herbiejuan

thak you xc I know... I think and realise and *know*... it is an ongoing *problem*

now on a further thought... it is my sincere belief that any man or woman that must resort to violence with his *loved ones* to solve a problem (outside of direct danger to oneself or others) is a coward be they male or female

Andrea was obviously emotionally screwed up, it was probably something her husband. parents an friends noticed but dismissed since she was in *therapy* and supposedly getting help for it... I have spent quite a bit of time and money dealing with *therapists* who purported to help but in hindsite didn't know dang about what was going on and only aided in the insanity. I have also dealt with church leaders (read tc's) who were clueless too.

My prayers are with whose families that have lost loved ones, I wish I was finished iwth my degree because I'd be over there in a heartbeat to help. For now I pray and hope for the best for them, knowing they need far more than my simple prayers can offer

Pawpa and mawma grandma grandpaw n for my grandaughter... that old guy that acts like he's still 20...

As always I considered what I was getting and how it applied to me and mine obviously I overpaid

I was involved during those years Sky and I got to tell you, as a non corp tc I was a bit befuddled by the whole full time corp, dropped corp and then their reinstatement. Corp that just the week before were busy setting up for meetings suddenly vanished and were dropped from the corp for some sort of spiritual crime or blunder. Then a few months later they'd reappear somewhere else as an alum. And boy just how wonderful reverend martindale was to even want to waste his time on such ....ups --> ... I really wondered at that time just what their transgression was but the local leadership wouldn't say so I thought I just wasn't spiritual enough to understand what was going on Except I did Loys right hand man LP was our RC LC and BC during that time. I had no problem with the man myself but then I was an hour and a half away so we weren't exactly an area of need or concern for them. But I did get to know alot of the corp and higher up state folks and very often heard both sides of the story or enough to know twi was turning from a benign cultic org into a vicious personality cult. This concerned me alot and when they took the cowards way of dealing with a problem between my family and them I counted them as an enemy to be dealt with appropriately. Incidentelly, I was one or those poor fools that left during pop only to return several years later after being repeatedly assured that things (then) were MUCH better... What I find comical is that those folks that assured me of that were amoung the first to be marked and avoided.

I hear those stiff bristles work wonders on hemeroids :D-->

I've been looking at the south (SF) bay area alot lately and it doesn't look all that good to me :(--> From what I can tell, there are many faults running through the area and I imagine any major quake there would significantly alter the landscape. Depending on what shifts where I can see the low lying areas (along 101) breaking up and the peninsula turning into an island of sorts, surrounded by ocean on one side and a tidal estuary on the other. I imagine alot of the coastline will be changed due to the fact that it is quite unstable in and of itself. This would of course lead to problems elsewhere. I think it would behove most of us to start being more aware of our environment and to think through the how whats whys and wherefores. I've heard to expect a major quake that within the next 20 yrs, I'm guessing it will be sooner.

Hey Chuckie Hope your day was special and sweet Hope you get everything good and lots of it this next year Mike

I''l stew, ponder and mull things over, and over and over again, often repeating the same scenario over n over again, looking at it from a gazillion angles, this is not always a self caring mindset, so I practice letting go or at times I practice solitary rage where I rant and rave for a few few minutes about whats bothering me, othertimes I will get an iron bar and see just how high the tire swing will go or lift weights. Back in a former life I'd put a piece of wood on the lathe n focus my mind, feelings and energy on the emerging bowl. It was this ongoing flow of creative juices that purged any stress or worry. I'm eyeing a couple of maple burl bowl blanks I've got laying around so I may be picking that up shortly, then I am sure alot of the angst over past events will find a place of expression and release. But if not I'll still make a couple of bucks selling them at shows :D-->

Excie I walked in on an act between a priest and an altarboy once and was privy to some inside information about several priests. The efforts made by the church to keep it (and other things) quiet would today be cause to shut the school and church down and perhaps pay millions of dollars in damages to their victims Yet to this day not one student has come forward because, I think, for the most part, it would upset their applecart, much like what is going on in twi. I walked away from it as it was obvious no one cared enough, that what happened can be easily pushed under the rug or some such thing as that. What bugs me about the most is the last time I attended mass as the place, there were all these happy smiley people wandering around congratulating themselves on their 150th anniversary, I though to myself, this celebration was paid for by the students who suffered under their sick mentality and if they only knew what lay beneath the surface, they would not be celebrating but covering themselves in sackcloth and ashes...

Happy New Year to youse too :D-->

My first time derailing a thread and I screwed it up Thanks for reading my rant I feel better now :)-->

I guess to put my last post into perspective and to be fair to those folks I ought to say that I attended their church for almost 4 yrs and have known most of them for 20 yrs. This particular church's members and I have enjoyed a tolerant peace betwixt us since I spoke against their pet project several years ago. What I find amazing tho and what finally made me leave was a sunday school class I attended a few months back. The sunday school teacher, a high school teacher in real life was visibly upset. He spoke for a little bit on how the community at large had this perception of them as being haughty. He said they weren't being haughty but were simply trying to distance themselves from sin. I found this amusing He then spoke at length about a crisis they were facing and everybody had to pull together to make things turn out ok. After awhile the HS Principal, spoke up and said "What crisis?" Mr Teacher replied: "oh no, I didn't mean a crisis, not a crisis, we just need to work together to solve this problem" (not exact quotes) When drug dealers are standing out in front of city hall and nothing is done, when teenage pregnancy and dropout rates are the highest in the state, when the meth and crack is so bad that their daughters are coming home well used, when the town is facing insolvancy because of their choices... Somehow I sense a disparity between their world and reality

Garthman...you need to retake piffle, it'll answer ALL your questions ;)--> but in all seriousness, our local conservative baptist church is adamantly opposed to homos yet you never hear mention of the sex affairs theri members are having amoungst themselves, not do you hear much said about the *pillars of the community* lying to the citizens in order to get their favored project approved NOR do you hear much from them about slanderous talk when one solitary voice said, hey wait a minute these guys are lying through their teeth about this nope not one word funny isn't it

A double post... sigh life is so unfair but in an earthquake, even if it fell on me it wouldn't hurt much now as far as why the big earthquake happened having anything to do with gas or oil production I cannot say but there is a limited amount of the stuff and as it gets drawn down even more it will get more expensive. This has something to do with the law of supply and demand a key feature of capitalism.

Those thins walls are a bit of a turnoff but I may have access to a couple of thousand acres of land in the near future with spectacular views of a very pretty bay scattered about hence the need for something portable ;)-->

Those thin walls are kinda well ummm thin... I may have access to several thousand acres of land in a few years with several million dollar views of a particular bay scattered about the place, hence the need for mobility ;)-->

Moi??

Sister Mary Wackhis Peepee wants to see us huh? I told you we ought not be ******* around like that but you wouldn't listen...now we're .... BIG TIME!

Nice corner office ;)-->

Guess I'll hold off on that yurt for awhile

i've been edited oh my gawd what a .... up situation ;)-->

OK lets just ******* say it they're all over the ******* place and we're supposed to ******* well play nice in the sandbox of life