outofdafog

http://www.eonline.com/videos/index.jsp?franchise=the_soup here is the one with the moon walk - video entitled Divine Dancing

JAL schmal. Gittin tired of this. Those folks over there will get over it all when they want to. And not a day sooner. Looks like JAL and his ministry are causing division and anger amongst people whom he hasn't see in ages! Welcome to, the twilight zone. My point exactly Johnny................oh and by the way...I know you are a guy......so I don't think my mental health is in question...........

Fog As I said I am done with this debate I am however concerned for your health You need not be concerned Whitedove, I usually respond to other posters in the sense that I do not know who they are, but since you insist, you are the guy that sent me the 2006 dove and failed to respond to my heartfelt thank you, you are done and yet you continue to post I don't mean this as any insult but here is what you said, three times you called me a she. Technically it would be hard for anyone to know that you are a he or she......I was just trying to protect your identity in my responses then you said you knew I was not. I hope you are ok really I am worried for you. Thank you for your concern, but with friends like you I need no enemies

The problems with CES run far deeper and are more widespread than John Lynn. John's letter is a distraction from the core problems, a distraction from how widespread the problems are. This is not something I said, I think it was Abbie..............

I started to read this thread...and got more and more bogged down with it so didn't finish it. So I may be wrong in "my opinion" here. Just wondered if anyone just walks individually with God anymore. I like to believe I do, that is why I don't believe this warmed over vomit from CES....there is no intercessor but Jesus Christ, not VPW or John Lynn ..or if it has to be with CFS or another offshoot. This person said this, this person said that, etc., etc. What ever happened to "me and God"? I've always valued my "one-on-one" with God, not what an organization told me. Continue to value that, your one on one, not what an organization tells you Is that now arcaic (sp) ? John's letter seems so wrapped up in "this person and that person and this situation and that situation...." where's the simplicity of the walk with God.....isn't that a primary....or am I just plain stupid? He wants to blame it all on somebody or something else

Fog call it what you want but I am done debating this issue with you. So why do you keep posting? Abbie is right it is distracting to the point of the thread , So you have found an ally in Abbie.....cool we just disagree if it is worth the fight or not over credibility. It's not about credibility, it is about truth..... I think it is for the big picture. I do too! Either way she has not taken sides her post was to me as much as you , I hardly think she sees me a victim or you the aggressor, and she is right you can read the letter either the words are there or not. In this case they are not. Finally I am not a she...just for the record ...... I know that....you were the gentleman that sent me the 2006 dove ornament which I thanked you for and you did not respond.....now you are responding??

If it isn't in the letter, then there's a good chance its off topic and detracting from the bigger picture. What is detracting from the bigger picture Sushi? I debate that the letter says thus, whitedove debates that the letter says thus....why am I wrong and she right? Why am I being addressed as the one who is fighting and she is the victim?

Sushi, how do you debate without sounding like you are arguing?? I am debating whitedove's point. She has insinuated that I am a liar. Do I just let that go by......What is the difference between debating and arguing. Synonyms for debate: From Microsoft Works thesaurus: debate: discuss argue dispute deliberate contest question I think I have done all of these.............

Certainly, he could be one of the problems, or a symptom as I said in my previous post. Discuss what the letter says, quote it if you need to prove the statement was made. It is the arguing back and forth, he did so, he did not, he did too that gets tiresome and detracting. Hell, we could spend hours defining the word "truth" but I'm not sure it would really benefit anyone. Hey I stated my opinion, whitedove called me a liar, water it down if you want...........Debating is not necessarily arguing back and forth...I have heard you do it in a few posts of your own Abigail, as well as pretty much every one here.....if you don't want to be distracted or tired out, skip over my posts............block me, ignore me, just don't water down the truth...........

The problems with CES run far deeper and are more widespread than John Lynn. John's letter is a distraction from the core problems, a distraction from how widespread the problems are. John was the original founder if I am correct. How did he let it get away from him like this. How is this a distraction??

Truth is foundational to help anyone as long as we allow lies to go unchecked there is no credibility here. What lies Whitedove, please indulge us with the lies we have told about poor John Lynn......

Correct me if I am wrong.......but this is the thread about the letter from John Lynn... it is possible that one of the problems with CES is about John Lynn......... just as the problems with TWI were Doc Vic and LCM and their doctrine...........

Gee Fog I'm glad you know everything about John's marriage to make these decisions why did you not share it with us sooner? Don't know alot about John's marriage, but I know alot about cult mentality... ....... as in before someone else told you about it? Two sides to every story I heard one. I'll wait for the other of course I like truth not one sided preconceived opinions. Yes I am sure there is a good explanation about why these horrible things were prophecied to this woman...and John Lynn took the side of the prophetess instead of his wife........just waiting to hear it from him Again I think you missed a part of my words I think I must have Quote:It is pretty common that people want to put forth their limited time and energy into something that they feel will be of benefit, most don't look for things that they feel will be a waste of their time. Also most won't go where they feel that all they will get is flack and hang out, I doubt you would either? which as you know I'm sure was my point. Excluding the percent of non Christian who used to be and no longer wish to be, and the percent that no longer want anything to do with any offshoots. That does not leave John much to work with left I'd say. Poor John It's a pretty easy concept fog people spend time an effort where they think it does the most benefit, there is very little here for him. If you don't get it sorry.... .....you mean there is very little to work with here at Greasespt because we no longer hold truth to the MOG mentality....we are free thinking individuals that think before we fall starry eyed to the next snake oil salesman package that comes along...if you don't get it sorry........

Hey if you are going to put your opinion out here, you can expect to be challenged........it's called life.........

never made any excuses for John I spoke only to the dishonest remarks concerning him how do you know the that the remarks about him are dishonest? ,that has nothing to do with an excuse it's called a fact. He is not dependent on CES for a job or income as others have implied and he has worked a day in his life as others have correctly stated And I am supposed to be impressed, I am 50 and have worked since I was 15....so what is your point? You need to get your facts straight before you challenge me. Perhaps you need to get your spiritual eyes and ears focused before you challenge me.....And I am suppsed to be scared...sorry been there, done that, bought the T-shirt........... That is how you proved the point it is untrue and it is verifiable that it it is, and it is not the only thing either. Untruth makes posters uncreditable that's common sense fog, if you are a liar then people wont listen to you because you lie also conmon sense. Darling....... common sense tells me that I am not going to listen to some lunatic person prophecy that I have spiders coming out of my nose in their dreams and that if my husband believed that over me he would be history......common sense..........if that makes me a liar so be it........