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I think this was the case for ALL Way Leaders , ya think? Weird.

Praisin Roosters sounds good. The Sky is Fallin Roosters? Run-A-Muck Roosters? Rummaging Roosters? Blessed Birds? Cock-A-Doodle-Dancing? The Flyin High Gang? Can't Touch This? I know i am nuts...................

He doesn't live "below" the standard lifestyle AT ALL, my Belle friend. Maybe that is what Shortfuse meant. I know them very well, and love them very much, and they actually were saving to buy a house off grounds..... When Craig was yelling to not dabble in the stock market, Brian refused to sell his stocks that he had for years. Even his dad agreed that they shouldn't tell you what to do with your investments. Either way, he hasn't had a "real world" job. That lack of experience alone is enough to know certain things will be missing in his life because of it. (((((sigh)))))) :(

Holy cow, Oak, this is hilarious. At the time were you discouraged?Scared? This would have freaked me out if I was there on the WOW field, but now reading about this, can't stop laughing. Sorry you had to go through all that. They (TWI) suck.

Clay you crack me up!!! Love those songs........ Mostly I meant to say, was the little girl sad "in heaven"? I know on earth she is/can be.....but if she felt like that in heaven that would contradict what the Word says about "no more sadness". Just thinking.

Getting back to that letter Clay................... I so want to believe it. Who wouldn't? I know what theVey teaches/taught. If things are like this little girl experienced, it doesn't mean that "we could talk to the dead". This is what confuses Way beliefs. I feel as if others are in heaven right now, they can't/don't "look down" on us. To me, that would be HELL. So, if they are there, they certainly ain't thinking about us. The only problem with what the little girl went through, is now she's sad for being back on earth, and I don't think God would do that. I dunno :blink:

actually, Jesus paved the way for this, after he was raised! So, he had to be dead, just like everyone before him.......... and how do you know, Allen, "the vast majority????" You studied this, what is your source? I don't know if I believe anything about anything yet, but, I ain't taking yours or anyone elses word on it!!!

yes, I have the words to that song.......................funny, that used to be one of my favorites. Maybe tomorrow if you'all can stand it??? ..........we stake our lives upon the truth of God's pure word expending ourselves fully to reach out and make it heard ................... ........ahhh heck, I'll get it out later..................

Them be fighten words there George!

Ok Goey, one more...............since you asked......... It doesnt say NO DEBT, but, you have to listen between the lines............... WE ARE NOT LIKE THEM If you wanna keep up with the Jones' you'll never keep up with the VEY But if you put your roots in the PRESENT SPEWTH You'll have riches that never decay. If you wanna keep your heart and thinking pure An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure Don't get TANGLED UP in wordly affairs when YOU CAN BE A SPIRITUAL MILLIONARE! You are not like them, its a world saturated in sin You are not like them, so live the word with disapline. With the mind of Christ and heart to win Don't ever give up Don't ever GiVE IN You are not like them, your sanctifried living for him...... We don't get lured by the lust of the flesh its the word we believe its the word we confess!

Oh and don't forget dear Belle, that if "you cannot contain your lust, then, SOLITARY MASTURBATION, is fine" :blink:

The DEAD ARE DEAD Why would you pray to someone whos dead that logic goes over my head but people only go as far as they're lead The Dead Are Dead! Experience is no gaurentee for truth Satan will give you plenty of proof Don't buy his lie dont get caught in his web The Dead Are Dead! Ok enough, i can't take it anymore. Listening to these songs again are making me gag. My point here isn't to make fun of all the songs, on contrare....(even though they make me crack up ) My point is to show INNIES that this ministry IS NOT into Worshipping the GOD of the bible...... They are into INDOCTRINATION and WORSHIP OF the BIBLE AND SELF.... Music should be praise and worship for our God and KING. NOT telling us what to do. I am so glad I don't have to listen to this anymore.

PROVE the SINCERITY OF OUR LOVE God is the supplier of everything ve need He is the source of bounty and the blessings we recieve Giving of our abundance will cause our lives to grow God will enlighten our eyes to the truths that we should know We got to prove the sincerity of our love desire without the fire is not enough We will reep the riches, when we sow the seed prove the sincerity of our luv .....God has given ministries so that we can grow if we love the word THEY TEACH or thankfulness will show.......... OMG

CONFRONTATION Do not be afraid, of confrontaion Have the guts, to keep the household PURE Be ready to respond, in any situation salted to uphold, the prevailing verd. Its up to me and you to heed the prestent truth eliminating fear of confrontation............... Its wrong to avoid these situations, they can get resolved by taking them on, we do the verd, by taking care of eachother, cuz nothing takes care of itself! yikes :blink:

How about the Mike Martin song "CON-FRON-TA-TION"> "There is no true deliverence without CONFRONTATION" ohhhhh, I can feel the love as I type this........................

