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I didn't find any sites free of political opinion and editorial comments, but I did find a couple favorable "reviews" ... Showalter thought the book did a "wonderful job" of dramatizing "the role of women in the West … she'd clearly read [the historical research] and wrote sympathetically. It's about women breaking away from the dollhouse and striking out on their own." If Cheney ever did allow a reprint, Showalter would probably be delighted to write a jacket blurb. Cheney, who earned a PhD in literature — that's one of the liberal arts — set the book in 1886 Wyoming, a rough paradise where women got the vote in 1869 and used it. When the territory was invited to become a state in a nation that barred women from voting, Wyoming thumbed its nose at Congress — "We may stay out of the Union 100 years, but we will come in with our women" — and kept state suffrage. The West led the way for women, and Wyoming led the West. Soon Colorado, Idaho, Utah and Washington gave women the vote; so, in 1911, did California. The cover describes the heroine as "beautiful, strong-willed," which is book-jacket code for an uppity woman about to be tamed by some man. Not this time. The lesbianism, the adultery, the contraception would offend some Bush voters, but it's the frank, uncensorious feminism that's really astonishing. Cheney's women do what has to be done. No divine bolt splits the heavens to punish lesbians and fornicators. Life happens.

that was just a goof Hap ... I never cast out spirits even in twi days ... certainly not now. But you did get awfully noisy and ugly when I cast doubt on your motives. You didn't even discuss "the topic" ... it was really only about politics to start, I didn't turn anything. Well you haven't come up with a story on where you did hear of this book. The only places found are sites that use it as an attack. It is so rare that your hate site is selling their copy for $1500. One sold for around $800 on ebay. And Lynne didn't want it reprinted, so I doubt this pdf is really even legal. But you lauded the hate site as interesting, while making no comment on the book which was supposedly your topic .. which you had not even read. You could hardly be more transparent, but your "deny, deny, deny" policy is in full force. Since you never once discussed your alleged topic, and your site was a vile hate site, I am choosing to not believe you. No I don't have any connection with homeland security. I doubt that declaring solidarity with violent black panthers would get anyone on a watch list, but you never know. As to handling myself, hey, you are the one that put up the link to lesbian erotica.

Well since the charade appears over ... I'd like to add that despite how Garth and Hap tried to paint me as blindly loyal to Bush, I hate George Bush ... largely because of his push for amnesty for illegals, but on several issues. And as to the Attila reference …I've taken a few tests of where I am at politically and find myself smack dab near the middle. I'm not sure where Attila would test. And while Hap accused me of telling lies ... It seemed quite obvious Hap's motive here is not what he stated ... He states he brought this book up with the motive of discussing women's issues and roles. Yet he offered not one thing on his supposed subject, and his site offered nothing on the subject. I'm not the one being dishonest. This obscure book has been part of a line of attack against Cheney from the left for some time, as Garth's "research" shows ... which is certainly how Hap heard of it, and that is the motive for it being presented here. It is ludicrous for Hap to claim otherwise, and yet he does, when I pressed him on the issue. The book appeared to have a lot of research and may well contain some insights. But they are not in the "sexually explicit" quotes from Hap's site. Since the Cheney's daughter Liz, is a lesbian, it would seem likely that has something to do with Lynne's interest in this subject, and perhaps in making a lesbian the "hero." I found one person that had read it from the pdf ... Anyway, the book wasn't that hot, I read it cover-to-PDF-cover. It did touch on a lot of taboo issues. I thought she did it in a very dignified way, personally, not soft-porn at all. Posted by Kate on Sun Jan 15, 2006 at 01:42 AM But less dignified is Hap's page, where it has a picture of Lynne with the words "Diesel Dyke" ... and offers to sell you the T-shirt. :blink:

It ain't so ... :) well, I was just confused ... they could be the same I guess. But probably not ...

Well maybe you are missing the comedic genious that is Bumpy ... I don't think bumpers was saying it didn't exist, but that it is indeed rare ... it ranks Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,606,203 in Books ... perhaps it is a great book, we'll probably never know, as no one here has ever read it.

yes ... send me in first ... I will charge blindly through ... trampling all in sight ... attempts to confront me with claims I'm possessed will be met with the horn, which they can not cast out ... and as I stand on their chest I will ask them ... "where is the gold?" the squirrell batallion can follow up and chomp on any nuts it finds ... of course I'll find the booze too, so soon they'll have a drunk rhino, which you really don't want at your party ... what are we talking about anyway?

