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Mostly a waste ... if there were positives, they were conteracted by bad habits/attitudes that needed to be overcome later. And since that was our 20's, for most of us ... it is easy to think of about a hundred other more worthwhile pursuits that would have built a better future. But then, lotsa people waste their youth.. TWI was moderately better than being addicted to heroin for ten years ... I suppose ... Of course I guess I could have done both .... Some did smoke and drink their way through twi, they called them leadership ... But I sure hope George doesn't dress up like Spiderman to go to work ... though I have heard the other George has a Green Lantern costume ... oh well, why not? Didn't lcm dress like a super hero in AOS? :blink:

And some Indians may be my relatives ... and I want my land back ... and we were here before those darn Siberian Indians ... A Controversial Theory "To produce a modern European out of a Neanderthal, all you have to do is reduce the robustness," Brace said. Scale down the heavy teeth, jaws and brow of the Neanderthal and you have a European, he said. It is a controversial theory because most scientists believe that Neanderthals were an evolutionary dead-end, people who lived side-by-side with the Cro-Magnons who were the earliest Homo sapiens but who did not interbreed with them. But Loring said his measurements that compare the skulls of people all over the world suggest a resemblance among peoples living in Europe, along the coastlines of Asia and into ancient North America. He also found two distinct groups among the Native Americans. "It is clear there are two major groups and they are not closely related to each other at all," Brace said. One group physically more resembles East Asians, especially modern Chinese, while the second looks a lot like the Ainu. "Some of the Plains Indians don't look Native American at all," Brace said. He thinks they may have come from the same lineage as Kennewick Man did.

It seems fairly recent study has found the Indians did not all arrive from the land bridge that connected Asia and North America some 15,000 years ago. That had been so widely accepted, I thought this was post worthy. WHO were the FIRST Americans? The accumulating skeletal and genetic evidence suggests that the earliest populations to move into the Americas were not Asians whose primary genetic background was that of residents of northeastern Asia and eastern Mongolia (the old view). At the end of 1999 scientists meet in California and New Mexico to mull over the implications of recently discovered or restudied ancient American skeletons, most of which date between 8,600 and 11,000 years ago. And what they discovered has shaken the foundations of the anthropological communities. Instead of resembling the historically known American Indians, the wide range of skull shapes which have come to light so far display affinities with populations as diverse as the Ainu of Japan, peoples of central Asia, Australasia, India, southwest Asia, even the Neandertals of Europe (see Ancestors of the New World Had Multiple Origins for more information about the possible Neandertal connection). Genetic evidence also supports the idea of multiple migrations of people coming from distinctly different genetic poplations: perhaps as many as four or five different genetic populations. For an idea of what some of these earliest Americans may have looked like, go here. And then I found this ... Human footprints discovered beside an ancient Mexican lake have been dated to 40,000 years ago. If the finding survives the controversy it is bound to stir up, it means that humans must have moved into the New World at least 30,000 years earlier than previously thought. .... But when were they made? It has taken the team two years, using a panoply of high-tech dating techniques, to determine that the prints are about 40,000 years old. The key date came from shells in the lake sediments, which the team carbon-dated to 38,000 years ago. Sand grains baked into the ash and dated using optically stimulated luminescence corroborated the finding. It is interesting how I accepted things as true, but only in the last several years have some things that were and are commonly accepted, found to be completely wrong. Maybe it doesn't really matter, but it does seem interesting .... who were the first peoples on these lands? I have found a few Indian artifacts around here ... and have several more that my uncles found on the farm ...

Hey JudyB ... ha ... you must be doing a lot of reading to find that ... I've been hanging around greasspot for a couple years now, but before that, the thought of twi hardly even crossed my mind for about a decade ... so it is a little weird when you hear the old religion brought up with all the phraseology ... a little spooky at first :) but yeah, but I was much too rigid in doctrine during those 11 twi years ... then I find not only would it have been more fun outside of twi, but they were even partying without me inside twi ... :o oh well ... I made up for a little of it, and I'm not dead yet ... still time ... may be a little more difficult to find fine young thangs now though, the drooling kinda gives me away ... welcome to the greasy spot ... there is another thread about the new improved corps principles in another small way corps like group with another victor paul wierwille, or V2P2 as he is affectionately called here ...

I did find that it is now illegal to melt or export nickels and pennies ... it seems pennies and nickels are worth more for their metal than their currency value.

So did the kitchen guy stand up to mini mog? It seems some were schizo' ... they felt privileged and could play the mini mog role, but weren't quite "sold out" or totally delusional, so it was tempered a little. But maybe those types are the ones that left by 1986.

