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ya Rascal, but it is treading on ice ya know? Very thin ice. So I choose carefully.

Hahahah funny TC. Why? Well I have lots of Family still in and I had to share with my hubby all the stuff I am learning. It has taken time for this to SINK in, he's been born and bread Way Ministry. But, we just finished (yesterday) the Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse and it was very helpful. We will see what steps we are going to take over the next few weeks or so. :P-->

You know, I am sorry that this stuff had happend to you guys. It sucks. I think piting spouses against eachother (or kids for that matter) is about the worst thing they could've done to folks. I was totally guilty of thinking evil of those that walked away, only doing(blindly obedient) what I was taught. But over the years and unfortuatly it has taken time, we realized that people who left are "believers" too, and everything just didn't make sense anymore. Especially the more we made the Word OUR own and not just studying a class syllabi, we could'nt make some of the Way doctrine fit. I believe God makes a way to escape for all of us, and keeps making them until we wake up and see the door open.I have had to confront this "going back to vomit" thinking with many friends, so I am not going out without a fight. bliss

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Hey guys~ thanks for all the words of wisdom.... I think the real issue is a two parter.. what to tell friends and what to tell leadership. You're right, I don't need to tell them anything, but we like to conduct ourselves in a respectful, polite manner, whether it's recipricol or not. So, the questions would be really statements of fact and why we aren't going anymore, end of story. For our friends, well, WE love them, and I think most have heard an earful here and there to be around after we leave. Most of the reasons people are still there (the ones that have been in a long time) are so use to the doctrine, to change is so foreign. I mean only Jehovah's W and us teach jCisNG, so where would they go?(*generally, i know offshoots ect.. ) They haven't even considered the fact that some doctrine is wrong! They know the "practice" is sure lacking, but the doctrine? no way! So, you all gave me a nice start, of course how it all plays out when I am in the midst of it is a whole nother story Thanks everyone, and you can keep it coming...... bliss

I have way too much info all jumbled up in this brain of mine (GS is so chock full)and I have really good friends at HQ and around the globe, that are going to want an explaination to my sudden (to them) disappearance. So: A top 10 list please of real, provable, no doubt about it questions to ask them before I tell them? thanks

Thanks, Lindy for bringing this up. Since I am an unsatisfied innie, it is nice to know that they PAID for it. Certainly not what they told us......they bragged and bragged..... "look at our spot on MSNBC, they PICKED US to be on, out of hundreds of people....blah blah." Sorry to say :(-->i even bragged about it myself) but now the Truth has set me free!!!! Thanks bliss

Thanks, yes slow is the answer. Belle- remember, he was "in TWI since sperm"..born and bred... He had no other interests..... bliss

Thanks all for your very insightful and kind words. It is nice to know we are not alone, yet we have to face this on the inside, the fight with ourselves and what we really believe. I am starting to clean the slate, so to speak, but hubby is still just finding out all that really went down and is having a very hard time sorting all out.... He believes it, with the people anyway, doctrinally, he's not going for it....not yet. I am giving him crumbs to nibble, not to overwhelm him. He hasn't read this thread yet, just waiting for the right time. Any suggestions? bliss :(-->

oh sorry :o--> eagle, I hope your knee gets better real soon, I be prayin!

i am not sure if that was really 2 thoughts...or just one BIG ONE!!hehehe :D--> bliss

I have 2 thoughts.. My mom was carrying my brand new baby sis(29years ago) and some kids left bicycles right outside the doors to the store....my mom couldn't see them in time and fell and my 2 day old sis got a concusion. Who's at fault, well all 3, 1 for not looking down, another for leaving their bikes, and another for not cleaning up the front of store...bottom line she just wanted the medical bill paid so that is what she did out of court. So that would be my advice, write a nice letter to the company or Manager and just let them know the deal.. **** happens, we all blow it, don't let lawyers get in the way of mistakes....I have spilled ice and water on my kitchen floor and forgot to pick it up and then watched in horror as my little ones flew across it on their head.............bad mommy

What could you possibly do after midnight that you couldn't do before? That was one question.....I think I will use it on my teenagers though....