Well Skyrider, I think you are reading this wrong, and it is the first case of vp actually ministering healing to anyone that I have ever heard of .. First vp got the guy out of servitude at hq ... then he put him in a position to get healed of his physcial ailment, by sending him away from twi ... of course vp was acting out of ego, but in this case he really seems to have healed the guy ... twice :)

HA ... I thought of the "we're all gone now" line ... like just because Hap says it is about "women's roles" we should ignore that he said nothing about what he claims is the topic, and neither did the site that he linked to. And the quotes were selected to support Wolf's attack on Lynne ... In accordance with what Hap said about women's roles? He said nothing on the subject ... The main focus of the link is NOT about women's roles in the west ... it is only trying to prove that Lynne was lying when she said the book was not sexually explicit. It is not one iota about women's roles in the old west ... it only pulls a few selected quotes from the book to trash Cheney ... it is a hate Bush parody site ... you really think they are discussing the roles of women in the old west? It is fun to watch you guys do your little crab walk, and ask me to discuss the book, that no one here has read or discussed. Shell offered the only good quote, and that was not from the book or the site.

Ha ... inciteful as ever Mr. Bump ... I entirely missed the double meaning .. and so fitting for the subject matter ...

last I saw ... he was dangerously close to a rather large pelican ... and he was sharing a blanket with the thing ... he said it was his biggest catch ... I hope they are happy, where ever they are ... :o

But Hap you made no mention of women's roles, no thoughts .. you just gave the link. Yes there is plenty of Bush bashing directly on your link. And other profane items, like Lynne reading "lezbo erotica" to a child. Or maybe you don't consider "diesel dy*ke" around a picture of lynne cheney profane. And there is plenty more just like that ...maybe you have them blocked. And there is the youtube of wolf interviewing lynne, trying to show her as hypocritical because her book is explicit. That is editorial comment The quotes are only picked to try to show she was explicit. That amounts to more editorial comment. Are you saying those quotes represent what you admired about the book? Oh, you wouldn't know ... you haven't even read it. They have the book presented to try to attack Cheney ... and you haven't even read the book, so of course can't discuss it ... maybe you should consider who is being disingenuous here ... tell us why you suddenly felt compelled to share this in this open forum. You certainly have offered no insights into women's issues and roles. Your charade is up Hap ... give it a break. And Garth, don't roll over so easily ... This is like casting out spirits, they won't usually leave without wailing and gnashing of teeth ... so go ahead Hap, rail on about your true intent here is to use Sisters to expound on women's roles and issues, just as soon as you read it ... that will be a funny little act to watch.

The point Garth, is this is all political, and the site is political, and it is pretty nasty political at that. Hap intones that I bring this up because I despise strong women, which is absurd. Even the quotes from the book at that site are to try to prove Lynne had explicit sexual content in her book, which she explicitly denies. The quotes don't seem all that explicit, but that is the intent of the "Hate Bush" site putting them up. They also have the interview with Wolf Blitzer accusing her of this, while supposedly interviewing her about a children's book. (too bad Wolf turned into pus kitty cat when questioning Hillary) Hap gave no commentary on anything of interest about strong women from the book, .. this is a political attack plain and simple. It belongs in the political forum. Hap is trying to be too coy by half ... I guess you could say. Why would he not answer my question? But since Sisters if is about the strong role of lesbians in the west, it would seem Tammy would fit in, as she personifies that.

