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My point, again, is not to negate the power and purpose of the bible. I love the bible. I love God. What is at stake for me? My relationship with Him. Of course God cares about me. Of course the bible can/does help me. If God is making His word available to me, then, yes, He expects me to ''try'' to know it. The point I was trying to get at is that God makes a way for himself to be revealed. It isn't ONLY through His word. You said.......... "but you can't know God without the bible " I only believe that is partly true. *hence my last post. While in TWI I knew a lot of the bible and THOUGHT I knew GOD. But it wasn't until I let go of my ''head knowledge bible worship and my elite pharaseeism (sp?)" and allowed the Holy Spirit to be my teacher................ did I really get to know HIM. The Pharisee's knew the law too. Memorized it even more than many of us have. Yet, we know what Jesus said about them. It's not about what or how much you know. It's what you do with what you know. If I can't even do the basics of what God commands...................love my neighbor, than what is the point of ''learning more of His word''? I study His word everyday. But, I don't like the hyposcrisy in me. Faithful in least. That is the goal. sorry for the derail............................

Not to negate the bible AT ALL........................BUT...................... Adam and Eve never had a bible Moses never had a bible Joseph never had a bible why, Jesus himself didn't have ''a bible''.... and they knew GOD very well. Must be something more to getting to know God than just reading about HIM. I remember worshipping the bible while in TWI. I also ''believed'' God for everything. All it did was make me view God as the preverbial Genie in a bottle. Funny, I actually know HIM better now that I stopped commanding things from HIM and just started worshipping HIM. What I ''believe'' now, is that He will give me/do for me, the things HE wants for me. Sometimes it is exactly what I wanted (prayed for), and sometimes it is what He thinks is best. (not what I prayed for).

Dave you will be missed. Happy to see that he did something he probably always wanted to do near the end of his life. I emailed a lot of ''innies'' from HQ the news. They had no idea. It's a shame that someone who dedicated most of his life to an organization, doesn't get recognition from them. Not that Dave would've minded. But, its the respect point, ya know? Thanks for the song! That was one of my fav's from him.

Thanks Ephesians....for loving me. I consider myself a disciple of Jesus Christ. I try to live like He would want me to live with discipline....most of the time. I try to do what is right, most of the time..... I try to speak grace unto the hearers.............. I try to love my neighbor as myself........ sometimes.......(when they aren't parking on my lawn) I try to not covet ( i do need a new car)................ I don't steal.........(anymore).................. I try not to envy......................(wow they got the car I want!) I try not to boast.................(enough about you, what about ME) I try to be slow to anger (you are not listening to me...) try try try..........................try......................... I try to do all these things, but gosh darnit, but the wrong thing always creep back in my face some way or another................ I confess, repent of my sins, surrender with my brokeness, time and time again. I guess I am not ''disciplined'' enough. That sinful bug, it's a doozy. Good thing God is merciful, and forgiving. He forgets my stinkiness and loves me warts and all. Now, why do I come here? Because GS helped me get out of that pit called the Way. Without it, I would still be singing ''the dead are dead'', dancing in a suit, judging everyone and thinking that they are all losers, and still having NO relationship with my Lord. Do people here hold some bitterness and anger in their hearts..??? YUP you betcha So? It's not for me to judge. I got my own junk to deal with. But, this is where , for some, a lifetime of hell is finally understood. This is where, they can START to find healing. Would it be more beneficial for some to let go of anger and bitterness and not come here anymore? Maybe. But, healing takes many forms, and takes different phases for everyone. Would you like healing? Sounds like you got a case of the Pharisee bug. I am not judging YOU , just your words. Feel free to continue to love us all and post your opinions. Just try to keep your fingers to yourself. (((mwah))))

Yes, he is. Just saw him last week too..............he just got engaged!

Yup, she lives in San Diego. Married. His parents live in Florida. Hers still live in NC. Last I knew she's still in. We get Christmas cards.

Yep, I concur. She left TWI which was good but then left her good hubby. Still in Cincinatti Wanted to party all night instead. ya, love the avatar....................way cool.............no pun............

LOL that is very funny EX. Good idea, I think I will show mine also. He knows they suck though. Every time we would sit in the auditorium we would roll our eyes...........only once in a while when Mike would rock out were we ''feeling it''. Then again, now that I realize Way Prod is just another indoctrination tool I wouldn't care how good the music was. Everything is ''do this ,do that, be a , don't do, he is, you are .......(oh alotta you are)........etcetera .....''. People would just die if they sang a song with heart and praises to the King... I understand your point Full Circle...........but most of the churches I have been in don't do what the way prod did! NOT even close! If they are going to do dance moves and rock out, they do it with the right clothes on, dark lighting, real musicians (drummer), 2007 dancing, and they do it ''For the Lord'' and not themselves! Very far cry from TWI version of Church...........maybe and ol conservative stuffy one from the 50's.... What is weird is I used to do a lot of Way Prod, and with a few of the ''ladies'' in that video............ we used to analyze other singers on T V, and if they sang with their eyes closed, we would say either they were "possesed "or ''so into themselves, (selfish)". So therefore, while singing, you would NEVER CLOSE YOUR EYES, EVER. For most of us singers, that is a hard habit to break. That is one of the reasons they look so robotic, and without emotion. EMOTION IS NOT ALLOWED in The Way.

I am leaving out of town, so I don't have time to give you verses.................. but just food for thought.... I have been wondering how the devil could've been in God's presence to accuse/ talk over JOB, if he had already been ''kicked out'' of heaven, before Adam and Eve.???? I think this question fits into this Gap discussion. I'll get back to ya. :)

Afraid???? NO. I don't think anyone here is afraid. Its not about that at all. They(TWI) can perfume the hog, bathe the hog, dress up the hog........................ its still a STINKY PIG ! (A house on sinking sand.......foundational issues galore...............there is nothing there to change ! They should just die and start over with only good folks willing to ''re- think, re-do, re-learn, re- research...) When hell freezes over????????? oink oink , Pass the tomatoes.....................

