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This verse in 2Peter was the beginning of my leaving TWI. It was this time last year, I just figured this verse to REALLY mean the origin of the Word, and that it is NOT about US! Here I was trying to sit through a Region coordintors fellowship, and he bodly taught this verse. (wrongly) What vigor and fervor he had, "YOU DO NOT INTERPRET THIS WORD" Then the OXYMORON begins, he's teaching "keys to the Word's interpretation", "the context"! HELLO? MCFLY? Did anyone catch this besides moi? Sad to say, only I was flaming out of my pants and ears and couldn't wait to get out of there! Evan , so glad I am letting the holy spirit teach me, what a weight off my shoulders. Love that, yes, constant rightly divid ING. fabulous.

Hi my dear kierkegaard!!!! Welcome. And yes, you make a great point. Unfortunately, the VEY is doing exactly that right now! Rewriting history again, pretending that "things" never really happen, or if they did, they DON't anymore.... it will repeat............ ((((mwah))))

I am actually reading the Screwtape Letters right now and Craigerrs sounds worse than those devils! They make me feel all warm and fuzzy........................

You are glad it is still going strong?????? If this is true Pond, you should go back, they would welcome you with open arms. You didn't make sense, and I am sorry if I am misunderstanding. I pray for them too..............................that they can be quiet just long enough for God to whisper.................."GET OUT"!

It is called the PREVAILING WORD AUDITORIUM now Rascal. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons I left TWI is because of the obsessive use of the word "PREVAIL" If I hear it one more time!!!!!...................... "And now for the prevailing power in the promised land of the prevailing word will now prevail in this day and time........................." CK- if this is true, it is sad. Don't they know that almost all mark and avoid folks were "wrongly" let go..........???? If they were all about the "love" now, they would throw away that list and welcome everyone with open arms. But, I digress, you can't build a love house on sand................

The last time I went to HQ in 200? That list was for ''check-ins" usually for the regulars or TC's ect... Sometimes, they had pre-prepared name tags for folks, or blank ones to write your name on.... Never was it a mark n avoid list. Now, they might have security guys walking around looking for ol "copouts" that might distrupt. Or when you tell them your name and a "red flag" comes up, well , that could be the case too. But, the list is for those who are expected etc.. Donna Martindale taught on LOVE last week. Seems that it took 10 times for her to be invited to a fellowship before she went................ that it was the LOVE that they had to keep at her....... it is oh so methodically planned out to bring back the LUV to this organization. Which makes LOVE so out of the picture altogether.

Yes the Co*&^%$ did a good TELEPROMPTER teaching......................................(snoor) It was very "basic". A very far cry from Dr's CFS class I tell ya. (not that I liked that one either) Quote " If you cannot contain your lusts, then , solitary masturbation is fine" ***grin**** Yes, the Way Ministry is moving up in the world of research. And NO Mention of John S paper on adultery, are you kidding?

All great insight everyone. Everyone of those reasons apply. I have just one tip for NOT cheating........... "do not con yourself into thinking your 'just freinds'" I have dealt with this for many girlfriends. Girls night out, guys night out, colleage to lunch, biz meetings....etc... These can potentially spell disaster for the "not so satisfied" spouse. DON"T GO THERE! you can easily "like' someone new, because you get all those endorphines rushing like you did the first month you dated your spouse. It's new and exciting , so duh, you can "fall" for someone else, easy. So DON"T START Say NO thank you to the so called "business lunches with the opposite sex" esp, if you have ANY attraction whatsoever. Why develop the attraction any further? I've had to learn not to be offended when men (mostly godly) don't look at me in the eye, keep it short, or just not bother chatting with me. I use to. But I have realized this is what leads to trouble. Esp when it comes to "ministers" and such. We've all learned our lesson here haven't we? There were times in the ministry when men grouped me too much, then, when others didn't I used to say "what 's wrong with me?" Then I grew up. I don't want them drooling, I want respect. If I need spiritual counsel, after my own hubby(not all can do this, I know), I'll go to the "wife" for help. At the church we attend, the head pastor has a cop follow him around to hold him "accountable". why? Because women flock to get "help" from him, and he wants to help, he just needs help to keep it strictly "on the word". So, there are many reasons why people cheat, it all comes down to , self, like Mark said. You should always turn "toward" eachother, not away. If you can't, well divorce is another topic. :blink:

tsk tsk john leave those kids alone, they know not what they do. WE were them once, and if someone came to rain on our parade.....well, it just "T"d us off..... (ps. I got info on FT , BTW)

oh DJS I can so relate. We just left this year, but we handled how badly we treated folks, about 5 or 6 years ago. Just flat out apologized to our fellowship for ANYTHING we did that made them feel bad or upset or just worthless. We only had a few "specific" apologies, since the treatment in general was bad we couldn't remember the little day to day anal nuonses. But apologized for all none-the-less. We yelled at everyone, thought we were better than everyone, (believer/non-believer), never looked at our own weaknesses, only others....................so sad. We quickly changed of course after the apologies, and then some....................that is why we aren't there now. It took 5 more years to figure it out. The way I see it and "saw" it even up until last year, is that the yelling has stopped,yes, but the heart of the ministry has not changed. People yes, have changed, they have great hearts..... but the "machine" of the ministry is a whole different animal. The "machine" has not changed. It is only shut off and stored in the hall closet for now. They haven't tried to fix the parts that are broken, or changed the ones that don't work the best, or add some new ones.......................................................................they will just grease it and fire it up when the time comes. UNDER RUG SWEPT (think that was an album title) :blink: lol anyway, history will always repeat itself if it is not addressed and dealt with HONESTLY. To my satisfaction, this has NOT been done. So yea, I was an @$$hole, try not be now, learned my lesson big and will always endevour to love my neighbor as myself.

