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Who said I did?? You perhaps, but how would you know that?? Jesus and docvic are NOT compatible. The sayings of one, are the antithesis of the other. But -- I'm guessing you'll disagree with that, eh?? ;)

John --I think you missed my point, from my earlier post. (No complaints on my end). I guess that when I mentioned that at (one point in time), they (twi) could mobilize the entire ORG in prayer for a ficticious *National Emergency*, they could've done the same for docvic --- but they didn't. That's all. No more, no less. :)

That's what I read.

Kit --thank you for that bit of info. :) To me -- those roads (freeways) are meant for speed! (I've been *caught* only once.)

Notta -- No. John Juedes' site gave me the first real glimpse of the *truth*, behind the *mystique*.

John -- Ok -- I can see how you might think that. And I ain't a'gonna argue. BUT ---- the *thrust* of this thread is STILL what Rascal asked in the first place. Why didn't twi get together prayer for docvic, when he needed it *the most*??? What were their motives for NOT doing so?? Did they (or did they NOT) believe in prayer?? Were they embarassed because of what he had, and what he had taught? Would they have changed tactics, if he had (merely) pneumonia??? In my first post on this thread -- I focused on what Rascal said about the TOTAL LACK OF INVOLVING OTHERS IN PRAYER FOR THE GUY. Nother words (short and simple) -- they were looking at a paycheck and a lifestyle. They had no love for the man, other than what he provided for them as a monetary legacy. They didn't give a ratzz-azz about anything except themselves. THAT'S WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT!!!! Bozos on a bus, leading a group to oblivion, with No concern for others. *Keeping the Legacy* intact, meant money for them. Asking for prayer for a man who is dying because of a conditiion he taught against, would contradict everything else that they were taught, by that man. So what it boils down to (imo), is NOT whether it was spirit or not. What it DOES boil down to is -- How well do they take care of their own?? They took better *care* of him, than they did Dottsie. Nuff said. :( They are a Law unto themselves, and have fallen from Grace. Selah.

Ok -- John (NOT being argumentative here). I DO remember docvic saying that cancer (life unto itself), was the prescence of spirit. Now -- I can't document that without going through reams of tape, or pages of print, (and I don't have either the time or willingness to do so). Maybe you remember differently, and if that's the case, it's cool. My impression (in my impression only), was that docvic was saying that you got this by possession. He implied (strongly, I might add), that if you had it, you were possessed. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. (Advanced Class comes to mind). So -- From what I recall -- he taught it was due to direct possession, and not merely a *cause and effect* thing like you are making it out to be. So (in other words) -- He had it, and had it to the point that he died from it. Personally -- I don't think it was spirit. It was a lifestyle that caught up with him. Regardless of all that (whatever you or I might think), twi did him wrong by NOT asking for prayer (whether it would have worked or not), because of what he taught, and they were *bound* to in allegience to a *leader*, who signed his own death warrant, (somewhat) due to his teachings. They are a Law unto themselves, and have fallen from Grace. Selah

Good point Rascal. And kinda , (but maybe not) --- I remember once back in 1979, (or 1978 -- somewhere in there), that someone at Hdqtrs picked up the phone, called their *chain of command*, who in turn called THEIR chain of command, and before you knew it -- all us *twiggies* (all over the USA), were being asked to pray. I know it was one of those two years -- cause I got the call from my branch leader, at 8 AM in the morning -- as I was clocking in at work, as a clerk at a local camping store. One of them there things I remember clearly. Something about National Security -- I forget what THAT *present crisis* was by now, but that was the jist of it, and they (effectively) got hold of all folks within the Org. From what I heard about that instance (it might have been on a SNS tape), they had made contact with ALL believers in a very short amount of time. Not only had the *chain of command* worked, but they were bragging about it. If they could do it once, they could do it again -- yet they chose NOT to. (At least in the case of docvic and his *condition*). Meebe they were embarassed because of what he was suffering from. (How do they ask for you to pray for the MOG, dying from debbil spurit possession??) Perhaps that thing they did back in the late 1970's was a *dry run* to see if it was feasible. Who the hey knows why they do (or don't do) things??? You get explanations -- only if they choose to divulge them. They are a law unto themselves. And as followers of their Law -- they have fallen from Grace. They've proved it time and again. Selah.