My experiences with WalMart customer service has always been positive. They seem to have a "the customer is always right" point of view. I think policy is more about being efficient than deceptive. From this little vignette, it is hard to say if the girl understood the manager was asking her to lie, but it seems clear enough it was a lie. I doubt that is WalMart policy, and the store manager should be informed of bad behavior. But it does bring up the ethical question ... is it OK to lie to customers, if you are doing it to keep your job? The obvious answer is no, but in fact it seems to have become the way many employers routinely do business. Today policy seems to be "see what you can get away with", at many places at least. If the machine ate and destroyed a rollof film, Ron probably should have gotten the others for free. It was an accident, but it was their accident. Calling customer service seems a simple step ... or the manager, as vickles suggested.

Good thoughts ... it was mostly the time in TWI that did harm I think, more than location. My last twi stop I chose on my own, and was really getting out for the last twi year in 86. But I stayed in New Orleans another 14 years and liked the place. The good ol' window washing business was fine, and allowed me free time to play a lot. Volleyball, fshing, sailing, and some traditional New Orleans food and events. And beer. I met several groups of friends. Then I moved "home" partly to help family, and partly to get away from the routine. Fortunately that meant I also mised Katrina. Things here are good, but like some said, if you miss events for 30 years, it is really not quite the same. It really feels like my friends are mostly still in New Orleans. I'm still wide open on possibilities for the next 35 years ... which I like. I can watch the deer and coyotes, grow some grapes and make some wine ... should be fun ... I don't feel compelled to "accomplish" anything ... more just want to enjoy things ... of course retirement to a place where things are cheaper and climate is perfect might be nice ... so far I like the midwest ... it is nice to have seasonal changes. But in ten years, maybe India will be the retirement mecca ... who knows what might lie ahead ? I don't have enough close family here to stay for too long, just for that. I'll stay if I'm still happy here ... maybe travel some with this as home base. I could assign myself to be a WOW rover, and come visit some of you guys ... But really, there are people I would like to visit ... and places to see ...

You could just send an email to the customer relations department. Show them what you wrote here and tell them the store and the manager. Also tell them you posted this on a board read by hundreds. They'll probably compensate you and talk to the manager. You save the gas money and the hassle, and probably get some kind of refund. Unless you just wanted to go and see if you could make the maager cry too.

According to the NY Fed, there is about $820 billion in currency in circulation, most of which is held outside the US. So most of our fake money is not even paper and ink ... except maybe ink in some ledger, if they even do that. Probably just electronic entries on computer. I wonder if there are any coins that would hold value at all, ifthe dollar collapsed. i know some buy bags of silver or gold coins ... but I mean just regular coins. Pennies aren't even copper now, I don't think nickels are nickel either ... not sure though. Better to have some bullets I guess, though those are expensive too. Or a good tractor might hold value and could give a return on investment. I think the idea was to keep people from sitting on their cash, but rather to put it to work. This keeps the economy rolling. But if people start swapping out for other currenies, and the US dollar crashes, they don't have anything like gold to stop it. You'll get your money, but it is just a question of how much it will be worth. I sent you a pm Ron, about a tractor question if you have time ...

I guess we won't get free analysis from Rumrunner on the Argos data, except that it is inconclusive ... but links to previous posts on the general global warming science from RumRunner are here and here and here. In general I'd summarize his thoughts are that it is all inconclusive ... except that there is some warming over the long term, which has not been disputed. One of those RumRunner quotes ... It is true that there is distinct evidence of global warming and it is also true that it is unclear how much of the cycle is natural and how much humans have contrbuted too. Humans love to hate each other. However a couple of points to remember. There plenty of evidence for "ice ages" where polar ice sheets ran all the way down into the continental U.S. After a few thousand years the globe warmed... and you have a nice sweet temporate zone in the northern hemispher that is hospitable to us warm-blooded crunchy things. You pick :) Second issue which is still out is the cloud physics. Global warming will, theoretically produce larger quantites of greenhouse gases. They are called that, possibly erroneuosly, because originally it was, and still is in many circles, thought that those gases will result in increased, perhaps global cloud cover. The clouds hold the heat, the self feeding cycle gets worse. But WAIT THERE'S - a pack of Ginzu knives - oops wrong channel - let's go back the the clouds again. Every cloud physicist has this great dilemma. Where do we GET our heat in the first place? Well some is internal but almost every bit of it is from solar energy. Clouds are white - well mostly - but we wont go there. If they are white and they are global then they REFLECT SUNLIGHT...which means less energey getting under the cloud layers and less terrestrial heating. And hears the kicker - the best cloud physicist in the world can't tell you which way it would really go. All of the models and simulations suffer in that the slightests tweaks will make a model pick the other choice. To me, the stability in the ocean temps seems a very good indicator that the world is not coming to an end, despite increased CO2 levels. We just had some snow on Easter, so another one degree rise in temps over the next 100 years is OK by me.

