... Hope, if you read this, you are fine and will be praised if you are on the left ... if you disagree with the rock, you will be chastised, called names ... he is out of control ... but he is a successful democrat, cuz eventually you get tired of his flooding every topic with his antics ... he really should be re-banned. I showed the one study showing illegals depressed wages and put poorer Americans out of work. I was addressing the needs of those poorer democrats in the US, that now suffer competition from illegal aliens, part of the reason the real wages for the lower class has not gained anything, as Webb mentioned. So yes, I am calling to ban the rock again... it is not worth putting up with his antics ... he has single handedly severely degraded the dialogue in the politics forum, not that it wasn't pretty bad before. His assault here has nothing to do wtih facts, he is just full of hate for any one he sees on the right. There rocky ... thanks for the insult. You are so effin right that you can use any tactics necessary to shout everyone else down, right? I got better things to do than listen to his BS ... so go ahead and listen to him praise lame brain lefty logic, but he speaks by decree that, "I believe there is NOT a correlation between "illegals" and the high cost of health care coverage for Americans. Period." No data .. but he does use those capital letters. Then we have "Again, emphatically NO... I do NOT think cutting off foreign aid would do ANYTHING to ensure all Americans would have adequate resources." capital letters and the use of the word "emphatically". Somehow we are supposed to "respect his authority" (a la cartman) because he once wrote for some tiny lefty paper ... Good grief ... I gotta go out and drown some puppies and clear cut some timbers ... that's what all us "repugnicans" do, ya' know?

Almost thou persuadest me to be a CESarian ... Lord knows I need to be delivered ... and I prefer the easy way out :)

For some reason, that song by Huey Lewis comes to mind ... "I Want a New Drug" Only it would maybe be, "I want a new cult" One that won't make me prophecy too much ... Or make my face break out, with spiders One that doesn't cost too much OK, it needs some work

Most people ride inside the plane ... you are a brave man. chips dip tortilla dog bulldog drool shirt beast I guess serendipity is a hint ... no help for me though ...

I think for a five spot the mods will intervene for you, and spell the "word" steenkin

I see those parallels listed, but the death thing kinda kills it ... Say doc vic is usiing up ABS so he can have his pimpmobile bus ... corpse slaves delivering his dramboooeeee as he drones on about Ephesians ... and he has the babes dropped at his door step ... how does everyone committing suicide fit in that plan?

Right, I can see someone spinning around on their back after hitting a manhole cover LOLBut who you kiddin'? They didn't have no snow in Alabama! :) not in Texas either ... we had an inch once maybe ...

I was gonna say "Deliverance"

the google ads I see are "Lies Women Believe" "Why'd He Have an affair" "The Truth aboutJezebel" must be cued from the use of the word "affairs"

WOW, great game to watch. Miami ... I thought we lost that to the ocean after all the global warming. Colts/Bears ... wonder how that will effect the ratings ... will the coasters watch the midwesterners?

not lookin good for the colts 21-3 miami? why not the frozen tundra? What did they call that? The Ice Bowl?

My friends and I are drinkin' and watchin the colts ... hoping for a midwest superbowl. Does George St. George still QB for the Colts? It was some George from Illinois ... ?

True, that was maybe not called for on the crisis issue, but the high drama in calling people into a room and revealing a dream about them being possessed, and whatever else seems a little drama queen like. So much seemed to center around their fantasy world. Even when the outsiders were unaware, the inner sanctum seemed embroiled in their visions and sense of self importance. It seemed there was such hubub for CES to decide if jal should marry elizabeth ... like some sort of coronation ... just my sense from the little I've read here.Of course we know in twi daze it was only our believing that prevented all kinds of international crises ... all praise the MOGFAT. I'll stick with the drama queen label, but agree they probably would have preferred to keep all this hidden. And yes, life is much better when you step outside that cloud of religious suppression, or whatever it was.