I am sure it was ''supposed'' to be the moonwalk!

((((((((((congrats)))))))))))) just remember, there are NO mistakes in a wedding...........................just character! may your days be filled with ''wedded'' bliss..............and may God do the filling~ cool day awesome

Looks to me like that dude and blond are the youngest Way Prod I've seen in a LONG time. I really do think its the suits.......................it wouldn't have been so corny if they were in jeans and t's..... now about those lyrics..................

sorry, if this has been brought up before, but I just checked out the way dot org and saw this number! (the Renewed Mind is the key) i was rolling........... I am so surprised the guy can have long hair! His dance moves are S W E E E E E E T! Rosies getting soft....... In another number........they are singing in French! Trudy, please do the language a favor, don't ruin it with screetching Way Speak!!!!!!!!!! And to think I am missing all of this. It's just .....just............ wonderful http://www.theway.org/Current/Mar07/Mar07Hi4.htm

Welcome to the cafe Midge! Way to start out with a bang! You are in good company here.

Mine is just ...............................me half crying, half hiding, not sure about revealing too much after leaving.........(what is she crying about anyway???? TWI maybe? loss, broken hearted, angry???) and a big Lord of the Rings fan.........I used to have Awren and Strider kissing, since that represents my big heart for love...... (hence ''bliss'') but, I kinda liked her mystery in this pic.. and we women are full of it! (mystery that is ) so I'll keep it.

Hi yes, please do! Hubby is an old friend and can't get the right phone #. He did try a number in Wisconsin and it was disconnected. PM me thanks! bliss

Most of the professionals I know had to take a class on "how to do it'' and it costs $500 bucks! Are you are good with a flat iron? It has to be a 450 degree one, and each strand needs to be done at least 10x. The link is for a ''day only'' wash in/ out one btw. (the mutari queretian is temporary). Ask you hairdresser if they have heard of it. I know the bottle my girl gets is $250. (professional price)

I wouldn't call what I had, ''texture'', but you know Chas ........ Grass is always greener. Sudo, you have to have hair and lots of it for the Brazilians to even work on you! More the better. LOL

So, I have long ''bumpy'' hair. Not curly, not straight. Just in the middle of blah. very thick and coarse. Always a pain in my arse to do. Last week, I got the ''Brazilian Keratin Treatment''. WWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is all I can say. My hair looks like a Pantene commercial, no kidding. sleek and shiny. I washed it, slept with it wet, yes wet, and in the morning.............. Straight as a board and smooth like I blowed it and flat ironed it. I have found heaven on earth. I just Get up and Go now. I feel , like a , like a .......................................... a MAN! (def don't look like one :)) If you have curly wavy, or just plain ol unhealthy looking hair, I highly recommend this. Set you back $300-$400 bucks though. :blink:

You felt an........experience? WOW do tell........... I believe the ''tribulations'' already occured to the First Century Jews in 70AD. (Read Mathew 24) So, when Jesus comes back.................it will be judgement time. My opinion is this............ God will come, when HE sees fit, and nothing WE do prevents or pushes it into being. peace

I was just thinking the same thing Nate........ I just got the "news'' of the South Florida Branch Coordinators, Rich and Vera O'Nei! that are moving to HQ after 12 years of "Faithful service'' in that area! whoooo hooooo, they must be happy. You know, that area used to be swinging. Now, its down to 2 fellowships. (one in which they ran, and now, has no coordinator). Guess everyone bought homes. Have fun in OHIO guys!

Case in point: EVERY INNIE I have ever told concerning our ''being out'' of the Way, the very first question they ask me is......... "What do they teach, or what do you do about Jesus Christ is NOT GOD???????????????" No matter how bad it is............................ if people are not willing to at least ''consider'' that Jesus Christ is more "God" than was taught..or just don't care anymore................ Many will stay, even when they know it's sucks. This is the glue that hold the ministry together and its people being bound to it. Don't think God will hold accountable those who are ''believing'' what they think is ''the word". However, it they are totally missing the relationship with the Lord, based on that belief, well, they are accountable to themselves for yearning that might be in their soul.

Not to send this to the doctrinal section, so I will mention again how "MESSED UP" the WAY's definitions of everything is like WG said.....She also mentions this renewed mind trap... The word ''renewed '' is in the passive voice. Which means it's done TO us. It also is in the imparative mood...........which means, this is a command......... There is one more, but I can't find my notes, but its being done ''continually''. What are the conditions? Surrender. Absolute submission to the ONE who is LOVE. The ONE who is ALL POWERFUL (and able to love the unlovable). The ONE who is able to ''turn the other cheek''. The ONE who is able to ''forgive others'' The ONE who is able to ''Protect'' "persevere" and is "patient''. I think we struggle with this topic and our imperfections because we focus on OUR ability to do it. Phill 4:13 (another mis translation thanks to the Way) says "I can do all things THROUGH CHRIST WHO STREGTHENS ME"! It is through HIM that we can love with the pure agape love. It is through HIM that we can ''do the works" that show the signs of a Christian life. Its not about our works. Its not about our ability to get it done. It is about allowing HIM to do works through and in us. Like T-bone mentioned, its about ''relationship''. If we all allow this surrendering relationship to Christ to take hold of us, then, I'll make a bet we will be ''agape ing'' all over the place~~~~!!!

MSTAR~~~~ now that was a WHOT!