But why would Sisters be of interest here? And why would you need to check to see if it was a spoof? And you didn't answer my question ... though you did give quite an imaginary description of me. But can you answer my simple question? Why did you put a book by a Republican here, whose husband you most likely feel should be impeached ... oh, and during a time they are starting talk about Cheney's impeachment ... can you honestly answer that? The only thing you noted about the book is that it was by the vice president's wife. And your link is to a profane "Hate Bush" site. The quotes from the book are chosen by the "Hate Bush" site people apparently ... how did you decide to read this book that you are so fascinated with .... HAP? Did you gain some insights about strong women, and how they overcame obstacles in the early West? I would gladly vote for a woman president if she held more conservative political views. I'd vote for Tammy Bruce .. but I don't think she is running. But just because I won't vote for Hillary doesn't mean I "disdain women with strong wills .." But again Hap .. you said nothing about what you gleaned from this book ... you sent people to your profane "HateBush" site to find out anything. And you said the "Hate Bush" site was fun to peruse around. You said more about your opinion of the "Hate Bush" site than you said about the book that was supposedly your topic. And for those of you playing along at home, it is because I point things like this out to Hap, that he has such a vile opinion of me. But if you want to discuss the literary value of this book, that supposedly Hap found so intriguing, but had no comment on, fine by me.

Hap .. do you have any motive in bringing up this book from 1981 .. other than to intro your political site that trashes Bush with a lot of foul language? Yes, we know you are very far left, and you take every opportunity to trash Bush ... why did you think this would be of interest in the open forum?

I knew Buffalo Bill travelled around, but I didn't know he had a part of the country designated especially for the uneducated :o But that would explain a lot about that New York attitude ;)

technically I think Goop removes gook ... Happy turkey day ... or Ham day, in my case ...

I'd suppose vp looked to add something "cool" in the corps program, but it had to be in light of him being the great master of all. The concept of bringing in experts on various subjects to teach for a few days is interesting, but vp couldn't be outdone ... so he had to claim MOGFOT status over any threat. The guy that did the astronomy work on JC Our Promised Seed ran into conflicts somewhere ... he obviously knew a ton more than VP, but something had to be VP's way, I forget now. It seems that was a big issue, but somehow twi claimed ownership and published the book, with VP's name on it.. I'm sure many good innovative people and ideas were stomped out because they conflicted with these top dog egos.

was there a clare in 9th corps? that married a ruc**uzzo or something?

I'd wonder why God would have "his gift ministers" ordained by such a corrupt, harmful, fraudulent type group. Maybe it just meant they were full of the spirit of Wierwille type BS ... true ministers were probably shunned by twi ...

Yes ... it IS my fault ... But I will say if old JAL is still playing full court, he may indeed be a god ... if I recall correctrly, the part he "could have figured out" was about the adultry with young corps babes ... what was going on in that basement at Emporia? Like it took a lot of research to figure out adultry and/or sex with your "spiritual underlings" was wrong. Gag. As I said somewhere else, why not just put out kegs in the basement and we all could have partied together ... but that might have been too obvious. He did have a sense of humor, a couple that tried harder than I to change things, said they went and complained about many things wrong at Emporia, and after their long intense spiel JAL said ... "so how do you feel about what we're doing with Allen gym?" but nothing changed ...

I'd suspect it was worse than that in some cases. It would fit the fraud that some assignments were special ... perhaps those that might blow the whistle on hypocrisy and fraud were more apt to be sent to bumpluck, Arkansas ... while those more willing to play along went to more interesting spots? I certainly like Bluefield, WV better than Pine Bluff, Arkansas ... but if they'd sent me to Maine or Seattle I may have stayed there. (even northern Arkansas would have been much nicer than the smelly grid iron that was Pine Bluff.) Anyway, it just seems likely some had connections to get certain places with certain people ... it would be interesting to hear the scoop on that. Of course all corps/wows were equal, but some were more equal than others. <_<

poor Ohio state ... dropped to #7 ... quite a year for the Illini ... beat Wisconsin when they were ranked #5 ... then whom ... Michigan when they were 21 or so? or was it Penn State ... anyway ... didn't chem doctorates at least learn to spell their numbers? Just hasseling you after a recent conversation on common spelling mistakes ... :o

now you're mixing your metaphors threads It is easier to just sleep in the car at a rest stop, down by the river ... a case of beer in the cooler in the trunk ... I don't need no steenkin' uncleaning ladies ...

. exactly what I was thinking ... just show them the money ... and did anyone really get kicked out? unless it was for not having the money? Ars kissing was less a requirement than the money ... I imagine you got kicked out once your income was below the break even point, unless you were a carpenter or had some special skills ... (like being good in kneepads) :o

too bad he couldn't have been indicted, convicted and suspended from baseball before he set the record ...