Hey there CK. Not sure if the Victors ever put out a tape or not. I've heard them many a time on old SNS tapes, but don't recall a tape of them in the *bookstore days*. WhiteDove might know for sure. :)

NO!!! NO!!! A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!! It's a debbil spurit filled world, that denigrates the TRUE meaning of words. G-string has been *corrupted* to mean something totally different *from the original*. I've got 25 of them: 2 on banjo, 2 on mandolin, 1 on guitar, 19 on piano, and 1 on fiddle. OH!! The travesty!! When I break one -- why is it *undies* that come to a person's mind??. Eh?? We're living in the end times. I'm convinced!!

Yes. If you had clicked the Chalk Art link, you'd of seen that. :)

Waysider -- that's why I hate it when I break a *G* string, on any instrument!

I've ridden a horse once only. Back in 1971. While living in Indiana (during my college years), I got a summer job here in Minney-soda at Camp Thunderbird. It was a summer camp for the kids of rich (mostly) Jewish folks, and one of the activities for the campers was horseback riding. The camp was in Bemidji Mn., near the headwaters of the Mississippi. The horses were stabled for the winter at a farm down the road from the camp (about 5 miles or so), until the *season* started. Then they needed to be brought from the farm to the camp. Any of the camp counselors who wanted to ride a horse back to camp, were trucked over to the farm, and we saddled up for ride back to T-bird. It was a fun time. Lazy riding on country roads, heading from point A to point B. The horse I was on had a foal that kept close to mama. The ride was peaceful (for me) until we got back to the camp. Somehow the foal got ahead of, and separated from mama. Mama panics and decides to look for her foal -- at breakneck speed!! She goes into a frenzied gallop that I didn't know how to react to! (Shucks -- I'd never ridden a horse before -- How do you stop this thing?) I'm hanging on for dear life as the scenery flashes by. By now we were back in camp, and we're there in the trees with low hanging branches, dirt path, the whole bit. Low hanging branches appeared head high to me so fast and quickly --- I barely had time to duck, to avoid being wiped out by one of them. I kept saying WHOA!!!! but that didn't work at all. Mama galloped until she found junior, and then FINALLY slowed down. When she did, she stopped, and believe you me -- I got down right then and there! That was the only time I've ridden a horse. Back in 1971. :) On a side note -- all the other folks who *herded* the horses that night, were walking funny the next day. Guess the ride got to their legs. I'm naturally bow legged, so that didn't affect me at all. But mama looking for junior did. ;)

:) :) :) :eusa_clap: HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!

It's biblical. ;) Mat. 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Subaru. :) I have a 2001 Legacy (not Outback) sedan (small car), that is awesome in winter. It sit's lower to the ground than Hap's does, so REALLY deep snow is hard to get through. When we get a foot or so of snow, I use the Dodge truck (4x4). But for gas mileage, handling, over-all comfort -- the Subaru is by far the better of my two vehicles. Do you need the extra interior room the Jeep offers?? If not, perhaps a smaller all wheel drive car is the way to go. And ditto to what Hap said about the Jeep tranny's. Co-worker of mine has a Jeep Cherokee (not sure how many miles are on it), but it's an older one (late 90's) which she's had for two years --- and the tranny is starting to go on her. Actually --- there's a lot of smaller cars that are all wheel drive (these days). So if you're looking for an *all weather* vehicle -- you've got quite a few choices. But Subaru builds nothing BUT, so they rule (imo) when it comes to that feature. And Subarus just don't *break*. They really are VERY good. Good luck in whatever you choose! :)

Tonto --- What a hoot!!! (Ya think twi will *fork it over*??) :P

Hi there Ala. Yes I did. :) Hey --while I've got you here (or rather maybe you've got me) --- was this you hanging out at a banjo forum I frequent??? :biglaugh: (edited to add thanks for posting them!!)

Hmmmmm. Not sure I got it correctly for you. :unsure:

Well --- what the hey. I got *snookered*. :( Should have checked SNOPES first! The link to (and about) The Chalk Art is real, but the truck one is false. Mea Culpa.

Ok, ok, ok OK!!!! I'll admit it. I'm a fan of Driftwood too.

Was welcoming a long-time poster (on another board), back from a long absence from posting. (Due to his work -- I guess). Regardless -- he's a trucker, and looking for a suitable *truck pic*, to post in the welcome back thread -- I ran across these. Works of art, rolling on wheels. :) (3-D art on the sides of the trailer), kinda like that sidewalk *chalk art* you can find HERE! The first 3 are cool --- But these next two are better; :eusa_clap: And these two ROCK!! Eye candy on the highway. ;)

Here's hoping he doesn't work in *CUSTOMER RELATIONS*!! :blink: