dmiller

There you have it Oak. :)--> This is from the friendly folks at www.biblicalunitarian.com I am of the opinion that if Jesus Christ pre-existed His birth, He could not be called "man" as Adam was, and as we are. Yours was a good question. Maybe this did not answer it totally, but I hope it helps.

Cynic -- good verses, but that was all in a vision -- right?? Mount of Transfiguation -- a vision -- were Moses and Elijah really there when it happened?

In a word -- No. If He was "fashioned" like Adam was, He would have had God as His Father, and still been human, tempted in all ways like we are, and He would have had the choice to either obey or disobey. The fact that He was a "perfect, sinless man" is a testament to His choice of following "It is written", instead of "It is what I want".

I can't help out on that one Vickles -- I got "in" in '75.

So the term "For Pete's Sake" came from Little Rock, Arkansake?? :P-->

Maybe they are promoting their new chicken sandwich!

Sounds typical of some of the "scheduled AOL chat sessions" I have been in. :(-->

What if He got there after the quota was filled up, and wasn't allowed in?? --> WWJKO* -- Who Would Jesus Kick Out? :D-->

"Profanity in the pews" What an excellent name for a fiddle tune!!! :D--> :D--> :D-->

If Ringo joins him at all for that tour, would they be THE FAB TWO?? --> -->

Those rowdy Brit rock-and-rollers! :D--> :D-->

Wonder if he is on the shift that clocks in at 2 am??

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I remember High Country Caravan. And I think how egotisical it was for vee pee to name the barbershop quartet after himself. --> Steve! -- What is WRT? -->

Karmic -- the "Dolly Llama" appeared here at the city zoo, and from what I read in the local paper, she was quite a hit with the local alpaca crowd. :D-->

Philosopher?? -- Joe Soucheray -- the "mayor" of "GARAGE LOGIC" Teacher?? -- John Shoenheit Preacher?? -- the jury is still out on that one!

and BTW -- I support CES with financial contributions monthly -- with part of those contributions designated to the sole promotion of the site www.biblicalunitarian.com so that it shows up faster on search engines for those who wish to see the fallacy behind the trinity.

Believer's Trumpet -- I do. If Christ "pre-existed" in one form or other (other than in the fore-knowledge of God, he would be different from you and I, and then could not be a "complete" Saviour, tempted in all points like us. Don't know about you, but I was never "around" before I was born, except perhaps in the foreknowledge of God. I certainly did not pre-exist my birth, and since that is the case (for me), my Saviour could not have been different. If He was to be "just like us", I take that to mean "just like us", without any excuses to the contrary -- spiritual, or physical.

And while you're sleeping tonight, think on this truth -- Sweet dreams.

Good night. -->

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Tref -- how true. Lots of books,ideas out there that vpw never did plagiarize from, that we are discovering now.

When my ex left me, she left all her twi stuff behind. All the magazines I have are in my name, but most of the books etc., were hers. She left 20 years ago, so I guess they are mine now. :D--> Is there a market for those "commemorative" plates from the 35th, and the 40th anniversary?

Shaz -- Thank you!!! :)--> :)--> I have no idea how e-bay works, but a co-worker of mine buys and sells all the time over it. With all the helpful hints here, I'm sure he will know what you all are talking about.