Listening to some GREAT praise and worship music lately, and SafariVista's reminising (sp) over some old songs, I began to reflect.... Sorry, but the songs Way Prod came up with in the ninety's to represent the "current" topic/teachings, were abusolutely ridiculous! Here is one of my all time awful favorites: The Dead Are Dead Can you hear it now? Trudy, Claudette, Deb and others singing this? "The dead are dead" Lets hear some more. I will be back tomorrow with the lyrics...........

The mentality??? Hummmm.................... The mentality is to "move on, forget the past, and prevail with the Word!" They are ALL re-reading ALL of Dr.Vico's works, umm, I mean plagerized works........... This is from the mouths of current corps staff. As for the class, they have a new one, but I never cared enough to ask......... They are still waiting for more changes, like bringing back "the love" aspect. Many "in" want to stick it out and make a difference. (cough cough) I don't deny they all (most) have a heart for God, they just don't know what they are really worshipping. They think they owe allegiance to the "ministry" for rescuing them from a life of destruction, when they should owe God alone that allegiance! Same stuff, different day. You ain't missin anything.

So Clay, Where does God's justice fit into all of this? His righteousness, which I was lovingly given, payed for man's transgression. So does this mean, to you, that since all is paid, ALL IS PAID? just wondering

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uhhh, is that what you wanted? An explanation from me on God's justice? I don't think I have that much time, but, that is not what you asked from me and others in your first posts. Maybe it should of been "So, bliss, where in THE WORD can you show me where some of this legal stuff is, so I can process it................or Genesis___ says ____, Prov_____ says _____, . Then, it leaves the posters something to respond to, gives good doctrinal discussion. Raf, Mark, Wordwolf, the Evan, might join in, they are some of the doctrinal wordsmiths around here. I also "HEARD WHAT YOU THOUGHT". Who said they didn't? I just don't agree, and you don't with me. I didn't see you give explanations "doctrinally". If I was a "typical" Christian, then I would've called you a heretic for your beliefs/comments, but I didn't. I do know where you are coming from, hence, my Romans 1:16 verse, "FAITH". Some things cannot logically be explained, and I am ok with that.

In my opinion dearest Belle, and you know I love ya, I think your assessment is wrong. It is because of I don't have TWIT brain anymore that I posted as I did. I can't speak for anyone else. But, I answered his question. Hey, I could've just answered "I DO!" to answer the thread title. But I gave him an honest answer from my heart. He seemed to be the one that was peeved. Maybe Sprawled Out if you would've answered the earlier posts with what you said in the later ......that" you considered what was said, and came to other conclusions."............. But instead, you came out swinging and stomping on my beliefs. So that did not give me the impression you cared what we said, you just wanted to argue. I am sure you would've been greeted with better responses had we known you really wanted to know. IMO :)

And there we agree. :)

Dearest Sprawled Out, I answered the question in my first post of why "I think" we need Jesus. If you don't like my answer, sorry, there is nothing I can do about that. Seems you don't want to learn or know what others think, you just want to debate back and forth. To me, I don't engage in that kind of useless banter. I know what I believe, and that is the end of it. Just like you have a right to believe what you want. So I stated my opinion, and that is all I have to say. Why does that bother you so? I believe God, his word and His Son, period. Just because you don't, doesn't make me right and you wrong. I have considered "other" things, questions, etc.......... They left me feeling empty and lost. I love my life, and my beliefs. They bring me peace, joy, comfort and hope. I don't believe that God would ''trick'' anyone and I am sorry you are so bitter. I enjoy, "digging'' , research, and exchanging thoughts as CM and Sirguess do here. I may not always agree, but it is food for thought. For some reason, it seems you are not interested in scripture at all, you just want to wipe your butt with it. Still love you and will pray for you. bliss

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ; for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith; as it is written , THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH." Romans 1:16-17 That is my story, and "I" am sticking to it. peace

I can see now, why would I want to be blind again? :blink: edited because..............