Right Kathy ... but reform in Mexico would help Mexicans most perhaps. To cripple the American way is hardly a good way to make the two countries more equal. Here is a bit more on Mexico's government stance from that "High Cost of Illegal Immigration" article ... Or consider the declaration made on August 23rd in El Paso, Texas, by Fox's cabinet officer Juan Hernandez (himself a dual national), who said that "the Mexican population is 100 million in Mexico and 23 million who live in the United States." That figure of 23 million Mexicans in the United States necessarily includes American citizens of Mexican descent – which means that the Mexican government Bush is negotiating immigration policy with is claiming jurisdiction over and allegiance from, American citizens. If unchecked , the continued mass immigration of Mexicans combined with a high rate of non-assimilation can only lead to disaster. Whether it leads to a full-fledged secession of the Southwest, a globalized corporate merger of the U.S. and Mexico, or simply the balkanized America reduced to the "squabbling nationalities" Roosevelt warned against a century ago, or some combination thereof, it means the end of the United States of America as we know it Here is another ...This report, The Costs of Illegal Immigration to New Jerseyites, lists Education, Health Care and Incarceration as three major areas of expense in New Jersey. Other costs mentioned that would have greatly increased the costs if studied ... preventive health care programs, special English instruction, interpretation services in courts and hospitals, welfare programs used by US born children of illegal aliens, and welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal workers. page 4 begins a long list of quantifiable costs with many specific programs

Here, I just found this piece ... The High Cost Of Mexican Immigration ... An estimated 33.9 percent of households headed by legal Mexican immigrants and 24.9 percent headed by illegal Mexican immigrants used at least one major welfare program. In contrast, 14.8 percent of native households used welfare." In fact, according to the Camarota report, "the estimated life-time net fiscal drain (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is negative $55,200." Since most of today's Mexican immigrants have low levels of formal education (almost two-thirds of them have not completed high school), their presence in the work force poses a direct threat to the 10 million of your fellow American citizens who have not completed high school. Camarota explains that "Mexican immigration is overwhelmingly unskilled... unskilled immigration... tends to reduce wages for workers who are already the lowest paid and whose real wages actually declined in the 1990s." If the U.S. already has plenty of poverty, why import more? And present-day Mexican immigration is a poverty-importation scheme, as Camarota informs us. "Although they comprise 4.2 percent of the nation's total population, Mexican immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) account for 10.2 percent of all persons in poverty and 12.5 percent of those without health insurance." It is all worth reading.

You express yourself just fine Kathy ... it's good to hear your thoughts ... It seems the printers of money have a different view of money than most of us. It feels like some elites in a room somewhere are deciding how to redistribute wealth. The huge numbers are hard to comprehend. We have trade deficits, deficit spending, medicare cost projections .... do we need to import more workers? I don't know, but the changes to society and culture need to be considered along with the economic theories. The veterans questions seem especially relevant, as they and their families have more invested in America than the newcomers and the illegal aliens.

I think now they don't fine them even if they are turned in, and that policy is the problem. Clinton did little, then Bush did much less. IIRC Policy is the problem, and selective enforcement or no enforcement. Turning individual illegals in does nothing, they even have rallies with Mexican flags. Proof about the non english speaker with 10 credit cards wouldn't really prove anything, it is just one example. As I said, I'm too stupid to explain it. I believe all lenders come under government regulation, but I don't care enough to try to find out right now. Can Banks Profiteer From Illegal Immigration with Impunity? There is one article. When I say "hidden tax", I'm including hidden costs, whether they go through a government program or not. My cost of health care goes way up because of all the people that don't pay. The cost to our nation goes up if people with fraudulent ID are allowed the same access to our credit systems as legitimate players. If a CC company goes bankrupt, I guess all the investors lose out, as well as those that accepted those cards. Somebody pays. At this opening part of the discussion, it seems your 50 questions are a little burdensome. I think if we find any law directly benefitting illegals or recent immigrants, we can focus more on that. I believe the hidden costs and policy of non-enforcement are the bigger issue. sure, if you have a spanish speaking staff that helps. But I think there is already an issue of discriminitive hiring against non-Spanish speakers, right here in the US. Even Ted Kennedy says immigrants have to learn English. I guess those would have to be government funded clinics, since it is a segment of the market that is unprofitable. And wouldn't that basically be government funding for illegal aliens? Are you proposing the exact sort of program we are looking for in this discussion?So we have what so far? Health care and schools are two biggies, multi-lingual requirements on American business is one. Destruction of neighborhoods by illegal alien gangs is pretty big. Credit given to people that may not even exist might be a problem (but the person using the card exists.) Just the amount of money sent back to Mexico by workers here is a factor. That is money that doesn't get reinvested here. I'm thinking our tax structure and some incentive programs may be rooted in the idea that the government money or incentives will have a multiplying effect. Money given to encourage new business gets spent in the US, where other people pay more tax on it, perhaps enough to pay for the program. (that is partly the idea with lowering taxes increasing gov' revenues, as seems to be the case) But if the money is invested with illegals or recent immigrants, much of that gets short circuited as the funds go to Mexico. Sorry if I broadened this too much, but I'd be surprised if there are any direct payments to illegals, unless they provide fake ID.