dmiller

I used to hide my thoughts. Did such a good job, I don't know where they are, and can't collect them.

looks like grooming -- grooming to me. -->

if you (as a lady) ever heard Carly Simon (or whoever sang this song) "You make me feel like a NATURAL WOMAN" -- and then said -- "Wow -- what an insult!" ----you might be in a cult.

Oh -- I forgot to mention -- Welcome to GreaseSpot!! :)--> :)--> (You're making waves already!). ;)-->

Wonder1 - amen and amen, yer right! ;)--> But if some one hurt me at work -- and believe me, it has happened, I would expect to at least be able to discuss it with them, and work things out. If I had been a reputable employee, I would expect them to listen to what my concerns were, and not just fly off the handle, and quit. But if that person (employer/whoever) would not listen, or even discuss the problem, then yes -- quitting would be an option, if no constructive dialouge was forthcoming. FYI -- I was never hurt by a person, but rather by the doctrine from twi. And when I decided to question it back in 1985, it was they who told me I was not welcome. In essence, it was they who left me, because I (a person) "hurt them" with my "doubts". I had been a "faithful employee" (if you will) for them from 1975, and it didn't really feel good to be banned from fellowship, once I started asking questions. :(--> As you said (accurately) no one is perfect. My personal story is much more "harmless" than many of those you can read on this site, but I can say with all sincerity (which is no guarantee of truth), that they left me, and not vice versa.

Same with me. I have never heard of those folks. Do they offer something important to our society? --> How far back in American History does one have to go to find "An American Idol Winner"? Tref -- yer answers don't count! :D--> :D-->

Jeff Foxworthy -- MOVE ON OVER! :D--> :D--> :D-->

Bringing this to the top for WaterBuffalo.

WB -- this thread is for the 2nd annual weenie roast. 3rd annual with all the current info is just down the page. ;)--> I'll bring it to the "top" for you. :)-->

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Yes -- and No. And that is my final definitive answer!! ;)-->

and very true...very true.

Congrats!!!!!

Not being mean Tom. It seems a fitting "section of the news" to be placed in. "Death of the Institution of Marriage". :(--> 0000-2004 R.I.P.

Good question, but the answer there is obvious. If you, or I, or anyone were to "pre-exist" before we were actually born and living physically on planet earth, don't you think that we would have a rememberance of that existance? Certainly a "pre-existant man" could have the ability to sin, however the advantage I mentioned would be that they (you, I, whoever), would be able to remember what it was like in our "previous state", and thus be able to refute the sin that tempted, more easily than one who has not "been around the block" in terms of existance. Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus is not God, yet they do teach He was pre-existant, and come up with some pretty lame excuses (imho) about how He convieniantly "forgot" who He was previously.

Two questions -- 1) When is the book "VPW IS GOD" coming out?, and -- 2) Doesn't this belong in the doctrinal forum??

Made the news there, eh? --> I hope it was posted as an obituary.

Oldies -- excellent point imho - I think cruel, disparaging talk about anyone is distasteful (to put it mildly) to Jesus.

JT -- thanks for that link. I took a look at it. According to those folks, there sure is a lot of scheming going on here in the good ole US of A! -->

Yes! Well said! :)-->

Mike -- you shoulda stopped there. :)-->

Good thing she changed the name. Otherwise she might be shoulder-to-shoulder with Pat in litigation! :D-->

Especially so if he were to apply at TBN. But I don't think he has a $1500 theology to match the clothes. :D--> :D-->

Rockin House -- I haven't even thought of cliff notes in years! :D--> Are those things still printed up?

Dan, and Oak -- I get a chance to answer two folks with one post. Will wonders never cease! :D--> After reading your posts (both VERY good, with honest, well-asked questions, and pointed observations), I got to thinking about who Jesus was created like. As Wordwolf just pointed out, Jesus was the 2nd Adam. If Jesus was "a man", it would follow to me that he was created as God intended man to be in the first place. So Oak -- I guess my understanding (definition) of man is going back to the original man, Adam. He was certainly not "pre-existant", yet he was a very real entity once he appeared on the scene. He (Adam) had the choice to not sin, yet he did. He was not pre-existant. Jesus (the 2nd Adam) had the same choice afforded Him, yet He did not sin. If He (Jesus) were pre-existant, wouldn't it make sense that He "had an advantage" over Adam? Honest question here. And Dan -- I guess the "just like us" phrase is not entirely correct. Mabey it should be said "just like Adam", since that is who I believe Jesus was "fashioned" after. But then again, after Adam fell, we became like Adam also. The difference is that Jesus (imho) was made in the likeness of man, before sin entered into the world .