I really don't see who is riled ... but 5 years of global ocean measurements down to 6500 feet is not "anecdotal data". That is the hardest of data, as far as I see ... worth gettin excited about ... It may be "inconclusive" that we broke a warming trend, but it is very hard data that we have not warmed in the face of increased CO2 ... so that is the issue ... as I see it. As far as concern over the legacy we leave ... Rachel Carson meant well with her Silent Spring bad data, that in the name of envionmentalism, killed millions by eliminating DDT as an effective weapon against deadly virus carrying mosquitoes. We are just now bringing it back as an effective weapon to save lives.

Oh come on RR ... you are directly involved and will not comment? Except to say this is not conclusive? All I see is it seems sun spot activity is more the culprit, and this seems to agree with correlation with that more than CO2 levels. Sun spot activity seems to agree that we would have some cooling now ... IIRC But what other explanation is there for a slight decrease in such a large mass? I don't quite understand how you are a scientist in "global variability" since you were 21. Were you not in the corpse? Were you in this field (was that a field then?) since you were 21? But you have commented with an opinion, why take it to PM? Somehow I think cherry cheesecake may be involved ...

why bother to put the site up? The idea of establishing a presence for tax purposes might make sense. I'm not sure it is really evidence, but it is something. Or it is something someone considering the thang might find ... and they wouldn't find this commentary ... or maybe they would. But if it is a real thang, why not give a few details, instead of just some vague dream? Probably the only real plan is to get workers and pay them by lettingt hem listen to tapes. My off the wall opinion ... I sure hope they put up details of their schedules and teachings and middle of the night excercise drills on the grid iron ... I really want to see if history repeats itself ... Maybe there will be an uprising, and the 12 volunteers will mutiny ... they'll take control and turn their masters overseers into their slaves ... arrrgggghhhh matey ...

The thread is about the science ... not all the stuff you just posted. ... You don't have an answer why the 3000 buoys showed a slight cooling since they were put in service some five years ago ... all the way down to 6500 feet in the oceans around the globe? This is where warming should be most obvious in evidence. CO2 up ... ocean temps down ... explain that science boy ... oh ... you're in your twenties ... I knew everything at that age also ... Oh, but you are saying this is all about the science to you? But I'm glad Hap spoke up, so i looked up the site .. it is really pretty nifty, pretty much live data from all these buoys ... technology is groovy ...

So it is those drummers fault .. nice you unearthed that broadcast ... We don't even have to get used to it ... a one degree change over a lifetime is hardly insufferable ... not even detectable. But this whole "tipping point" scare mongering seems to get a big slap in the face from this ocean data. Not to mention that rising CO2 has not casued rising temps in the last five years, and that the portion of man made CO2 that can be reduced is even more insignificant. Good to have you chime in TL and you too jen-o ... it does seem a mother earth religion thing for many, and a huge political tool for others, and a giant source of funding for scientists ...

It says they dive down to 3000' ... I figured they took readings at all levels down to that ... and thought you were referring to It's also possible that some of the heat has gone even deeper into the ocean, he says.

Well the part about global warming being "cancelled" was tongue in cheek ... but the article did say what I quoted. And they don't have deep temps that you mention, the best temps they have surprised them, because it goes contrary to their theory. Of course they want to understand this data in light of their theory ... but the data is what it is ... not warming, but cooling over five years. The article is exactly about this data being contrary to what they thought it should be. Thanks for the data link ... but the real issue is about the CO2, which keeps going higher, while for five years there is no warming according to the ocean data. As for me judging who is a goofball, you cited some guy that was just positng a comment on some other site... he was a nobody ... why don't you just make your own insults? The article title is The Mystery of Global Warming's Missing Heat So it is all about this ocean data showing no warming. It is a mystery becasue they thought heat should show up in the ocean. A more scientific observation would not assume there is heat that is missing, but only state that there is no heat. Why not ... Ocean Data Shows Evidence of Global Cooling But they cling to the theory over the data.