Mark I needed a "do not know, or not sure" on the Jesus Christ poll. :blink:

Ya, let them get LCM back and watch Everyone leave. (imo) Are you kidding? Even "innies" don't want him back, they only want more "excitement". Would you go back ckmkeon?

L O L haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaahahahahahahhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Johnny , that was so funny yet so sad. I never heard of a battle like this, it is so NOT of God. But how you shared the story is hilarious. What EGO MANIACS the Way wanted and wants to produce. Its all about "ME" don't you know? In the 90's I got reproved for using the word "I" too much, like the "seed boy" in JOB. What they say and what they instill are polar opposites!

This was also mandated for Camp Gunnison you know.... Only 3 and a half hours away, over hills and MONARCH PASS. Sure, NO biggie. I remember all the work it took to get there, sometimes treacherous conditions, to only sit in the auditorium there for a "HOOKUP" to HQ. IT WASN"T EVEN A LIVE TEACHING! so you would stare at all the woodwork (beautiful) and most would doze off. Then, when over, go get a burger , back to the "changing room' get in the car, and head back OVER the pass home. We did this once a month for a year I think! ( i think even more than that) Oh wait, I forgot to mention "caravans". Yes, had to make sure you all traveled together. You know what it is like to follow a real slowpoke and keep track of all cars. And this was before cell phones! Once in a while we got walkie talkies. What a nightmare it was. I remember one night on the way back, it started snowing ice on the pass, I was literally "hanging outside the car banging ice off the wipers''. Thank God it was dark and I couldn't see the edge of the cliff we were on. Ahh those were the days...............

A DARK suit???? What's wrong with a cream or beige or light gray suit?

Thanks everyone, I do value your input. As mother, I like to trust in my gut and not others opinions for sure, but it is still a good measuring stick. When I told hubby, he was not happy. We think "what is the point of that?" Why not shave his head? Why shave legs (don't know if its live or not) and wear a dress. What bothers me is the whole "desensitizing" effect it has. Kinda like Britney Spears and her middriff outfits, after a while the kids don't think its a big deal. But where does it stop? Pretty soon, wearing bathing suit tops to the mall will be the norm. I think I will just inquire about it, and get the teacher/coach or principals take on this, to WHY he's doing it. I will let you know what happens.. thanks.

My daughter is competing in Jump Rope contest for the American Heart Association. Fine. Today she tells me, if they get the most money her PE coach will DRESS UP LIKE A GIRL IN A DRESS AND SHAVE HIS LEGS! She is 7 She laughed and thought it was funny. I got an "icky" feeling about this and not sure if I am making it too big a deal. I was going to write a note to the teacher and ask her to tell him NOT to do that. Any input?

Hi Third of Four, Yes, I often used that scenario to describe my situation........that is kind of like why we as "grads" would never tell a new person at fellowship, "don't own a home" etc..... You don't slam them with all the "rules" and "regs" the first day....it is a slow process...... Sound like an interesting read...

Love you Roy I have a little problem with 2 Peter 1:20. In the context it is talking about the "PROPHETS", and that THEY were not putting "their own" view or words when writing the scripture. IT was the spirit that moved them. TWI used this to tell us not to question or think about the verses and what they mean (no private interpretation). Bless bliss

Belle- (((((((((((((((( HER MOM????????????)))))))))) :blink:

After Johniam's slam I'll take Dumbie, or Dork for 20 , SOCKS! I was trying for Comedian, even Wise Cracker, but somewhere along the way,(in response to Johniam) I left my brain elsewhere! My hubby would vote for nosey/smartie pants, but he's not here to decide. I think you forgot Arrogants/Elitists on your list, you might want to add them............

I am so with you on that one DOOJ, I cry at all live music. I go to plays, as soon as I sit there, looking at the stage, I CRY. I can see them over and over, I still cry. The other day, after our bible study class, one of my friends wanted us to go "back stage" and meet up with the pianist, whom my hubby knew from work..... Anyway, we were standing there, with the choir, singing "I know God" or something. It was so overwhelming and powerful, I was moved to tears. I wasn't even staying for the service. (not yet we don't) It was more powerful than the Way corus choir IMO and all the while, different people are looking back at us, saying 'hi' and smiling. The whole time I am thinking, "who's going to get in trouble for bringing these new people(us) back stage." I mean, could you imagine, at HQ or any meeting for that matter, where there was practice or getting ready going on, and you just stroll to the back stage with newbies, to say HI to someone? I can hear the reproof now................. But to my releif and happiness, they were just blessed to see us. Gosh, what we used to put up with.

O M Gawd , Johniam, did you just compare the bible with ................................a dirty magazine?

Yes, weeping. Why was that so frowned upon? I remember VERY CLEARLY right after my first child was born. My baby had something wrong with her and had to go in a "machine". Nothing life threatening but for a first time mom, after 24 hours of labor, and only 12 hours later.... seeing my baby in a box and I couldn't hold her well......you get the picture, I was a mess. Not wailing or screaming, just emotional, I wanted my baby to be alright! Well, my BC wife decides to call me and tell me to "GET A HOLD OF YOUR MIND" (one day after giving birth) "What are you going to do when your kids break an arm?" "Control your emotions, it's not a big deal" WOW and I thought my ministers would "pray with or for us"? :blink:

Not ONE ounce of HUMILITY in that article. Not ONE ounce of MEEKNESS...... This is exactly why I started the thread on "believing". My friend musta read this article right before she "witnessed" to the gal. Trust in the LORD (not me) with all YOUR heart And lean NOT onto YOUR OWN understanding In ALL YOUR WAYS Aknowledge (who?) HIM and HE WILL direct your path. They forget the simple verses that clarify who directs our path.