That abbreviation CFS= Christian Fam and S*x class!!!

Yes, the C***t*r's teach this class. It was the TOTAL opposite from CFS! I've taken all of them, and this was so "pure and innocent". They did hit on adultery as wrong and had some enlightening points about why it was "winked" at in the old testament to have more that one wife.... from the beginning God's original plan was 1 husband and 1 wife. But being used to the "racey" classes, this one was so stiff, we laughed. It looked like the nuns from Sunday school teaching it. Not relaxed and casual , more like memorizing the notes reading the prompter, smile/laugh when it says.....weird. So when something silly is to be said, it just didn't feel right. For example: He is addressing young people and how to not touch a woman (sexually) until marriage and to learn to keep your thoughts under control, but if your passions get too much, then "Solitary masturbation is fine."...(with a straight face). It seemed very uncomfortable and odd... But from what I read it was better for kids than some of Vepee's old classes!!!

Napkinlady, Thank you for your words. A friend of mine who has been"out" for 2 years now, shared a similar story, she got down on her knees(which she never did,) and prayed "what is YOUR will Lord"?- I cryed when she told me, because it expressed the thing that I have been missing for so long..A real heart cry to be close to God, and for some reason (many actually) it was lost. All the mandates, rules, confronting, ritual, no inspiration, borrrrrrrrrrrrrring teachings, led me to this breaking point. Being still officially (unofficially) in, I see what they are trying to do....but it is like perfumed poop, it is still poop! ( good idea by the way to put the "bad guys" in the epistles) I will do it and help my hubby through it. bliss

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Ham, Very insightful.. I have been pondering this question for a very long time. Since I am new here and still "in" (officially)unofficially, I have been getting so annoyed when folks say "I just need to get my believing UP THERE" and I try to gracefully chage subject. You are right it is not "our power" but God's and if He is no Respector of People, then what? My neighbor really enlightened me on this very thing the other day.. (unaware on their part). Her back yard is undeveloped, and she said for months she was "praying for the land to not be developed". Then she realized that maybe somebody was praying for the land to be, so they could have a home....so she stoped praying for that since it was fruitless and no amount of "believing" would change that outcome... Reminds me of two sport teams both praying to the same God to win.......who does God "bless?" Neither, but He will work in you to do your best and help keep you from getting hurt etc... I can go on and on. Still working this thru I tell ya.... -->

B*I*N*G*O, and Bingo was his namo! :D--> Seriously, it was only, and I mean ONLY until I decided to look at the Word on my own and try to "gel or fit" it into my brain, did I start to have questions....up until that point I just did the same thing, what they told me to "study" everyday, what books they already wrote, what the mag had, etc......even to prepare for teachings was all memorization, I wasn't really making anything "my own." Thus, my quest began.......

Ordered it, thanks all!

Oh now,lets not get too picky....my hubby still snarls at me when I forget to replace to toilet paper...... :o-->

Hope, that is one reason we among others have stayed for so long..praying,hoping, wishing, Believing, that things will get back to "the way it was...". But from what I am hearing and learning, it never "was" good. Just what we individually experienced, esp in the beginning when we knew nothing, so learning anything from the bible was so cool, and everything was just hunky dory, until you got seasoned and expectations rose,and suddenly you are not enjoying the bible anymore. It is no longer cool information, you want more, your vain repitition is getting to you and you haven't seen any miracles.....shall i continue?

Catcup, You nailed it, that is exactly the issue...hope. They blame "the people, not the product...". However I have come to realize, thanks much to all you Greasers out there, that the "product" has many flaws and needs blame. Do I blame God and the Word? Absolutely Not! But the "right division" from an organization that I started to elevate above God! Does any Christian bookstore have that book? I will check. Hubby needs it too.

oops sorry, I was trying to do the Quote thing......