A week? This was ocean temps over four or five years. No warming but a slight cooling. Where did you come up with .58 degrees above the mean? The gist of my post is about the data .. the article is by NPR, they already believe in AGW, but they have no way to explain away this very significant data. It is not the NPR nuts that are going to argue my point. But they admit it flies in the face of their pet theory. What you quote and seem to accept by faith is funny .. "And it may be that we are in a period of less rapid warming." So those that have accepted AGW have to define data in terms of their belief, no scientific method necessary. Over the last four or five years, the oceans have cooled slightly, which they redefine as "a period of less rapid warming" The first paragraph says it all .... it has the data , then the NPR writer trying to explain it away. Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years. That could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren't quite understanding what their robots are telling them. The message is not puzzling nor suggested ... it is data that says the oceans are slightly cooling over four or five years. Easy data to read... unless you have already accepted AGW over evidence. The writer can only accept that AGW is taking a breather, which is a goofy term ... it could also mean we are no longer in a warming trend, or that the supposed warming data is skewed. But the writer of the article only offers one other option, scientists aren't understanding the slight cooling correctly. So according to him, cooling ocean temps over five years still needs to be understood in light of his theology ... it really somehow must indicate warming. The goofballs that write the insults are true believers in AGW like you Hap ... I'm just looking at the rather significant data. This is evidence against a constant warming due to man made CO2. Oh, and I believe climate changes, that is not really theory... and currently probably it has warmed one degree over the last hundred years. But if man's CO2 is still rising, and that is the theoretical cause, then these ocean temps slightly cooling over the last five years instead of warming, needs to be explained since it is stong evidence against the theory. They can't explain it away. Ocean temps are much more stable than air temps, and whether we have accurate measurement within one degree over the last 100 years is questionable. Weather stations are moved, and buildings sprout up next to the stations. But the best data on ocean temps shows a slight cooling over the last four or five years ... which is significant. the oceans are what really matter when it comes to global warming. In fact, 80 percent to 90 percent of global warming involves heating up ocean waters. They hold much more heat than the atmosphere can.

Happy Happy birthday George ... I've just recently been in touch with Sohmur (janie) ... and Vonda ... seems like old times :) we need a chambana reunion ... well, fun to think about ... those were the days my friend ... but Happy birthday anyway

I'm stealing this from "the purple avenger" .. but it was pretty funny Woman Goes for Leg Operation, Gets New Anus Instead No, she didn't marry her surgeon ... if that's what you're thinking ...

Well ... this is just a guess, not based on anything but an opinion Similar phenomenon have occurred before in the southern Magallanes region. As glaciers retreat lakes form behind natural dams of ice or moraine, earth and stones pushed up by a glacier. Those relatively weak dams can be breached suddenly, causing the lake to drain. The advance and retreat of glaciers is part of the normal dynamics of the Patagonia but climate change was distorting the process, Rivera said. "This would not be happening if the temperature had not increased," Rivera said. But it has happened before, it is just a weak dam breaking ... hardly the same as ocean temps not rising. This past winter's weather could send a mixed message. Globally, it was the coolest December through February since 2001 and a year of heavy snowfall. Despite that, it was still warmer than average for the 20th century. If it is global warming, oceans should be warming ... but we can see the uptrend has been soundly broken. It is more evidence of a regular cycle than the runaway warming the alarmists are promoting, so we should calm down a ittle before passing more crippling CO2 laws.

Oh, and there's more ... Miskolczi's story reads like a book. Looking at a series of differential equations for the greenhouse effect, he noticed the solution -- originally done in 1922 by Arthur Milne, but still used by climate researchers today -- ignored boundary conditions by assuming an "infinitely thick" atmosphere. Similar assumptions are common when solving differential equations; they simplify the calculations and often result in a result that still very closely matches reality. But not always. So Miskolczi re-derived the solution, this time using the proper boundary conditions for an atmosphere that is not infinite. His result included a new term, which acts as a negative feedback to counter the positive forcing. At low levels, the new term means a small difference ... but as greenhouse gases rise, the negative feedback predominates, forcing values back down. NASA refused to release the results. Miskolczi believes their motivation is simple. "Money", he tells DailyTech. Research that contradicts the view of an impending crisis jeopardizes funding, not only for his own atmosphere-monitoring project, but all climate-change research. Currently, funding for climate research tops $5 billion per year. So again, crisis averted ... well, it never existed in the first place ... but at least we can focus on more real problems now ...

Well, NPR says ocean temps are not rising, which they surely would if there was global warming. Thank God ... this should save US a couple $trillion ... In fact, 80 percent to 90 percent of global warming involves heating up ocean waters. They hold much more heat than the atmosphere can. So Willis has been studying the ocean with a fleet of robotic instruments called the Argo system. The buoys can dive 3,000 feet down and measure ocean temperature. Since the system was fully deployed in 2003, it has recorded no warming of the global oceans. Kevin Trenberth at the National Center for Atmospheric Research says it's probably going back out into space. The Earth has a number of natural thermostats, including clouds, which can either trap heat and turn up the temperature, or reflect sunlight and help cool the planet. That can't be directly measured at the moment, however. "Unfortunately, we don't have adequate tracking of clouds to determine exactly what role they've been playing during this period," Trenberth says.